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[Bann Duncan]

Druss99 wrote...

Nah Father Ted is down south Natt. More like this(though it might sound the same to you anyway)...



Its nice seeing the English get uppity about the British thing for a change. It makes a change from angry Scottish and Northern Irish people.

Meh, I live in Scotland and I don't mind if people refer to the whole country as England or Scotland. Synecdoche is an age-old literary element. I don't much see the point in finding it offensive.

That said, I find it rather sad that one sees more European Union flags on buildings in London that one does English flags. I support the Union (by which I mean Great Britain - not the EU) so I am happy to see the Union Jack as well, but the second flag, if there is to be one, should be the local one - not that of the pommes de terre in Bruxelles.

[Bann Duncan]

Autolycus wrote...

Agree with that Bann.....down with the EU.

As for me, it annoys me that so many people are so uneducated (and at the risk of totally derailing this thread, it's mainly Americans)....but also 14 years of a crappy Labour government made it ok to be Scottish, ok to be Welsh, ok to be Irish....but not English...

And that, I do take extreme offense at.

@Duck...

For the record, I was actually born in Bury and come from Bolton (although, not sure thats actually any better lmao).  Support Naaaarwich for other reasons

As much as I agree with you,

1) Political discussion is not allowed here, so we might be banned

2) Calling out the 14 years of decline will bring the socialists out of the woodwork to flame us.

[FlintlockJazz]

vometia wrote...
Byker Grove was set in Byker, wasn't it?  In which case the accents should be of the Geordie persuasion.  I think my sister watched it about 20 years ago but I tried not to pay too much attention.

Anyway, Liverpool's somewhere down south on the other side of the country.

I found the hardest UK accents to understand are Glaswegian and Essex, both of which leave me feeling rather gaffe-prone.

Druss99 wrote...

Thats more of a noise than an accent. It often sounds like talking to a wounded goat over a broken walky talky.

Also I don't remember Byker Grove being in Liverpool, wasn't it Newcastle? Weren't those two creeps who can't appear on TV without each other in it? PJ and Duncan I think they were called.

You guys may be right, can't remember why I thought it was Liverpool, though I have trouble understanding them too so maybe I just grouped them all together (Lister from Red Dwarf rocks though naturally).  Never watched it much myself, along with Eastenders that I had trouble understanding too, so maybe it's just the midlands that talk normally...

[Druss99]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

vometia wrote...
Byker Grove was set in Byker, wasn't it?  In which case the accents should be of the Geordie persuasion.  I think my sister watched it about 20 years ago but I tried not to pay too much attention.

Anyway, Liverpool's somewhere down south on the other side of the country.

I found the hardest UK accents to understand are Glaswegian and Essex, both of which leave me feeling rather gaffe-prone.

Druss99 wrote...

Thats more of a noise than an accent. It often sounds like talking to a wounded goat over a broken walky talky.

Also I don't remember Byker Grove being in Liverpool, wasn't it Newcastle? Weren't those two creeps who can't appear on TV without each other in it? PJ and Duncan I think they were called.

You guys may be right, can't remember why I thought it was Liverpool, though I have trouble understanding them too so maybe I just grouped them all together (Lister from Red Dwarf rocks though naturally).  Never watched it much myself, along with Eastenders that I had trouble understanding too, so maybe it's just the midlands that talk normally...

Ah theres subtle differences. Geordies have a strange rythm when talking and sometimes start out with alot of bass and end up sounding like they have run out of wind by the end of it. Scousers are just making noises that sometimes resemble words. Such as...

[Godak]

As an American penis-wielder, I find that the British family of accents (Irish, English, Welsh, Scottish, and all the regional variants) tend to be quite pleasing to my ear. Heck, almost all accents make me a little happier than simply hearing unaccented American English (which, ironically enough...)

[mousestalker]

Beth yw 'Received Pronunciation' yn Gymraeg? Dderbyniedig yn brefiad?

[vometia]

Druss99 wrote...

Nah Father Ted is down south Natt. More like this(though it might sound the same to you anyway)...

A friend of mine came from your neck of the woods. She couldn't half yell. My ears are still ringing, and I haven't heard her in years.

Celrath wrote...

You know historians think that some American accents are actually closer to Old British accents then the ones in Britain now. Go figure that Americans have been speaking proper English this whole time, though we tried to kill all the extra letters you Brits like to use.

I've heard that one occasionally but I'm not at all convinced: it seems odd that Britain would subsequently develop a bunch of very diverse accents that are related to the areas from where they were settled, e.g. Geordie is said to sound quite similar to Danish and so on. It's a bit like that old chestnut about American spellings supposedly being more authentic than English ones, which has a grain of truth such as the -ize/-ise suffix but is mostly contentious at best.

Druss99 wrote...

Ah theres subtle differences. Geordies have a strange rythm when talking and sometimes start out with alot of bass and end up sounding like they have run out of wind by the end of it.

Cheeky get. What keeps on surprising me is the number of similarities between Geordie and southern Welsh accents; granted, there are differences, but to my ears there seems to be more in common, which I find a difficult one to explain.

[Godak]

vometia wrote...

I've heard that one occasionally but I'm not at all convinced: it seems odd that Britain would subsequently develop a bunch of very diverse accents that are related to the areas from where they were settled, e.g. Geordie is said to sound quite similar to Danish and so on. It's a bit like that old chestnut about American spellings supposedly being more authentic than English ones, which has a grain of truth such as the -ize/-ise suffix but is mostly contentious at best.

Read the link that I've posted. If you still refuse to believe, nothing short of beating (which I'm willing to provide) will convince you.

[Druss99]

vometia wrote...

Druss99 wrote...

Nah Father Ted is down south Natt. More like this(though it might sound the same to you anyway)...

A friend of mine came from your neck of the woods. She couldn't half yell. My ears are still ringing, and I haven't heard her in years.

Druss99 wrote...

Ah theres subtle differences. Geordies have a strange rythm when talking and sometimes start out with alot of bass and end up sounding like they have run out of wind by the end of it.

Cheeky get. What keeps on surprising me is the number of similarities between Geordie and southern Welsh accents; granted, there are differences, but to my ears there seems to be more in common, which I find a difficult one to explain.

Well our national sports are shouting and pipe bombing.

I think Al Murray sums the Geordies up best though...

[vometia]

Godak wrote...

Read the link that I've posted. If you still refuse to believe, nothing short of beating (which I'm willing to provide) will convince you.

I've read the link, but it doesn't make a lot of sense: the British accents that were rhotic still are, and those that aren't probably never were. You'll still hear a lot of trailing "r"s in the West Country, Gloucestershire, Norfolk, and Scotland of course, so it's not true that they've died out, nor is it true that British accents were uniformly rhotic.

Druss99 wrote...

I think Al Murray sums the Geordies up best though...

I'd call him a cheeky get too if only I could understand the bugger...

Edit: I have to admit it's quite amusing though, and probably not unlike the sounds emanating from the final remnants of life around the Quayside in the early hours of a weekend...

Modifié par vometia, 04 avril 2011 - 02:43 .

[RainyDayLover]

Christian Bale accent > both  ()

[Pious_Augustus]

To assume all Americans sound alike is wrong same with the British. You have so many cultures in so many parts of the countries. All the British have a dialect that is harder to understand then someone from India who speaks English.

First India was a British colony for over a hundred years and still till this day the dialect is very, very hard to understand. The British have the Welsh whose English dialect is the hardest to understand in the English language. You think you had a hard time understanding someone who speaks perfect English in India then you obviously never heard of the Welsh.

Here in the states each county, city and often side of the city has its own dialect. Here in Chicago we think we have no accent when we have a thick accent that is often very hard to understand.

The second hardest dialect to understand is those who come from Massachusetts here in the United States. These people have no idea that no one can understand or barely can understand the words coming out of their mouth. Working in Call Centers I have noticed most states don't like to deal with that state for two reasons. One their very Liberal Laws which makes it hard to do business and two you really need someone to sometimes interpret when speaking to them.

Worcester is a town in Massachusetts in Britain and Massachusetts you pronounce it as Wooster. Here in the rest of the United States people see Worcester or Worcestershire Sauce and they pronounce it as Warchester.

Often when you’re from this state you don’t know how hard it is for people to understand you till you leave the state for college or just move.

I used to do Emergency Road Side service and when we had a Massachusetts call we'd often ask quickly if someone who has traveled or lived out of state is there to help because of how hard it is to talk to them. Often times the way they pronounce words you can barely make it out and even numbers sound a little off. So in an Emergency situation we almost have to get them to spell out words with names attached so we can understand.

I remember we had one girl so confused why another operator I used to Manage couldn't understand her and eventually her brother came to the phone and tried to explain to her since he goes to college outside the state it’s hard for people to understand them.
Hands down though the Welsh in Britian have a very thick and hard to understand dialect of the English Lanauage.

However we Americans come in second with MA. Keep in mind though, though India has a easier to understand dialect then those from MA we do share a culture with them and some terms the Indians use often are lost in translation but those who are under English rule might understand.

Modifié par Pious_Augustus, 04 avril 2011 - 03:07 .

[Bann Duncan]

Very strange post.

[Nattfare]

So you mean that American sounds like this?

[Godak]

vometia wrote...

I've read the link, but it doesn't make a lot of sense: the British accents that were rhotic still are, and those that aren't probably never were.

Did you really? It stated fairly clearly that it was only speaking of "normal" British English ('BBC English'), and "normal" American English ('CNN English').

"First, let’s be clear: the terms “British accent” and “American accent”
are oversimplifications; there were, and still are, many
constantly-evolving regional British and American accents. What many
Americans think of as “the British accent” is the standardized Received
Pronunciation, also known as “BBC English.”"

"There are a few fascinating exceptions: New York and Boston accents
became non-rhotic, perhaps because of the region’s British connections
in the post-Revolutionary War era. Irish and Scottish accents are still
rhotic."

EDIT:

Autolycus wrote...

There is no godamn British accent, as it consists of 4 countries.

Britain consists of two countries ('countries' in this case meaning 'sovereign state'), Ireland and the UK.

The UK consists of four countries (in this case, a proprietary term, as they are not recognized as actual sovereign states by international organizations).

Anyway, yeah, there's really no clear cut "British" accent, as Britain is pretty darn diverse.

Modifié par Godak, 04 avril 2011 - 03:13 .

[Cartims]

Hey Pious, cut down on the cawfee, just saying, (Brooklyn accent)