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[neppakyo]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Lets try to keep it civil because I don't want my thread locked, I find that ignoring the aggressive one's who attack me works best because they get bored of talking to themselves and go away after a while.

As mentioned before the issue is he had a completley different idea to what RPG was and direction he wished to take this series, what i want and would like to see is someone lead the next title DA3 on the same course with same idiology as DAO because that title was critically acclaimed because of the fans it created and scores, ratings it got from Knowles concept and direction of how he wished the series to go.

Mike simply had a completley different agenda going by his interviews and such. DA2 became a test ground for his own concepts and ideas in what an RPG should be and while I can only hold him responsible for his role as lead developer what I'm saying is he took DA series in a different direction making changes not improvements (not to a new title or series which coincides with his idiology) but a pre-existing one with a fanbase created based off a different idiology.

I'm just saying I think DA3 should have a lead which realigns with what made the DA series aka DAO a success in the first place and madeso many fans. I'm 100% not asking for anyone to get fired and don't want anyone to suggest it in this thread but a shuffling of positions/projects happsn all the time in software industry he could easily head up a new title or alternative one while someone more inline with the original concept and direction of DA series takes the lead on DA3.

This is just my opinion and the reason I made a tread to discuss between like minded people we aren't demanding anything we are just discussing.

Very well said! I'm finding I pretty much agree with all of it.

It is unrealalistic for Mr Laidlaw to say "oops, my bad, sorry", it is a nice little fantasy, one i welcome lol.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Well going back on topic, it'd be cool if Brent Knowles comes back in a triumphant return to steer the franchise back on course. We could sure use a hero like that right now.

-polite

[Everwarden]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Well going back on topic, it'd be cool if Brent Knowles comes back in a triumphant return to steer the franchise back on course. We could sure use a hero like that right now.

-polite

This.

[neppakyo]

Everwarden wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Well going back on topic, it'd be cool if Brent Knowles comes back in a triumphant return to steer the franchise back on course. We could sure use a hero like that right now.

-polite

This.

Seconded.

[Zanallen]

I can agree to this if Bioware makes Jade Empire 2 and puts Mike in charge of it.

[DragonRageGT]

After 2 playthroughs, I think that "No tactical camera" (really sucks), re-use of the same area zillion times, rushed, bugged and uninspired in many aspects, made the game lesser than it deserved. Still an enjoyable game. If they had taken another year in development it might have been as great as Origins! The game doesn't suck but whoever rushed this game out to the shelves does!!

P.S.: Bioware staff really should play some classic cRPG's like the Gothics, MW, TES4, Risen, NWN, NWN 2, BG, BG 2, The Witcher EE,  every once in a while. The real cool thing about Piranha Bytes and CDProjekt is that those guys love games so much that they play them all. (they say so) While they don't copy other games, it is the love for the game that let them be inspired to produce masterpieces.

P.S.2.: Please exclude Arcania-Gothic 4 from anything about Gothics. It just has the title but anoter developer who screwed up a classic title. Like the option to use "European Colours" (more realistic, a bit pale) or "American Colours" (too bright, shiny and cartoonish). If I were North American I'd be offended with those devs!

P.S.3.: I think that Origins use "European Colours" while DA2 uses "American Colours"!

Modifié par RageGT, 04 avril 2011 - 07:49 .

[MrTijger]

Just a quickie but I couldnt help but share this, according to VGchartz DA 2 has sold over 2.1 million copies already. Now I know those charts are a bit suspect in regards of methodology and that they dont count digital PC sales but still, not bad for 18 months, perhaps?

Sounds to me like it'll be bonus time at Bioware.

[Keladis]

MrTijger wrote...

Just a quickie but I couldnt help but share this, according to VGchartz DA 2 has sold over 2.1 million copies already. Now I know those charts are a bit suspect in regards of methodology and that they dont count digital PC sales but still, not bad for 18 months, perhaps?

Sounds to me like it'll be bonus time at Bioware.

DA 2 is going to sell a lot of copies because of how great DA : Origin was, but a lot of people have played through once and are now trading the game back in because it was a let down. People was expecting them to take the bad crap from Origin and fix or improve on it but they changed completely and I not saying it is Mike's fault or not.

Modifié par Keladis, 04 avril 2011 - 08:40 .

[Dave of Canada]

Armchair developers always make me laugh, thanks.

[KLUME777]

Yes, i agree with the OP, after reading the GameSpot interview and others, i got the impression that he wants to move away from the classic RPG into action-hybrid, which is not what i want. I already have my top-notch action-RPG's (Mass Effect, Fallout...), and now I'm losing the only classic RPG this gen to a mediocre at best action RPG.

[KLUME777]

Keladis wrote...

MrTijger wrote...

Just a quickie but I couldnt help but share this, according to VGchartz DA 2 has sold over 2.1 million copies already. Now I know those charts are a bit suspect in regards of methodology and that they dont count digital PC sales but still, not bad for 18 months, perhaps?

Sounds to me like it'll be bonus time at Bioware.

DA 2 is going to sell a lot of copies because of how great DA : Origin was, but a lot of people have played through once and are now trading the game back in because it was a let down. People was expecting them to take the bad crap from Origin and fix or improve on it but they changed completely and I not saying it is Mike's fault or not.

This.

Plus, it also works the other way around. ME2 has not sold all that well i think, because generally ME1 was not that well recieved with the casual gamer (I personally loved it, but...). ME2 fixes a lot of problems, but people see ME2 and think how they didn't like ME1, so they don't buy it, even if they would have liked ME2.

Also, this is just my opinion, not based on fact at all.

[Cutlasskiwi]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Lets try to keep it civil because I don't want my thread locked, I find that ignoring the aggressive one's who attack me works best because they get bored of talking to themselves and go away after a while.

As mentioned before the issue is he had a completley different idea to what RPG was and direction he wished to take this series, what i want and would like to see is someone lead the next title DA3 on the same course with same idiology as DAO because that title was critically acclaimed because of the fans it created and scores, ratings it got from Knowles concept and direction of how he wished the series to go.

Mike simply had a completley different agenda going by his interviews and such. DA2 became a test ground for his own concepts and ideas in what an RPG should be and while I can only hold him responsible for his role as lead developer what I'm saying is he took DA series in a different direction making changes not improvements (not to a new title or series which coincides with his idiology) but a pre-existing one with a fanbase created based off a different idiology.

I'm just saying I think DA3 should have a lead which realigns with what made the DA series aka DAO a success in the first place and madeso many fans. I'm 100% not asking for anyone to get fired and don't want anyone to suggest it in this thread but a shuffling of positions/projects happsn all the time in software industry he could easily head up a new title or alternative one while someone more inline with the original concept and direction of DA series takes the lead on DA3.

This is just my opinion and the reason I made a tread to discuss between like minded people we aren't demanding anything we are just discussing.

A lot of the changes in DA2 people have been asking for after DAO and it has been seen on the forum. It's not like he came in with a sledgehammer and decided to change things just because he felt like it. 

[MrTijger]

KLUME777 wrote...

This.

Plus, it also works the other way around. ME2 has not sold all that well i think, because generally ME1 was not that well recieved with the casual gamer (I personally loved it, but...). ME2 fixes a lot of problems, but people see ME2 and think how they didn't like ME1, so they don't buy it, even if they would have liked ME2.

Also, this is just my opinion, not based on fact at all.

Eh...ME 2 sold more than 2 million in the first week of its release so I'm not sure what information you are basing yourself on, AFAIK ME 2 has been quite succesful and that was on 2 platforms only, the PS3 version was only released a few months ago and that too was quite a hit according to EA (no numbers given afaik)

Anyway, back on topic, while you may have a point and there might be a backlash towards DA 3 the figures given would indicate that DA 2 has already grossed over a 100 million dollars, thats not exactly chump change. As we dont know what the targets for DA 2 are or were this is all guesswork anyway but its certainly doesnt sound like its a failure in terms of sales.

Modifié par MrTijger, 04 avril 2011 - 09:44 .

[_- Songlian -]

I, personally, hope he stays for DA3 as well. Because I sure as hell don't want some other new guy in his slot, having no mistakes to learn from when he starts designing the next game. 

Also, given that I really don't think DA2 is a bad game, I see no reason for him to step down in the first place. 

Modifié par - Songlian -, 04 avril 2011 - 11:20 .

[FellowerOfOdin]

Move him to TOR, can't do much more harm

[Rykoth]

I hope this thread gets locked.

You have no right to demand anyone step down.

[ejoslin]

Johnsen1972 wrote...

Design mistakes made by Mike L.

]

This may be terrible, but what I noticed most about this review is he is an xbox 360 user.  I'm so used to "PC Elite" being thrown around that I forget that there are console users who also prefer DAO to DA2.

Modifié par ejoslin, 04 avril 2011 - 12:56 .

[MrTijger]

Autolycus wrote...

Dragoonz

if you were a lady I'd kiss ya......in fact...what the hell....kiss ya anyway

@MrTijger....

we meet again, seriously dude, you must have one sad life.

@ Songlian...

Lol, sure....Bioware are well known for learning from their mistakes arn't they lmao

I havent got a clue who you are, I dont believe I know who the hell you are and whether you forgot you are posting under a clone or not but I have a great life, I'm currently getting paid an excellent salary for doing nothing, how about you?

[MrTijger]

Autolycus wrote...

I do do nothing...and don't need the money either for the record

And to continually come here and be annoying and argue for the sake of it....seriosuly....thats a sad life....look it up sometime while your doing nothing

You dodo nothing? Never heard of that one, is that interesting?

My dear boy or girl, forums are made to argue on, as to being annoying, well I guess thats a personal problem you have, not me.

My life is quite nice, although work is rather boring at the moment so I have plenty of time to come here and argue. I enjoy it. Perhaps if you have plenty of time you could look up the english language? Oh and please dont say you're not a native speaker etc. because, guess what, neither am I.

[Dragoonlordz]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Well going back on topic, it'd be cool if Brent Knowles comes back in a triumphant return to steer the franchise back on course. We could sure use a hero like that right now.

-polite

I spoke to him while back I don't think he want's to come back but what he did say was he wants ideally have one of his books/novels turned into a game and he would love to be in charge or at least hands on that project.

With regard to Tijger, I'm pretty sure DA2 would have sold just as well if not much more had the lead been more in line with DAO concept/mindset while pushing the direction of DA2 (imho) as opposed to someone who wanted a different direction or different take on what an RPG is and what he wanted in the series rather than making a new title to try his theories and ideas instead of using one that had a fanbase built on a different idiology towards RPG's for DAO.

Everyone here should probably ignore Tijger tbh in this thread specifically because he/she has done nothing but spout righteous indignation from the offset rather than contributing to the 'discusssion' with an open mind. He/she admits she comes here to argue which is exactly what she has done not discuss or debate.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 04 avril 2011 - 01:29 .

[Nimrodell]

If you go back to DA:O forums demands, you'll see that many DA2 changes were actually demanded by players themselves... so, I guess Mike and others made a mistake for actually reading those posts and catering to players. So, how does one determine which arguments to listen and which not to?

[Mr_Steph]

Ehm.......what does this have to do with DA being an AAA series exactly?