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[Statulos]

Persephone wrote...
2) It doesn't need 100+ fixes but we're getting them and that's actually a very good thing, given how badly DAO was patched.

I don't know what version are you playing, but getting quests that didn't work at all or the events of a companion completely messed up spoiling things in advance are elements that need to be fixed.

[AkiKishi]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
Can you two please take it elsewhere maybe messages between yourselves if just going to argue about definitions and generalisations (both of you are coming across as angry in regard to each other's response's and it's derailing the thread).

I kind of expected Rinpoch to troll this thread because that's what he is best known for on these forums but I expected better from you two. Could you at least keep it civil please if wish to debate that issue.

Im not angry.

It's a worthwhile offshoot, you can't re-establish something as a AAA if people feel that it was never less than AAA in the first place.

[Serpieri Nei]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Alternate Appearance Pack #1
and
Alternate Appearance Pack #2

Wonder, how long before we see this in DA:2

Both of those were miles ahead of the Feastday pack. That made Horse Armor look good. So they can only go up from there.

This has nothing to do with Feastday pack. This is about a feature that was removed from a game. And has returned as a DLC.

[Persephone]

Statulos wrote...

Persephone wrote...
2) It doesn't need 100+ fixes but we're getting them and that's actually a very good thing, given how badly DAO was patched.

I don't know what version are you playing, but getting quests that didn't work at all or the events of a companion completely messed up spoiling things in advance are elements that need to be fixed.

I encountered 3-4 bugs in 4 playthroughs. Not even close to 100. But bug reports vary and I'm glad that Bioware is doing its best to fix as much as possible ASAP.

[PlumPaul93]

Statulos wrote...

Persephone wrote...
2) It doesn't need 100+ fixes but we're getting them and that's actually a very good thing, given how badly DAO was patched.

I don't know what version are you playing, but getting quests that didn't work at all or the events of a companion completely messed up spoiling things in advance are elements that need to be fixed.

Yeah my thoughts exactly

[Persephone]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Alternate Appearance Pack #1
and
Alternate Appearance Pack #2

Wonder, how long before we see this in DA:2

Both of those were miles ahead of the Feastday pack. That made Horse Armor look good. So they can only go up from there.

This has nothing to do with Feastday pack. This is about a feature that was removed from a game. And has returned as a DLC.

Has it been confirmed then or is this an assumption?

[PlumPaul93]

Persephone wrote...

Statulos wrote...

Persephone wrote...
2) It doesn't need 100+ fixes but we're getting them and that's actually a very good thing, given how badly DAO was patched.

I don't know what version are you playing, but getting quests that didn't work at all or the events of a companion completely messed up spoiling things in advance are elements that need to be fixed.

I encountered 3-4 bugs in 4 playthroughs. Not even close to 100. But bug reports vary and I'm glad that Bioware is doing its best to fix as much as possible ASAP.

Lucky you doesn't mean 100+ fixes aren't needed

[AkiKishi]

Persephone wrote...
I don't care about the so called "RPG Community". Which of them anyway? There are hundreds. 

While you may not care other people do. Reviewers certainly cared when they slammed DA2 hard. Consummers certainly cared when they did the same.

If you want to ignore the evidence, that's fine. But you can't really use that as basis for a dissusion.

[Statulos]

Persephone wrote...

Statulos wrote...

Persephone wrote...
2) It doesn't need 100+ fixes but we're getting them and that's actually a very good thing, given how badly DAO was patched.

I don't know what version are you playing, but getting quests that didn't work at all or the events of a companion completely messed up spoiling things in advance are elements that need to be fixed.

I encountered 3-4 bugs in 4 playthroughs. Not even close to 100. But bug reports vary and I'm glad that Bioware is doing its best to fix as much as possible ASAP.

I am not complaining in them doing a good (hopefully) job. It sucked to get Merrill's quest completely spoiled by the game.

On the other hand, I don't know if this was intended, but I think the game needs some serious balance. It's not normal that a rogue with two weapons deals more damage with a normal hit than a two handed weapon from a warrior. That's not a bug per se but it does not make much sense.

[Cutlass Jack]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

This has nothing to do with Feastday pack. This is about a feature that was removed from a game. And has returned as a DLC.

Except those outfits were never removed from the game and returned as DLC. They were made post-launch. So not really understanding your point. You could make a reasonable arguement for the Hammerhead or Zaeed. Or Shale while we're at it.

[Persephone]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Statulos wrote...

Persephone wrote...
2) It doesn't need 100+ fixes but we're getting them and that's actually a very good thing, given how badly DAO was patched.

I don't know what version are you playing, but getting quests that didn't work at all or the events of a companion completely messed up spoiling things in advance are elements that need to be fixed.

I encountered 3-4 bugs in 4 playthroughs. Not even close to 100. But bug reports vary and I'm glad that Bioware is doing its best to fix as much as possible ASAP.

Lucky you doesn't mean 100+ fixes aren't needed

Remember the context. I was referring to bugs requiring immediate squashing as opposed to typos in subtitles etc. I'm GLAD we're getting that many fixes. That's a GOOD thing.

[Serpieri Nei]

Persephone wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Alternate Appearance Pack #1
and
Alternate Appearance Pack #2

Wonder, how long before we see this in DA:2

Both of those were miles ahead of the Feastday pack. That made Horse Armor look good. So they can only go up from there.

This has nothing to do with Feastday pack. This is about a feature that was removed from a game. And has returned as a DLC.

Has it been confirmed then or is this an assumption?

Play ME and Play MEII - then ask yourself where the armor went. The same thing that happened to DA.

[Serpieri Nei]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

This has nothing to do with Feastday pack. This is about a feature that was removed from a game. And has returned as a DLC.

Except those outfits were never removed from the game and returned as DLC. They were made post-launch. So not really understanding your point. You could make a reasonable arguement for the Hammerhead or Zaeed. Or Shale while we're at it.

They were made post launch because they removed the ability to change armors.

[Persephone]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Persephone wrote...
I don't care about the so called "RPG Community". Which of them anyway? There are hundreds. 

While you may not care other people do. Reviewers certainly cared when they slammed DA2 hard. Consummers certainly cared when they did the same.

If you want to ignore the evidence, that's fine. But you can't really use that as basis for a dissusion.

The reviews I read for DAII were fine, none of them slammed DAII at all. And again, I don't CARE about reviews, positive or negative. I care about my OWN opinion and do not jump on bandwagons.

I couldn't care less for consumer reviews for the same reasons.

"Evidence" for what? Why this effin' NEED to prove your agenda? This is a GAME!!! Just a bloody game, not the end of the world as we know it. Melodrama......always melodrama!

[Dragoonlordz]

Persephone wrote...

I'll apologize for derailing the thread. But I don't think my posts lacked civility. (My first response was snarky, I'll admit that, but it was not rude) Anyway, sorry, didn't mean to derail your thread.

BobSmith101 wrote...

It's a worthwhile offshoot, you can't re-establish something as a AAA if people feel that it was never less than AAA in the first place.

Apology accepted, In relation to both: I'm glad or hope at least you see why I brought it up. I have no problem debating the relevance (specifically) of AAA classfication here because there I did mention it as part of the thread header but I just want to keep it civil, clear points and in a mature manner. Can I also suggest if going to quote each other you only quote the points you wish to debate rather than pages of quotes so it ends up less confusing.

Though there is a limit to how specific I think is relevant going on debating very specific individual bugs/glitches.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 04 avril 2011 - 08:17 .

[Rockpopple]

Persephone wrote...

The reviews I read for DAII were fine, none of them slammed DAII at all. And again, I don't CARE about reviews, positive or negative. I care about my OWN opinion and do not jump on bandwagons.

I couldn't care less for consumer reviews for the same reasons.

"Evidence" for what? Why this effin' NEED to prove your agenda? This is a GAME!!! Just a bloody game, not the end of the world as we know it. Melodrama......always melodrama!

Yeah, Bob has a way of doing that to people. It's like playing Tennis with someone who always serves rocks. You try to deal with it at first the best you can, but eventually it's like WHAT THE CHRISTMAS!?!

Which is sad cuz when Bob wants to, he can dole out some pretty good arguments.

[ejoslin]

Cybermortis wrote...

1; Discounting user reviews is daft, unless you are talking about less than 10 reviews. Beyond that the extreme review scores given cancel each other out.

All sites are showing DA2 as the lowest user rated game from; Jade Empire, Mass Effect, Dragon Age;Origins and Mass Effect 2. Even Awakenings is showing equal to better scores than DA2.

Note that the scores appear to be somewhat higher for consoles than the PC, I'm guessing that the game is more console friendly and/or PC players have higher demands - ironic given than PC games cost less.

2; Agreed that 'fixes' don't always - and in fact rarely do - specifically and solely mean major bugs. Usually they are minor problems such as subtitles not matching what is said.
That said I'm not aware of a game needing 100 fixes in a first patch. The only game I can think of that had this many was Fallout 2, which had/has a fan-patch dealing with some 150 fixes - none of which were critical bugs.

3; The price drop is real, and here in the UK isn't related to sales. The specific amount varies from store to store and different locations. On average the major stores are selling the game for around £28, which is less than the retail price of £35. However some smaller chains have in some places lowered the price to as little as £18.
The price drop for the larger stores appeared after a week, and none of them were having sales at the time.

Also worth considering that the sales figures don't (and can't) take into account people who have returned the game or traded it in already.

Regarding point 2 -- click on the ZDF link in my signature.  This is by no means a complete fix to DAO, but yep, this is a fan mod fixing close to 100 bugs for DAO.  There are more bugs but I'm taking a break right now.

I wish BW would do a 100+ fix patch for DAO -- it actually could use it.  Console users can't use mods  I'm grateful BW is addressing them in DA2 at least.

Modifié par ejoslin, 04 avril 2011 - 08:23 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Rockpopple wrote...

Yeah, Bob has a way of doing that to people. It's like playing Tennis with someone who always serves rocks. You try to deal with it at first the best you can, but eventually it's like WHAT THE CHRISTMAS!?!

Which is sad cuz when Bob wants to, he can dole out some pretty good arguments.

Keep personal attacks out of thread as much as possible if not going to add to the topic itself it comes across as a vendetta. I don't like having to constantly try to keep the thread from derailing or moderate it instead of being able to discuss with people the topic itself but that's what I'm being forced to do because of some people here.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 04 avril 2011 - 08:30 .

[Rockpopple]

Not for nothin' but you're kinda powertrippin' a little bit. Just a tad. Just sayin'

[Persephone]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

Yeah, Bob has a way of doing that to people. It's like playing Tennis with someone who always serves rocks. You try to deal with it at first the best you can, but eventually it's like WHAT THE CHRISTMAS!?!

Which is sad cuz when Bob wants to, he can dole out some pretty good arguments.

Keep personal attacks out of thread as much as possible if not going to add to the topic itself it comes across as a vendetta.

I understand this. But calling people delusional is a personal attack as well. Just sayin'.

[Night Prowler76]

Persephone wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Persephone wrote...
I don't care about the so called "RPG Community". Which of them anyway? There are hundreds. 

While you may not care other people do. Reviewers certainly cared when they slammed DA2 hard. Consummers certainly cared when they did the same.

If you want to ignore the evidence, that's fine. But you can't really use that as basis for a dissusion.

The reviews I read for DAII were fine, none of them slammed DAII at all. And again, I don't CARE about reviews, positive or negative. I care about my OWN opinion and do not jump on bandwagons.

I couldn't care less for consumer reviews for the same reasons.

"Evidence" for what? Why this effin' NEED to prove your agenda? This is a GAME!!! Just a bloody game, not the end of the world as we know it. Melodrama......always melodrama!

If you dont care about reviews then why read them? Obviously you didnt read them all either way.  It seems like you have an agenda of defending every thing BioWare does for some reason, none of your posts are ever subjective or impartial, why is that?

[Persephone]

Night Prowler76 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Persephone wrote...
I don't care about the so called "RPG Community". Which of them anyway? There are hundreds. 

While you may not care other people do. Reviewers certainly cared when they slammed DA2 hard. Consummers certainly cared when they did the same.

If you want to ignore the evidence, that's fine. But you can't really use that as basis for a dissusion.

The reviews I read for DAII were fine, none of them slammed DAII at all. And again, I don't CARE about reviews, positive or negative. I care about my OWN opinion and do not jump on bandwagons.

I couldn't care less for consumer reviews for the same reasons.

"Evidence" for what? Why this effin' NEED to prove your agenda? This is a GAME!!! Just a bloody game, not the end of the world as we know it. Melodrama......always melodrama!

If you dont care about reviews then why read them? Obviously you didnt read them all either way.  It seems like you have an agenda of defending every thing BioWare does for some reason, none of your posts are ever subjective or impartial, why is that?

Extremes again. I am not defending everything Bioware does at all. I have criticized both DAO and DAII several times.

As for not being subjective or impartial, who here can claim that they are? Honestly? I know I can't and I'll admit to that.

[tiernanls]

i have a question regarding the OP.

if a title is taken a new direction, and is not well-received by a largly pc fan base of the first iteration, but sells significantly more copies accross multi-platforms and garners a significant degree of mass appeal, do you even consider re-assigning whoever was in charge of that? 

its a business.  at the end of the day if they dont make some serious bank on every title, there will be no more dragon age. 

my honest opinion is that if you are not getting the rpg elements you desire out of this game than you should find a company that gives you those and play their titles.  the core gameplay of this title is where its at for a reason.  bioware may have made titles in the past that appealed to their own cult following, but they are EA now.  and EA wants everyone to like it.  and whether you like it or not bioware WANTS to be part of EA. 

calling for someones head that is probably being secretly praised for the sales success of the title behind closed doors is kinda ridiculous.  its clutching at straws. it will never happen as long as the title improves on the sales of the first.  and thats just the long and short of it. 

[PlumPaul93]

Night Prowler76 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Persephone wrote...
I don't care about the so called "RPG Community". Which of them anyway? There are hundreds. 

While you may not care other people do. Reviewers certainly cared when they slammed DA2 hard. Consummers certainly cared when they did the same.

If you want to ignore the evidence, that's fine. But you can't really use that as basis for a dissusion.

The reviews I read for DAII were fine, none of them slammed DAII at all. And again, I don't CARE about reviews, positive or negative. I care about my OWN opinion and do not jump on bandwagons.

I couldn't care less for consumer reviews for the same reasons.

"Evidence" for what? Why this effin' NEED to prove your agenda? This is a GAME!!! Just a bloody game, not the end of the world as we know it. Melodrama......always melodrama!

If you dont care about reviews then why read them? Obviously you didnt read them all either way.  It seems like you have an agenda of defending every thing BioWare does for some reason, none of your posts are ever subjective or impartial, why is that?

To be honest I've noticed that as well although I haven't seen that many posts of him/her

[Night Prowler76]

Persephone wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

DA2 dragged the DA IP through the dirt. It's dellusional to think otherwise.

Ah, hyperbole and mass generalization, how I've missed you.

Feel free to prove otherwise.

Yeah, Bob, I would, but I - like most serious people - am not in the business of trying to prove a negative.

Jeez. I'd think I was infallible all the time if all I did was argue with myself. Or walls. Plenty of walls available.

Funny when all the evidence points the other way
lowest rated Bioware game ever - check.
Reviews sub 5 check.
First patch of 100+ bug fixes - check.
Price reduction after 3 weeks -check.

You can make all the excuses you like but if you can't counter that, your just blowing hot air.

It is NOT the lowest rated Bioware game ever.

Skewed User Ratings....OMG, that never happened before!

Second patch contains 100+ fixes, not fixes for +100 bugs. And hey, BG had about 500 bugs+, with the Fixpack (A Mod) fixing over 120 alone.

Price reduction happens to all titles pretty quickly, esp. on Amazon. Means nothing at all.

He was referring to user and CRITIC ratings.  Bad reviews on behalf of users do not make them skewed, if they got alot of high scores, you of all people would be praising it and saying ZOMG LOOK AT THE AWESOME SCORES ITS GETTING!!!! THATS PROOOOOOF!

Thanks for pointing out BioWare releases bug ridden games and this is just normal and acceptable, you are really helping your case.

Price reductions DO NOT HAPPEN TO ALL TITLES in the beginning months, this is just a false statement entirely.

The user ratings are skewed. Dance around it all you like, that's a fact.

And don't presume to know me well enough to predict my actions. I don't have to prove anything, you know? Many games I love have positively skewed ratings (Users as well as critics) and I'll admit to that. (ME2 for example, oh my!) Is THIS what this is all about? "Proving" something? Proving that you are "right" and everyone who disagrees is wrong? Because Metracritic (Or Troll Haven) said so? Puleeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaze!

Patches with 100 fixes (Not all of them bugs) are an every day event. Just the sober truth. 

And yes, the reductions happen to pretty much all titles. Sales amongst other things cause them. It means nothing.

I like how you state your opinion as fact, it almost makes you seem like you are correct, even when you are not on most things.

So first it was EVERY title, not its pretty much every title hahaha, you should make up your mind and stick with what you you say in the first place instead of back peddling when you get called out on it, in case you didnt know BioWare even said go to METACRITIC to get a good gauge of the game hahaha, I wish I could live life with blinders on like some of you guys, it would be grand.