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PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

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I don't care about the so called "RPG Community". Which of them anyway? There are hundreds. :whistle:


While you may not care other people do. Reviewers certainly cared when they slammed DA2 hard. Consummers certainly cared when they did the same.

If you want to ignore the evidence, that's fine. But you can't really use that as basis for a dissusion.


The reviews I read for DAII were fine, none of them slammed DAII at all. And again, I don't CARE about reviews, positive or negative. I care about my OWN opinion and do not jump on bandwagons.

I couldn't care less for consumer reviews for the same reasons.

"Evidence" for what? Why this effin' NEED to prove your agenda? This is a GAME!!! Just a bloody game, not the end of the world as we know it. Melodrama......always melodrama!


If you dont care about reviews then why read them? Obviously you didnt read them all either way.  It seems like you have an agenda of defending every thing BioWare does for some reason, none of your posts are ever subjective or impartial, why is that?


To be honest I've noticed that as well although I haven't seen that many posts of him/her


Her. As for the rest, see my response above.

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most of the reviews ive read have all put DA 2 in the very good category. they have all the same complaints. recycled maps, empty city, etc etc. but by and large most give it around 8/10.

thats not exactly slamming it. just because they mention the same negatives doesnt mean they hated the game too.

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Night Prowler76 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

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BobSmith101 wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

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DA2 dragged the DA IP through the dirt. It's dellusional to think otherwise.


Ah, hyperbole and mass generalization, how I've missed you.


Feel free to prove otherwise.


Yeah, Bob, I would, but I - like most serious people - am not in the business of trying to prove a negative.

Jeez. I'd think I was infallible all the time if all I did was argue with myself. Or walls. Plenty of walls available.


Funny when all the evidence points the other way
lowest rated Bioware game ever - check.
Reviews sub 5 check.
First patch of 100+ bug fixes - check.
Price reduction after 3 weeks -check.

You can make all the excuses you like but if you can't counter that, your just blowing hot air.




It is NOT the lowest rated Bioware game ever.

Skewed User Ratings....OMG, that never happened before!

Second patch contains 100+ fixes, not fixes for +100 bugs. And hey, BG had about 500 bugs+, with the Fixpack (A Mod) fixing over 120 alone.

Price reduction happens to all titles pretty quickly, esp. on Amazon. Means nothing at all.


He was referring to user and CRITIC ratings.  Bad reviews on behalf of users do not make them skewed, if they got alot of high scores, you of all people would be praising it and saying ZOMG LOOK AT THE AWESOME SCORES ITS GETTING!!!! THATS PROOOOOOF!

Thanks for pointing out BioWare releases bug ridden games and this is just normal and acceptable, you are really helping your case.

Price reductions DO NOT HAPPEN TO ALL TITLES in the beginning months, this is just a false statement entirely.


The user ratings are skewed. Dance around it all you like, that's a fact.

And don't presume to know me well enough to predict my actions. I don't have to prove anything, you know? Many games I love have positively skewed ratings (Users as well as critics) and I'll admit to that. (ME2 for example, oh my!) Is THIS what this is all about? "Proving" something? Proving that you are "right" and everyone who disagrees is wrong? Because Metracritic (Or Troll Haven) said so? Puleeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaze!

Patches with 100 fixes (Not all of them bugs) are an every day event. Just the sober truth. 

And yes, the reductions happen to pretty much all titles. Sales amongst other things cause them. It means nothing.


I like how you state your opinion as fact, it almost makes you seem like you are correct, even when you are not on most things.

So first it was EVERY title, not its pretty much every title hahaha, you should make up your mind and stick with what you you say in the first place instead of back peddling when you get called out on it, in case you didnt know BioWare even said go to METACRITIC to get a good gauge of the game hahaha, I wish I could live life with blinders on like some of you guys, it would be grand.


Everyone states their opinions as facts here, haven't you noticed? ;)

Not back peddling at all as I haven't religiously watched EVERY game ever released. Have you?

And why should Bioware influence my opinion on the Troll Land known as Metacritic? It's the last place I'd recommend to get a gauge of anything.

Now can we stop the personal attacks?:bandit:

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Persephone wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Persephone wrote...
I don't care about the so called "RPG Community". Which of them anyway? There are hundreds. :whistle:


While you may not care other people do. Reviewers certainly cared when they slammed DA2 hard. Consummers certainly cared when they did the same.

If you want to ignore the evidence, that's fine. But you can't really use that as basis for a dissusion.


The reviews I read for DAII were fine, none of them slammed DAII at all. And again, I don't CARE about reviews, positive or negative. I care about my OWN opinion and do not jump on bandwagons.

I couldn't care less for consumer reviews for the same reasons.

"Evidence" for what? Why this effin' NEED to prove your agenda? This is a GAME!!! Just a bloody game, not the end of the world as we know it. Melodrama......always melodrama!


If you dont care about reviews then why read them? Obviously you didnt read them all either way.  It seems like you have an agenda of defending every thing BioWare does for some reason, none of your posts are ever subjective or impartial, why is that?


To be honest I've noticed that as well although I haven't seen that many posts of him/her


Her. As for the rest, see my response above.


My apologies Posted Image, like I said haven't seen a lot of your posts but you do seem to be pretty pro-bioware which isn't a problem, as at least you seem to try to state your opinions respectfully unlike some others. I like the game myself but I won't defend bioware on there problems wih DA2 or give them excuses. JMO.

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Dragoonlordz wrote...

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Yeah, Bob has a way of doing that to people. It's like playing Tennis with someone who always serves rocks. You try to deal with it at first the best you can, but eventually it's like WHAT THE CHRISTMAS!?!

Which is sad cuz when Bob wants to, he can dole out some pretty good arguments.


Keep personal attacks out of thread as much as possible if not going to add to the topic itself it comes across as a vendetta. I don't like having to constantly try to keep the thread from derailing or moderate it instead of being able to discuss with people the topic itself but that's what I'm being forced to do because of some people here.


Your whole topic is technically a personal attack except that person cant defend himself and FYI, you're neither a mod nor an 'owner' of this topic so please, knock it off with the armchair moderator trip? You cant force anyone into doing anything here, stop deluding yourself.

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Serpieri Nei wrote...
They were made post launch because they removed the ability to change armors.


Did you actually play the game? Because the ability to change armors was in ME2 from launch. Every character got two outfits. The second unlocked after their personal quests.

The Alternate Appearance sets added a third costume to six of the characters. But It added no functionality that wasn't already present in the game.

Anyway, it has nothing at all to do with this topic so I'll stop arguing it with you.

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PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Persephone wrote...
I don't care about the so called "RPG Community". Which of them anyway? There are hundreds. :whistle:


While you may not care other people do. Reviewers certainly cared when they slammed DA2 hard. Consummers certainly cared when they did the same.

If you want to ignore the evidence, that's fine. But you can't really use that as basis for a dissusion.


The reviews I read for DAII were fine, none of them slammed DAII at all. And again, I don't CARE about reviews, positive or negative. I care about my OWN opinion and do not jump on bandwagons.

I couldn't care less for consumer reviews for the same reasons.

"Evidence" for what? Why this effin' NEED to prove your agenda? This is a GAME!!! Just a bloody game, not the end of the world as we know it. Melodrama......always melodrama!


If you dont care about reviews then why read them? Obviously you didnt read them all either way.  It seems like you have an agenda of defending every thing BioWare does for some reason, none of your posts are ever subjective or impartial, why is that?


To be honest I've noticed that as well although I haven't seen that many posts of him/her


Her. As for the rest, see my response above.


My apologies Posted Image, like I said haven't seen a lot of your posts but you do seem to be pretty pro-bioware which isn't a problem, as at least you seem to try to state your opinions respectfully unlike some others. I like the game myself but I won't defend bioware on there problems wih DA2 or give them excuses. JMO.


Lemme put it this way: I'm pro the games I enjoy. If Bioware releases a game I dislike, I'll say so. (I.E. Awakening) :P

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tiernanls wrote...

i have a question regarding the OP.

1. if a title is taken a new direction, and is not well-received by a largly pc fan base of the first iteration, but sells significantly more copies accross multi-platforms and garners a significant degree of mass appeal, do you even consider re-assigning whoever was in charge of that? 

its a business.  at the end of the day if they dont make some serious bank on every title, there will be no more dragon age. 

2. my honest opinion is that if you are not getting the rpg elements you desire out of this game than you should find a company that gives you those and play their titles.  the core gameplay of this title is where its at for a reason.  bioware may have made titles in the past that appealed to their own cult following, but they are EA now.  and EA wants everyone to like it.  and whether you like it or not bioware WANTS to be part of EA. 

3. calling for someones head that is probably being secretly praised for the sales success of the title behind closed doors is kinda ridiculous.  its clutching at straws. it will never happen as long as the title improves on the sales of the first.  and thats just the long and short of it. 


I added numbers to your points to improve on ability to respond clearly for each point.

1. The same example could be used if you take the fanbase of say Mass Effect and the next title is change to such a degree it becomes a new title akin to Halo. Both Sci Fi shooters to a degree with a lead protaganist also graphical and UI as well as combat mechanics all of which changed also between DAO and DA2 the only difference is only (imho) just keeping it enough to stay RPG as opposed to action and place this new game under the umbrella of same lore. Halo makes more sales does that mean ME fans have no right to say they think the series went the wrong direction? The only difference between this example and what you implied is the scale of difference between the first and the second title. It has been said already he wanted to broaden the appeal take what the series/original was going to be taken in a different direction and try new things/approach while at same time keeping just enough to make old fans of DA series happy, or more accurately subdued.

2. The RPG elements were in the first in the series/titles for this DA universe likewise I could say if you don't like those RPG element you could have gone and played something else, the fact is if want to do something different and follow a new path you don't do it to a pre-existing series you try this new model/gameplay in a new title and base it's merits off that success or failure instead of changing a already existing game with an already existing fanbase which was attracted to the game and the DA universe based on (that) title and concept/gameplay.

3. No time in this entire thread did I ask for his head and constantly had to defend my words against those who try to put them in my mouth for me claiming something I did not say as factual. I will do the same to you as did to them go back read my posts.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 04 avril 2011 - 09:03 .


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This:

I personally think Mike Laidlaw should not be in charge of it, I mean maybe moving him to manage a different project and put in charge someone who actually loves RPG's not Button=Awesome.


Is not a personal attack on Mike Laidlaw or a call for him to be removed from his job. Yah, sure.

Arrogant ***

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Agreed - his interviews make me cringe. He doesn't enjoy RPGs, so why is he the lead designer?

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MrTijger wrote...

This:

I personally think Mike Laidlaw should not be in charge of it, I mean maybe moving him to manage a different project and put in charge someone who actually loves RPG's not Button=Awesome.


Is not a personal attack on Mike Laidlaw or a call for him to be removed from his job. Yah, sure.

Arrogant ***


Nice to see how in the short time we known each other from the abuse at the start of the thread up to current post of yours that you have never lost that special touch, the one with cursing and resorting to name calling.

Go read:

http://social.biowar...19590/7#6930485

Waiting in the shadows to find the perfect moment (posts) to continue your vendetta doesn't make you come across as mature or rational. If you want to talk to me might I suggest you go out get some fresh air and come back when you have calmed down.

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Alex Kershaw wrote...

Agreed - his interviews make me cringe. He doesn't enjoy RPGs, so why is he the lead designer?


Maybe you should actually, I dont know, read said interviews?

Mike Laidlaw:
Being a long‑term Baldur's Gate and frigging Gold Box fan, it's got the stuff that I like out of my fantasy RPGs, but it feels like a modern game.

http://www.rpgwatch....ead.php?t=12769


Anyway, you were saying?

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Dragoonlordz wrote...

Waiting in the shadows to find the perfect moment (posts) to continue your vendetta doesn't make you come across as mature or rational. If you want to talk to me might I suggest you go out get some fresh air and come back when you have calmed down.


ROFL, waiting in the shadows? Uh...you need to stop projecting, I spent the evening with my wife before coming online and then I read the news and came here, oh dear oh dear, you really to seek some professional assistance, this is not Kirkwall Lowtown at night, you know Posted Image

And uh... *** is a lovely name.

But hey, I'm glad to hear my timing is right...but eh, for what exactly? Is there pie?

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Their fanbase isn't pissed off, just the "Remake Baldur's Gate Forever" crowd. {smilie}{smilie}{smilie}

As much as you're entitled to your absolutely awful opinion on the matter Dragon Age II is performing worse on the market than Dragon Age: Origins did. This obviously goes beyond Baldur's Gate. They made a bad game and now they're paying for it. Simple.

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MrTijger wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Waiting in the shadows to find the perfect moment (posts) to continue your vendetta doesn't make you come across as mature or rational. If you want to talk to me might I suggest you go out get some fresh air and come back when you have calmed down.


ROFL, waiting in the shadows? Uh...you need to stop projecting, I spent the evening with my wife before coming online and then I read the news and came here, oh dear oh dear, you really to seek some professional assistance, this is not Kirkwall Lowtown at night, you know Posted Image

And uh... *** is a lovely name.

But hey, I'm glad to hear my timing is right...but eh, for what exactly? Is there pie?


I see one of the BioSheep have arrived in defense of their gods, how cute.

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MrTijger wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Waiting in the shadows to find the perfect moment (posts) to continue your vendetta doesn't make you come across as mature or rational. If you want to talk to me might I suggest you go out get some fresh air and come back when you have calmed down.


ROFL, waiting in the shadows? Uh...you need to stop projecting, I spent the evening with my wife before coming online and then I read the news and came here, oh dear oh dear, you really to seek some professional assistance, this is not Kirkwall Lowtown at night, you know Posted Image

And uh... *** is a lovely name.

But hey, I'm glad to hear my timing is right...but eh, for what exactly? Is there pie?


I'll ask one more time stop calling people vulgar names. You keep jumping to Mike's defense claiming it's an attack when I have never asked him to be fired or questioned his competence or ability just questioned his direction for the DA series.. Incase you do not realise this he doesn't need people 'The White Knights' fighting for him on his behalf this is a public forum he is more than welcome to come debate and discuss with me or anyone he wants the direction he took the game why and what nots. He is not a child he is a grown man with a role of deciding the direction of the series for the title he is lead on and I'm pretty sure he would do it in a much more grown up manner than you doing.

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Night Prowler76 wrote...

I see one of the BioSheep have arrived in defense of their gods, how cute.


Are we back to Haters vs. Sheep, Jerks vs. Biodrones, elitists vs. idiots name calling now?

Charming!

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I just wanted to say I think he did a good job for the most part. Yes, there was things that could of been done better, but I enjoyed the game just as much as I did the first.

I do understand that some people might dislike the direction that the game went because they changed so much stuff, but I do not have a problem with most of it because I liked more of the changes then i disliked.

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Persephone wrote...
The reviews I read for DAII were fine, none of them slammed DAII at all. And again, I don't CARE about reviews, positive or negative. I care about my OWN opinion and do not jump on bandwagons.

I couldn't care less for consumer reviews for the same reasons.

"Evidence" for what? Why this effin' NEED to prove your agenda? This is a GAME!!! Just a bloody game, not the end of the world as we know it. Melodrama......always melodrama!


Then you only read selected reviews. Not the 2.5 or the 4 , or the 5's or 6's or 7's
If you are determined to fall on your sword to defend the game, feel free.

Well DA2 has been a horrible fail. I'd really not like to see a repeat of Westwood or DA3 go down the same path. Pretending everything is wonderful is exactly what will lead to those outcomes.

The purpose of the thread is to toss around ideas on what possibilities there are to return the DA IP to it's pre-DA2 glory. That's a worthy goal.

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I'll ask one more time stop calling people vulgar names.


Um...what vulgar name? I've not put anything vulgar on here, now, if you're imagining that *** means something vulgar then I suggest you seek the fault with yourself, perhaps?

I see you have no qualms with your own name calling or that of your supporters, how...typical.

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Persephone wrote...
The reviews I read for DAII were fine, none of them slammed DAII at all. And again, I don't CARE about reviews, positive or negative. I care about my OWN opinion and do not jump on bandwagons.

I couldn't care less for consumer reviews for the same reasons.

"Evidence" for what? Why this effin' NEED to prove your agenda? This is a GAME!!! Just a bloody game, not the end of the world as we know it. Melodrama......always melodrama!


The purpose of the thread is to toss around ideas on what possibilities there are to return the DA IP to it's pre-DA2 glory. That's a worthy goal.


Hey, I'm all for an epic DA3. And I loved DA2. What I'd like is seeing a fusion of what I loved in DAO and DAII. But I guess that's wrong of me. So never mind. And DAII was not a horrible fail to me. :? Fall on my sword to defend the game? Melodrama again. :P

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MrTijger wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I'll ask one more time stop calling people vulgar names.


Um...what vulgar name? I've not put anything vulgar on here, now, if you're imagining that *** means something vulgar then I suggest you seek the fault with yourself, perhaps?

I see you have no qualms with your own name calling or that of your supporters, how...typical.


http://social.biowar...9590/10#6933708

Seriously now, grow up. I thought people had to be over 18 to buy the game and therefore being their game > register it and talk to people on here. But your breaking that illusion for me. Stop throwing tantrums. I will start ignoring you again from now on because clearly you havent clamed down and your still acting immature.

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Persephone wrote...

Hey, I'm all for an epic DA3. And I loved DA2. What I'd like is seeing a fusion of what I loved in DAO and DAII. But I guess that's wrong of me. So never mind. And DAII was not a horrible fail to me. :? Fall on my sword to defend the game? Melodrama again. :P


I'm not at all blind to the issues of DA 2, however, I still enjoyed playing it through 3 times so far and I feel I got my money's worth. Its not DAO 2, thank god, I already have DAO and Awakenings and if I want to play those then thats what I play, not DA 2.

DA 3 definitely needs to adress the critique they've faced but I'd rather seem them do it with the same senior people that made the first 2 games, they know what went right and what went wrong, they also know that they will not want a repeat of the widespread discontent DA 2 gathered, whether thats justified or not isnt even relevant anymore.

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Dragoonlordz wrote...

http://social.biowar...9590/10#6933708

Seriously now, grow up. I thought people had to be over 18 to buy the game and therefore being their game > register it and talk to people on here. But your breaking that illusion for me. Stop throwing tantrums. I will start ignoring you again from now on because clearly you havent clamed down and your still acting immature.


ROFL, you are really a piece of work. Honest, get professional help. And please, PLEASE, ignore me. I'd be much happier without your inane prose.

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Persephone wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

I see one of the BioSheep have arrived in defense of their gods, how cute.


Are we back to Haters vs. Sheep, Jerks vs. Biodrones, elitists vs. idiots name calling now?

Charming!


I also notice that dragoonlordz doesnt reprimand the namecallers and trolls that are of the same opinion, but i suppose thats the nature of a hypocrite who made a thread thats a personal attack but doesnt consider it so.

and just to stop from being called a troll i'll give my opinion (underlined just in case lol)
i think DA2 is a great an enjoyable game, not awesome, not bad. my only gripe with it is the usual cloned dungeons, and i would of liked more companion interaction and more fleshed out hawke family, but none of the faults are that bad to ask someone to be removed from their job.

rant over:P