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I boy down to no one!


I never insinutated anywhere that you boyed. What a terrible accusation to make... :crying:

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The typo betrays me! DIE!

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Wait, so did the Internet say my friend is right and that an American guy's accent is never sexy or what?

Judging by the number of marriages between US servicemen and British women during WWII, it would appear that your friend may wish to think about it a bit longer. :lol:

hahaha I think thats true of every war we've been in almost, several soldiers out at bragg come back with Iraqi and Afghan women for brides here lately.


apparently, our armed forces think that it is a grand time to be married during a war. so much for the famous hate aimed at my glorious nation with its shiny mountain of debt visible from space.

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My best friends, UK Friend was down for 5months and his accent was freaking awesome. lol

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Wow...  So, everyone in the English speaking world, who doesn't have a "neutral" American accent, adds - literally adds - an accent to a supposedly base, "neutral" American accent?  And this whole time, whilst growing up in Scotland, I've had this phantom American accent that acts as a scaffold for my current accent?  Does everyone here in Scotland remind themselves to "bring" their Scottish accents with them before they leave their homes?  If they forget, do they magically sound American? :P

Seriously, though, I can almost accept the "no accent" thing as a peculiar, colloquial thing that Americans say - but to take it literally? That's a tad anthropocentric isn't it? :P  


All this arguing about whose accent is the "base" is rather pointless.  British folk will say that there is no "British accent," and act exasperated that anyone could possibly think that there is one.  These same people will then say that there is a generic American accent, despite the much larger population and area of the US.  To the average foreigner, there is not much exposure to the regional dialects of another country for the most part, and much can be forgiven for them not knowing all about them.  Likewise, Americans will lump together British people into one broad accent, but then insist that theirs is the 'base" for the language, and everything else is a dialect.

Also, something I've noticed is that when several different British bands sing, they lose the British accent.  Curious.

Oh, and the word you were likely looking for is "ethnocentric."  It involves an observer from one culture failing to recognize that another culture is not the same, judging the people of the foreign culture by his/her own culture's standards.

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Oregonian accents do not exist. I am devoid of an accent unless I throw my voice to sound evil in a cheesy way.


Exactly our speech is just normal and plain and boreing. THough I like how pronouncing our state's name has become the joke of the nation. 


This is such a peculiar American thing... Do you guys reckon that if I "scrub" my accent off, I'll end up sounding like you guys?? :P

P.s. Oregon is one of my favourite places in the world *high-5*


Why do you like my homestate? why do all the people with more history like my small and unappealing state? WHY?! I live with the pain......agony........of being unjustly accused of being a liberal. I am a moderate conservative. However, the Shield's a metaphor. It is in us all.

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Wicked 702 wrote...

The typo betrays me! DIE!


You'll have to kill me first! :ph34r:

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I love all kinds of accents. I worked for a Convergys Call Center for a couple of years and I'd get people callin' with Russian, Jamaican, Asian accents. The Russian and British accents were the sexiest... oh man, I'd string out those calls at least 2 to 3 times longer than they should've been (although I would help them with their issues, mind you). But damn, sexiest 15 to 20 minutes ever.

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To help you out with the survey here: I'm a female who finds men with a British accent hot. I <3 Jamie Bamber even more now that I've heard him on L&O: UK.

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wizardryforever wrote...

All this arguing about whose accent is the "base" is rather pointless.  British folk will say that there is no "British accent," and act exasperated that anyone could possibly think that there is one.  These same people will then say that there is a generic American accent, despite the much larger population and area of the US.  To the average foreigner, there is not much exposure to the regional dialects of another country for the most part, and much can be forgiven for them not knowing all about them.  Likewise, Americans will lump together British people into one broad accent, but then insist that theirs is the 'base" for the language, and everything else is a dialect.

Also, something I've noticed is that when several different British bands sing, they lose the British accent.  Curious.

Oh, and the word you were likely looking for is "ethnocentric."  It involves an observer from one culture failing to recognize that another culture is not the same, judging the people of the foreign culture by his/her own culture's standards.

You even get it within the same country: once I'd moved away from my native Newcastle to near London, virtually every day I'd get someone lecturing me about how I had an accent and they didn't.  It was amusingly bizarre at first but got really quite annoying after a while.  Especially when it really was every day for years on end, and some people tended to be quite rude.

I think the oddest thing was an American telling me that as a non-American, I didn't speak English.  No matter that I actually am English, born in an English town, taught English by English parents, then by an English Language teacher from England in an English school and I've lived in England all my life: still not good enough.  He eventually conceded that I could say I spoke British English, but not English.  He may have been kidding me, but there was no sign that he wasn't absolutely serious.  The Fail was strong in that one.

As for bands, I've noticed a lot of singers' accents seem to become difficult to make out when they're in full-flow.  I've heard a few people comment that British singers sing with an American accent but other than a small number of cases where it's a deliberate stylistic thing, I disagree; but it is a curious thing.

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So they didn't like it when you said things like "Why aye, that's very canny ye knaa man."

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Nattfare wrote...

So they didn't like it when you said things like "Why aye, that's very canny ye knaa man."

I'd never say that: it's "geet canny".  Y'knaa. :P

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I stand corrected.

Uh I mean...... Howay lass, you can't expect me to talk proper Geordie when I'm not even a native English speaker.

Modifié par Nattfare, 05 avril 2011 - 10:40 .


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AwesomeName wrote...

Wow...  So, everyone in the English speaking world, who doesn't have a "neutral" American accent, adds - literally adds - an accent to a supposedly base, "neutral" American accent?  And this whole time, whilst growing up in Scotland, I've had this phantom American accent that acts as a scaffold for my current accent?  Does everyone here in Scotland remind themselves to "bring" their Scottish accents with them before they leave their homes?  If they forget, do they magically sound American? :P

Seriously, though, I can almost accept the "no accent" thing as a peculiar, colloquial thing that Americans say - but to take it literally? That's a tad anthropocentric isn't it? :P  


All this arguing about whose accent is the "base" is rather pointless.  British folk will say that there is no "British accent," and act exasperated that anyone could possibly think that there is one.  These same people will then say that there is a generic American accent, despite the much larger population and area of the US.  To the average foreigner, there is not much exposure to the regional dialects of another country for the most part, and much can be forgiven for them not knowing all about them.  Likewise, Americans will lump together British people into one broad accent, but then insist that theirs is the 'base" for the language, and everything else is a dialect.

Also, something I've noticed is that when several different British bands sing, they lose the British accent.  Curious.

Oh, and the word you were likely looking for is "ethnocentric."  It involves an observer from one culture failing to recognize that another culture is not the same, judging the people of the foreign culture by his/her own culture's standards.


Well, personally, I don't think there is such a thing as a base accent - that's my argument, in case it's not clear.

I've never quite understood why people insist on arguing that there is no such thing as "the" [British/American] accent when someone commits the most heinous crime that a person has "A" [British/American] accent.  Not all Brits/Americans think like this - I don't know if the ones that do are just suffering a trip-up in semantics or just too eager to see something wrong.  To me, if a foreigner says something like, "Sean Connery has A British accent", I accept that.  Because Scotland is a part of... dun dun dun... Britain.  So it's technically true.  Just like cyan is blue, and navy is blue, but they're not the same blue, etc... 

Cheers for the word correction :)  *TRIES to make a mental note*

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I know (from studying Acting so many years) that there are Standard American and British accents but only from a Technical standpoint...it's like a Catalog of sounds that's really only used to clear sounds from one's speech or as a "jumping off" point when developing an Accent to be used in Performance.
In real life, there is no such thing...everyone has some type of accent they just never hear their own.
Personally, I'm most perplexed by Cajin accents...the few folks I've run into with accents that fit in that group have been almost impossible for me to understand Image IPB 
It's such an unusual mixture of sounds from other Accents all mushed together.

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This is such a peculiar American thing... Do you guys reckon that if I "scrub" my accent off, I'll end up sounding like you guys?? :P

P.s. Oregon is one of my favourite places in the world *high-5*

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Why do you like my homestate? why do all the people with more history like my small and unappealing state? WHY?! I live with the pain......agony........of being unjustly accused of being a liberal. I am a moderate conservative. However, the Shield's a metaphor. It is in us all.


Haha, I LOVE the grungy/liberal vibe (socially, I'm VERY liberal; fiscally, I'm probably more moderate... wherever that line is drawn).  And BELIEVE me when I say that more history does not necessarily = more culture.  It's a cultural desert where I live.  When I last visited, Portland/Oregon had loads of random, independant stores, loads of art (not to mention one of the best tattoo artists on the flipping planet, imho)... BUT the best things are easily the amazing scenery -- AMAZING -- and the overall very chilled vibe of the place :happy:.  Only thing I missed out on was the music :(...

Back on-topic: I will say that hardly anyone commented on my accent when I was in the States - but then mine is completely muddled.  Apparently British accents are much loved in America... or at least the ones that they've probably heard already - I can't imagine anyone thinking an Aberdonian twang is sexy :/

As for american accents over here... Yeah if you're good looking and sound like Sawyer from Lost (what accent is that?) then you'll have women all over you like a pack of wolves :P... For the most part, people here are probably indifferent to most American accents because we are so bombarded with American TV and film.  On the other end of the spectrum *some* Brits find a lot of American accents annoying (I think that might be a cultural preservation thing?) :(

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Back on-topic: I will say that hardly anyone commented on my accent when I was in the States - but then mine is completely muddled.  Apparently British accents are much loved in America... or at least the ones that they've probably heard already - I can't imagine anyone thinking an Aberdonian twang is sexy :/


Yes, indeed. When I lived in Los Angeles, my accent was a HUGE deal, evoking an "OH MY GOD, YOU'RE BRITISH!" reaction. I think being British over there automatically makes you endearing/attractive. 

As for american accents over here... Yeah if you're good looking and sound like Sawyer from Lost (what accent is that?) then you'll have women all over you like a pack of wolves :P... For the most part, people here are probably indifferent to most American accents because we are so bombarded with American TV and film.  On the other end of the spectrum *some* Brits find a lot of American accents annoying (I think that might be a cultural preservation thing?) :(


I almost have zero interest in an american accent, but as I said before, it depends on the guy... maybe... :?

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Ey up.
Ow do.
Owt up.
Nowt.
See thee.
Ta ra.

Ah the lyrical poetry of the bards tongue spoken by the eloquent sons of barnsley, such labyrinthine wordplay cannot be found beyond the south riding.

Wot thy on about tha bloody cabbage.

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Ah the lyrical poetry of the bards tongue spoken by the eloquent sons of barnsley, such labyrinthine wordplay cannot be found beyond the south riding.

Wot thy on about tha bloody cabbage.

The thing I love about Yorkshire folk is the way that every syllable is emphasised by a prod in the chest.  Just in case you missed the bellowing voice. :lol:

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Bashful by nature we strive to overcome our innate shyness through bloodymindedness and stubborn ignorance.

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Yes, indeed. When I lived in Los Angeles, my accent was a HUGE deal, evoking an "OH MY GOD, YOU'RE BRITISH!" reaction. I think being British over there automatically makes you endearing/attractive.


I don't think thats true generally speaking.....unless you're already physically attractive..  Some English accents like the one from Liverpool, are not only difficult to understand for an American, but it doesn't sound particularly flattering at all.


I almost have zero interest in an american accent, but as I said before, it depends on the guy... maybe... :?


Yeah it really depends on the person.  Accents at the most can only heighten someone's curiousity or interest in you, but it cannot create it in and of itself I think..

Back in younger days I was out in Vegas once at a strip club and one of the strippers who happened to be from Australia told me,"How you'd like to get a lap dance from a real Australian woman."

She wasn't particularly good looking as far as strippers go, so I had to give her my best you gotta be kidding me look Image IPB

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blothulfur wrote...

Bashful by nature we strive to overcome our innate shyness through bloodymindedness and stubborn ignorance.


I like it when Yorkshire people go forth into the world and force it to bend to their Yorkshire ways. Mick McCarthy is out there as a lone beacon of simple mindedness in a world of hyperbole and nonesense. You can't see it but just off camera he's got a greyhound on a leash and his flatcap in his hand.



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What did he say? Huh?

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I've said it before and i'll say it again the only way to make sure you talk sense is to keep a ferrett down your trousers all day otherwise you turn daft.

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Hey Pious, cut down on the cawfee, just sayin' (Brooklyn accent)


Fix'd. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]


Pff. Yuh dunno what ya tawkin' abowwt. 

Also, that accent has totally leaked into Queens. 

And if DA3 features that accent, I will cry and never play the game again. It's not sexy to anyone


I see your claim and raise you 1990s Stacie Dash.


wizardryforever wrote...

All this arguing about whose accent is the "base" is rather pointless.  British folk will say that there is no "British accent," and act exasperated that anyone could possibly think that there is one.  These same people will then say that there is a generic American accent, despite the much larger population and area of the US.  To the average foreigner, there is not much exposure to the regional dialects of another country for the most part, and much can be forgiven for them not knowing all about them.  Likewise, Americans will lump together British people into one broad accent, but then insist that theirs is the 'base" for the language, and everything else is a dialect. 


Eh. As someone who lives in both the UK and the US, I share the belief that there is, in fact, a generic American accent that you hear in pretty much every suburb across the country while such a thing is not really found in Britain. I can take the train from Edinburgh to Glasgow (one hour) and find a completely different accent at the other end. If I go an hour south to Newcastle, the same thing will happen and so on.

Not so in the US. I can go from DC to Baltimore to Philadelphia (where there used to be an accent, but it has all but died out) In fact, with the hipster/suburbanite invasion, even my beloved Queens has that generic suburban accent, as does Brooklyn. :(