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[Kyriani Agrivar]

I've been thinking about this a bit... the scene with Karl specifically. I know it was only temporary and Anders didn't believe he could actually restore a Tranquil mage but I wonder if with some time and research he couldn't find a way. his unique situation with Justice affords him abilities and opportunities most mages don't have.

In some ways persuing this line of research could be a way for Anders to atone for blowing up the Chantry and at the same time bolster the mage side of the conflict.

It certainly seems like it could be an interesting idea to explore in the story.

[silver-crescent]

That is indeed interesting. However I doubt it would be possible, and even then the chances of that storyline being pursued are about 0 anyway. I doubt Anders will be up to much in future instalments.

[Dasha Dreyson]

I think the only way is to force a possession on a tranquil. The demon/spirit would be sort of like a prosthetic limb unless it did the whole taking over the person thing that they seem to like to do.

[TJPags]

Dasha Dreyson wrote...

I think the only way is to force a possession on a tranquil. The demon/spirit would be sort of like a prosthetic limb unless it did the whole taking over the person thing that they seem to like to do.

That might actually work.  Not sure it would be helpful at all, but would be interesting as an experiment.

I also agree, Anders will have 0 involvement in future episodes.

Well, unless they retcon his death.  Which I hope never happens.

[Lord Gremlin]

TJPags wrote...

Dasha Dreyson wrote...

I think the only way is to force a possession on a tranquil. The demon/spirit would be sort of like a prosthetic limb unless it did the whole taking over the person thing that they seem to like to do.

That might actually work.  Not sure it would be helpful at all, but would be interesting as an experiment.

I also agree, Anders will have 0 involvement in future episodes.

Well, unless they retcon his death.  Which I hope never happens.

I think you don't have an option to decapitiate or burn Anders - which are the only ways to kill him. As Bioware mentioned in his biography, a Grey Warden stabbed him with a sword and that was nothing, because he's no longer a mortal man.

[silver-crescent]

They did say if you choose to kill him at the end of DA2 he stays dead.

I wouldn't be surprised if if you let him live he makes a cameo later on, but it'll never be anything significative.

[TJPags]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Dasha Dreyson wrote...

I think the only way is to force a possession on a tranquil. The demon/spirit would be sort of like a prosthetic limb unless it did the whole taking over the person thing that they seem to like to do.

That might actually work.  Not sure it would be helpful at all, but would be interesting as an experiment.

I also agree, Anders will have 0 involvement in future episodes.

Well, unless they retcon his death.  Which I hope never happens.

I think you don't have an option to decapitiate or burn Anders - which are the only ways to kill him. As Bioware mentioned in his biography, a Grey Warden stabbed him with a sword and that was nothing, because he's no longer a mortal man.

Is that story actually supposed to be canon?  I took it simply as a "what if" kind of thing.

It actually screws the timeline up a lot more than DA2 does already.

For those reasons, I'd discounted it as important . . . .

[Foolsfolly]

I actually thought about it and....what if Anders or another Abomination did the whole Justice thing in front of a tranquil and then quickly had a demon possess the mage?

Wouldn't that undo the tranquility? Since Anders' action more less opened a window into the mage couldn't anything fly in...especially if you plan it in advance?

Give a tranquil mage as an offering to a Rage Demon and watch the fun as the previously tranquiled mage goes nuts on every Templar around.

[The Angry One]

In the circle tower in Ferelden in DA:O, there were Tranquils being turned into abominations by a demon were there not?

Modifié par The Angry One, 03 avril 2011 - 11:15 .

[Lord Gremlin]

Foolsfolly wrote...

I actually thought about it and....what if Anders or another Abomination did the whole Justice thing in front of a tranquil and then quickly had a demon possess the mage?

Wouldn't that undo the tranquility? Since Anders' action more less opened a window into the mage couldn't anything fly in...especially if you plan it in advance?

Give a tranquil mage as an offering to a Rage Demon and watch the fun as the previously tranquiled mage goes nuts on every Templar around.

It won't undo the tranquility. Instead you'll get the demon a fine human body, that is his own. Normally demon share the body with original owner, suppressing him. But a tranquil is an empty husk, ready to in inhabited. Too bad normally demon can't get there, since connection with Fade is absent.

[Foolsfolly]

The Angry One wrote...

In the circle tower in Ferelden in DA:O, there were Tranquils being turned into abominations by a demon were there not?

Were there? I thought they were just mages.

...huh.

[Kyriani Agrivar]

While I don't believe Anders would ever release demons into another person something occurred in that scene with Karl. If only briefly, Anders somehow restored Karl's connection to Fade. I was just wondering what would happen if he learned how to actually do it on purpose and possibly make it permanent. The fact that he likely wont appear in future DA games just because which way his story can end in DA2 probably kills the idea as was mentioned before but it's definitely something interesting to think about.

Consider that perhaps even a mage without a spirit within them could possible do the same thing Anders did? Or even a mage with a spirit like Wynne? And who knows what Flemeth is... she could probably do it right now considering her vast years of experience.

Modifié par Kyriani Agrivar, 03 avril 2011 - 11:54 .

[Trophonius]

There was one tranquil I recall from the third floor of the Circle. The room was crawling with abominations and rage demons, but she was only listlessly standing there.

As for Anders restoring a tranquil mage permanently: I don't think so. He believes there's no sure fire way of curing tranquility. Once it's been performed, it's no longer reversible. Even if Justice opened up an entrance back into the Fade, it's probably not strong enough to sustain the connection.

[Babi]

What about a tranquil being sent into the fade like in the Night Terrors quest?

[Babi]

If only someone had said something dramatic enough to attain Gaider's attention. QQ

I accuse all tranquil to be akin to slaves and it's racist. There. I said it. BAM!

[Sarielle]

Weird. Didn't know this thread existed, and we'd started talking about that here, lol.

My opinion is that it's not as permanent as people say. I'm not sure anyone would ever bother to research it who actually has the means to research it, but yeah.

Modifié par Sarielle, 08 avril 2011 - 03:43 .

[Raiil]

DG confirmed that if you murderknife Anders, he's dead. Deceased. Ceased to be. Etc.

While I don't think Anders could bring a tranquil back to life permanently, as it were, I wouldn't discount the possibility of a fade spirit existing in the real world being able to. If just being in the presence of someone actively 'using' a fade spirit or the like was enough, spirit healing would be bringing tranquil back all the time, and I'm sure the templars would have figured it out by now.

I hazard that the unique situation that Anders/Justice shares might be enough to bring someone back from the mental lobotomy.

[Mnemnosyne]

The Angry One wrote...

In the circle tower in Ferelden in DA:O, there were Tranquils being turned into abominations by a demon were there not?

No.  Shades were appearing in their place.  The tranquil would either die or vanish, and a shade, not an abomination, would appear.  In this case, it seemed as though the death of the tranquil was being used to allow a demon to come through the veil.

[The Angry One]

Koyasha wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

In the circle tower in Ferelden in DA:O, there were Tranquils being turned into abominations by a demon were there not?

No.  Shades were appearing in their place.  The tranquil would either die or vanish, and a shade, not an abomination, would appear.  In this case, it seemed as though the death of the tranquil was being used to allow a demon to come through the veil.

Oh I see.
Mind you, doesn't that Templar that Cullen is after in Act 1 turn into a Shade?
Might still be a case of forced possession, albiet the kind that can happen to any mundane.

[Giggles_Manically]

A shade is a demon not in physical form though.

[The Angry One]

thurmanator692 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Koyasha wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

In the circle tower in Ferelden in DA:O, there were Tranquils being turned into abominations by a demon were there not?

No.  Shades were appearing in their place.  The tranquil would either die or vanish, and a shade, not an abomination, would appear.  In this case, it seemed as though the death of the tranquil was being used to allow a demon to come through the veil.

Oh I see.
Mind you, doesn't that Templar that Cullen is after in Act 1 turn into a Shade?
Might still be a case of forced possession, albiet the kind that can happen to any mundane.

Yeah, i noticed this too, I thought a shade was a weak demon outside the fade without a body to posses?
I guess they didn't want to design an abomination that didnt wear tatered mage robes lol

Yeah there is that.
Perhaps taking the body of a non-mage or tranquil weakens the demon so much that the body gives up and the demon is left with no body and in a shade state.
Flimsy reasoning I know.

[sth128]

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