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[Arbalest7]

 When Hawke is given the option to rage at Aveline for Ma Hawke's death it is presented as angry venting about "as a Guardsman you should have done something!" rather than pointing out the fact that Aveline had blew off Emeric for years and never bothered to check up on that warehouse with the severed remains of victims we discovered three years ago. Also after Gascard spells out the existence of the Lily Killer and Emeric is murdered she does nothing about it. Between this and the crime rate it makes me laugh whenever she takes "pride' in her job.  

Modifié par Arbalest7, 04 avril 2011 - 12:54 .

[Lord Gremlin]

I wanted an option to hug LI and cry.

[Shadowrun1177]

I thought the whole thing was fine, I mean there's only a limit on what they can do opinion's wise for reactions. Yes I can see where your coming from but not annoyed cause I realize there's a limit to what Bioware can do for reactions cause it's a game.

[Talladarr]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

I wanted an option to hug LI and cry.

^^
this

[ejoslin]

I was expecting the, "It's your fault," to be about how she did blow off the investigation (though she did have reason). I mean, it's not reasonable to expect a guardsman to be in all places, but that wasn't even what I was thinking when I selected that choice So yes, I was another person who was annoyed that the conversation wasn't more about how Aveline just didn't believe Emeric.

Modifié par ejoslin, 03 avril 2011 - 11:42 .

[The Angry One]

Well let's see, the guard didn't do a thorough search of the foundry to find the obvious trap door to the killer's lair so yes, incompetence.

Okay since it's invisible to you in Act 1 let's assume it's magically concealed. Since human body parts were found there in a suspicious bag, instead of dismissing them as scavangers (what an incredibly STUPID thing to do), petition the Circle for a mage to come investigate the place with magic.. I'm sure there are ways to undo magic invisibility spells or whatever. Emeric would no doubt help with that.

Talladarr wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

I wanted an option to hug LI and cry.

^^
this

Thirded.

[stobie]

That was one place where I wished I could have had a few more options. (another is when you first have to put off or accept Anders's flirt - you REALLY should have an option there to bow out gracefully. You did, as I recall, with Zevran. You either say, "No, UGH! Why would you EVER think I could be interested in all your cute blond well-builtness??? Puke!" or "Sure! Do it now!" I felt horrible. (I do the sarcastic comments prior to that now, so he doesn't ask. Geez! I hate that kind of thing - I certainly learned how to politely evade in real life! My Hawke should get the chance too!)

[The Angry One]

That's the problem with the Mass Effect wheel, dialog will always be more limited and you're never sure exactly what you're going to say. There's often a huge disconnect with the phrase on the wheel and what comes out of Hawke's mouth.

[ejoslin]

The Angry One wrote...

That's the problem with the Mass Effect wheel, dialog will always be more limited and you're never sure exactly what you're going to say. There's often a huge disconnect with the phrase on the wheel and what comes out of Hawke's mouth.

What, you mean that the dialog wheel selection, "don't go," doesn't naturally make you think Hawke is going to say, "shut up"?

Though I like that particular scene (I do, it's sexy), there are plenty of times I can think of where the dialog has made me cringe because that is NOT what I thought would be said.

[stobie]

Too true. I pick what sounds right, & find myself uttering something horrific. I also disliked intensely the various flirts, that sound ok in print, and come out in this leering way.

Don't go, however, was my favorite romantic scene. Fenris. Sigh.

[ejoslin]

stobie wrote...

Too true. I pick what sounds right, & find myself uttering something horrific. I also disliked intensely the various flirts, that sound ok in print, and come out in this leering way.

Don't go, however, was my favorite romantic scene. Fenris. Sigh.

That scene was awesome.  And "shut up" works there (as do the other two responses).  Acually, I don't really care what Hawke says there as long as Fenris stays  But there was one with Sebastion that I actually wanted to slap Hawke, it was so horrible and actually so far from what the paraphrase was.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

When I was playing Angry Hawke I enjoyed these dialogue options for Aveline. I thought it fit perfectly for my character.

For another, I might not have been so impressed. But yeah, there are a few places then the paraphrases sort of...aren't what you wanted to say, and end up putting unwanted words in your mouth.

[stobie]

ejoslin wrote...

stobie wrote...

Too true. I pick what sounds right, & find myself uttering something horrific. I also disliked intensely the various flirts, that sound ok in print, and come out in this leering way.

Don't go, however, was my favorite romantic scene. Fenris. Sigh.

That scene was awesome.  And "shut up" works there (as do the other two responses).  Acually, I don't really care what Hawke says there as long as Fenris stays  But there was one with Sebastion that I actually wanted to slap Hawke, it was so horrible and actually so far from what the paraphrase was.

Same, same!  I keep trying to do an Anders romance, but my girls fall for Fenris every time.  There's one scene when you say you care about him, and he slightly turns back and almost smiles.  That just kills me.  I trust we'll learn one day that he's Zevran's long lost cousin.

There are a few with Merrill that come out completely wrong - not at all what I intended.  There are a few times that I strongly wish for another option -  the Anders first flirt one, for one.  But with Merrill, I wanted to say, I'll agree because you're my friend, but I'm worried about you.  That kind of thing - not, "Sure! Get that demon!" or "NO! Die in a fire, witch!"


I should add - most of my girl's flirts were great, some really tender. I think it's the early ones that can seem kind of smarmy.  Later on, they're beautiful.  There's a great one when you get to forgive Fenris - I loved me there!

Modifié par stobie, 04 avril 2011 - 12:25 .

[Cavalier753]

Wow, this thread got off-track quick.

[ToJKa1]

Well, like the dialogue wheel paraphareses, the title was misleading

Haven't tried the blaming option yet, but i assumed it was dismissing Emeric's investigation. Still, my characters are more likely to blame themselves. There are many dialogue and quest solution options in every RPG that i will never use, this may well be one of them.

Modifié par ToJKa1, 04 avril 2011 - 12:51 .

[stobie]

I remember the blaming option - I would have to hit myself for that one. When the mother blames *you* for Bethany/Carver's death, I thought she was a miserable hag. I don't think *that* trait should be passed down to me.

[Vormaerin]

The Angry One wrote...

Well let's see, the guard didn't do a thorough search of the foundry to find the obvious trap door to the killer's lair so yes, incompetence.

Okay since it's invisible to you in Act 1 let's assume it's magically concealed. Since human body parts were found there in a suspicious bag, instead of dismissing them as scavangers (what an incredibly STUPID thing to do), petition the Circle for a mage to come investigate the place with magic.. I'm sure there are ways to undo magic invisibility spells or whatever. Emeric would no doubt help with that.

You couldn't find the trap door either, so I hardly think its fair to blame the guard for that.  

And Emeric was a nutcase.   Yes, there was a killer out there, but his story was that the killer was behind every disappearance in the city for the last several years.  Avelline's response was "of course there's a killer out there.  There's a bunch of killers out there.  Find me some evidence that actually links someone to something and I'll do something."   The only thing Emeric found out in years was a vague  "DuPruis knows something, I think."  He didn't know about the lilies, he didn't know about the age range of the real victims.  He didn't know squat.    He demanded that Aveline "prove that man was innocent".   Typical Templar thinking.  Bah.

As for getting a wizard to investigate the remains.... 1)  Hawke's party has wizards to do so and found nothing.    2) Avelline complains rather bitterly that the Templars won't let any mages help the Guard in another dialogue, so that wasn't an option.

[Arbalest7]

stobie wrote...

I remember the blaming option - I would have to hit myself for that one. When the mother blames *you* for Bethany/Carver's death, I thought she was a miserable hag. I don't think *that* trait should be passed down to me.

Look, I did actually blame myself with LI and Gamlen, Hawke was a moron (I love how non-chalant the delivery is when Hawke first brings up the Lily Killer with Gamlen) but that doesn't change the fact a lot of people died because of Aveline and the Guard's incompetence.

[stobie]

Wasn't it Meredith who ordered the case closed?

I had my hawkes blame themselves for their mother's death (though in fairness, I think it was her own fault for going off with the guy, wounded or not) Bethany/Carver, however, was no one's fault, and the mother blaming her other child is just soooo wrong.

[Vormaerin]

Arbalest7 wrote...

the fact a lot of people died because of Aveline and the Guard's incompetence.

What incompetence is that, exactly?

[Vormaerin]

stobie wrote...

Wasn't it Meredith who ordered the case closed?
.

Emeric was a tin foil hat wearing loon and was rightly slapped down by everyone.  The *only* thing he was right about was that there was a killer somewhere.  He had no clues that actually led anywhere near the killer.   The guards did investigate DuPruis, but since he wasn't the killer they obviously failed to find any evidence of his guilt.

[Arbalest7]

Vormaerin wrote...

And Emeric was a nutcase.   Yes, there was a killer out there, but his story was that the killer was behind every disappearance in the city for the last several years.  Avelline's response was "of course there's a killer out there.  There's a bunch of killers out there.  Find me some evidence that actually links someone to something and I'll do something."   The only thing Emeric found out in years was a vague  "DuPruis knows something, I think."  He didn't know about the lilies, he didn't know about the age range of the real victims.  He didn't know squat.    He demanded that Aveline "prove that man was innocent".   Typical Templar thinking.  Bah.

Except he was right, also we never actually so any of Emeric's evidence so how do you know he was really stretching? Besides if you have reason to believe there is a serial killer it's better to err on the side of caution. Anyways I was thinking more after you meet DuPuis and you confirmed both the killer's existence and MO and nothing was done. How but even a flier urging caution and to notify the Guard if you mysteriously receive white lilies? 

[Icy Magebane]

Vormaerin wrote...

stobie wrote...

Wasn't it Meredith who ordered the case closed?
.

Emeric was a tin foil hat wearing loon and was rightly slapped down by everyone.  The *only* thing he was right about was that there was a killer somewhere.  He had no clues that actually led anywhere near the killer.   The guards did investigate DuPruis, but since he wasn't the killer they obviously failed to find any evidence of his guilt.

Several women were murdered, all of whom recieved white lilies from an unknown suitor before disappearing.  It seems pretty obvious to me that the events are connected.  As for DuPuis, well he was investigating Quentin, so he was at least involved in the case.  Not only that, he was a blood mage and Quentin's apprentice!  Short of actually solving the case, I don't see how Emeric did anything wrong.

If anything, Aveline is to blame... she claimed that she would have the guard follow up on it, and she was at the Foundary (in some playthroughs) when the remains were found.  Between that and the demons, I don't see how she could then later dismiss it as unrelated and then claim (very strongly) that Emeric was a crackpot.

Whatever... by now, we all know that Bioware cut something out to make the death inevitable.  Let's not go crazy blaming the characters when at least part of their lines, reactions, or whatever were removed, and probably not replaced by anything.  That's the only reason this all seems so implausible.

Modifié par Icy Magebane, 04 avril 2011 - 01:21 .