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[dleo95]

HELLZ YEA!!

[Sidney]

You bet. They're appear to be semi-competent something the alliance and council haven't quite risen too.

Plus, all my stuff in on the Normandy and they do not seem like the kind of folks who call HR and let you clean out your desk.

[jeweledleah]

you know some of the responses make me wonder. do you equate shepard's morals with your own?

[Merci357]

Of course not. Human supremancy doesn't fly in a galaxy full of sentient races. Shepard has Turian, Asari, Salarian, Quarin, Krogan, Drell, Krogan squad members and friends. She fights for them as much as she fights for humanity.

[Annihilator27]

jeweledleah wrote...

you know some of the responses make me wonder. do you equate shepard's morals with your own?

I play my Shepard as how I would do things.

[AdmiralCheez]

jeweledleah wrote...

you know some of the responses make me wonder. do you equate shepard's morals with your own?

Most of the time, yeah.  I've whipped up Sheps that are my polar opposites, but they're largely for the lulz or to find out what happens if I do things differently.  My "canon" Sheps tend to do what I'd do in their shoes, simply because it's more comfortable for me to play the game that way.

@Pwener: Even if Cerberus is doing more to save the galaxy than everyone else and never did all those icky things that gave them their nasty reputation, I still would not sign up due to idealogical differences.  Let's say my life is saved by a virtuous Hindu.  Does that mean I'm going to convert to Hinduism?  No.  I'd be eternally grateful to the guy, but I still wouldn't believe in Shiva or Brahma or reincarnation.  Similarly, even though Cerberus saved Shepard's life, he/she will not necessarily suddenly believe that the advancement of humanity is more important than galactic unity.

[ADelusiveMan]

jeweledleah wrote...

you know some of the responses make me wonder. do you equate shepard's morals with your own?

In fact I do. Helps me get more into the story. My MaleShep actually looks like me. That's one of the reasons I love the ME series - you become part of the universe. You put yourself into that amazing story, and then you not only have a story that you care about, you are now part of that story. 

That's my inner nerd talking.

[jeweledleah]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

you know some of the responses make me wonder. do you equate shepard's morals with your own?

Most of the time, yeah.  I've whipped up Sheps that are my polar opposites, but they're largely for the lulz or to find out what happens if I do things differently.  My "canon" Sheps tend to do what I'd do in their shoes, simply because it's more comfortable for me to play the game that way.

I see   i find paragade a more comfortable playstyle myself, but I  wanted to play around with different outcomes, much like you, I suppose.  and in one of those outcomes, one of those Shepards is definitely a Cerberus man, actualy I could see him eventualy uzurping power from TIM (or at least attempting to). 

I took this question as "what will your Shepard do" rather then "what will YOU do", so I got curious about a multitude of responces that were basicaly "what would I do"

edited to add, my canon shepard looks kinda like me and started out as "what would I do" and then virmire came around and she evolved completely into a different person.  (if it were me, I would go get Ashley myself and sent the rest of the squad who wasn't with me, to assist Kaidan and get both of them out, instead of having to chose one.  I mean - 4 people plus more marines are just chilling somewhere, doing nothing - if me and 2 buddies can take out that wave of geth, I'm sure they can as well)

Modifié par jeweledleah, 04 avril 2011 - 01:49 .

[008Zulu]

Tough call. One one hand you have kidnapping children for the purpose of biotic experimentation and on the other you have a group which is more or less responsible for saving the galaxy and all its inhabitants when those in charge ignored the threat.

Tough call.

[marshalleck]

Of course. As the late great Carl Sagan once said, "We speak for Earth. Our obligation to survive is owed not just to ourselves but also to that Cosmos, ancient and vast, from which we spring.”

Star stuff pondering the stars. I can't think of a worse crime against nature than letting that slip away. If aligning with Cerberus seems to be the best way to ensure humanity's survival (and by extension, everyone else's since the Reapers won't stop with Earth), then Shepard will do it. As of the end of ME2, my Shepard considers the Council to be the second greatest threat to galactic civilization right after the Reapers themselves, for being so utterly incompetent and blind. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 04 avril 2011 - 01:57 .

[AdmiralCheez]

@jeweledleah: It may have something to do with the thread title as well. (OP started it!)

In all seriousness, though, I think people are identifying with their Shepards so much that it is, for the most part, taken for granted. For example, when somebody starts a thread about how they thought a certain paragon decision was irrational, several posters who play paragon will take it as a personal insult.

Alas, internet.

[Tazzmission]

rengade shepard wise i will. paragon wise hell to the no

[Pwener2313]

That's the thing, I would. I, like you just said, play doing what I would do. At the start of ME1, I wanted to be happy, and make nice with the aliens. Then I saw that they're just like us, evil and selfish. ME2 taught me that if you want something, you take it, by force if necessary. ME1, the final choice, taught me that Im at all costs kinda guy. I wasn't going to risk total anhliation just to save 10,000 people. ME2 went even further. And Arrival pushed me over the edge. Im at all costs kinda guy. Im not going to risk anything just to play nice and make people like me, that's unrealistic and goes against what I believe is necessary to be done.

At heart, Im a nice guy, but when something as big as the survival of my species, and the entire galaxy is at stake, I'll do anything, sacrifice anything, for myself to survive, and my own. Everybody had they're chance. They didn't take it.

Like the true Shepard said; "No sacrifice is too big to stop the Reapers". I believe that to the core. We may lose thalf the galaxy, even more, but we'll survive this, *I* will survive this. The Reapers aren't a nation out to take over. They're out to destroy everything we are. When the threat is that huge, I'll do anything, side with anyone, kill anyone, foget anyone, abandon anyone, kill entire species if necesary if it means one shot at taking the single largest threat to life that has ever existed.

Im not a renegade, or a paragon, or a paragade. I don't follow through those lines. I follow my own. Anything and everything will be done to stop the Reapers. My way should be the true way, the realistic way. People see the reapers as abstract beings and that the real rproblems are the small ones. The council, Cerberus, mercs. No, I know who the real enemy is. It's not TIM, it's not the Council, it's not the Alliance. It's the Reapers. Wathever happens after ME3, happens. War for supremacy? Hatred among the species? Well, at least we'll have a galaxy in which to fight in. People like me, who are willing do anything, are the ones that deserve to win.

Look at our real world. If the first atomic bombs hadn't been dropped, the war would have continued. They sacrificed lives to save even more. That's reality. It's an ugly one, but it's reality nonetheless. You can sugar coat how you play, but destrying the Base and saving the council are reckless decisions that in real life cost too much. It's a game, so it won't penalize you, but if it were real, saving the council would get the galaxy destroyed by Reapers. That's what I aim for, reality. It's ugly, but it's our reality, I see no reason to deny myself that fact.

[Pacifien]

Hell no. I refuse to believe I was ever with them. As far as I'm concerned, my Shepard took their toys, humored them, then gave them the finger when she blew up the Collector Base. Yeah, that's right, blew up the Collector Base because my Shepard feels if the Reapers are going to destroy everyone, she might as well give the finger to the ones she hates the mostest.

Not a heroic one, my Shepard. Luckily, there's some krogan bard named Varric out there writing her story.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

Most of my Sheppards destroyed the Collector Base at the end, so with most of those guys I expect to leave and stay away from Cerberus, if they haven't done so already. I will stay on with a few of my other Sheps to see what happens.

[RGFrog]

I will be with whichever organization provides me with the biggest ship killer and the freedom to use it as I see fit (my shep, that is).

If that's the citadel giving me yet unseen tech from the Turian; The aliance doing the unthinkable and crossing streams; cerberus providing me with my own reaper ship sans reapers; the geth with ships the size of planets; the quarians and mass drivers that hurl asteroids at near light speeds; or the volus and god-like biotics...

I don't think renegade or paragon shep will give a care who or what provides the tools that can be used to save the universe. Just so long as shep's free to use them as only shep can. If that's miri's bodacious boodie hitched to the cerberus gravy train, then so be it.

[jeweledleah]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

@jeweledleah: It may have something to do with the thread title as well. (OP started it!)

In all seriousness, though, I think people are identifying with their Shepards so much that it is, for the most part, taken for granted. For example, when somebody starts a thread about how they thought a certain paragon decision was irrational, several posters who play paragon will take it as a personal insult.

Alas, internet.

pretty sure they only take it as an insult when its actualy made out to be one.  for instance, collector base - that conversation always seems to boil down to "you're stupid for chosing differently from me, you cannot possible have any rationale to your decision becasue it doesn't match mine" 

The beauty of Mass Effect IMO is that there are no clearcut best decisions, there are decisions that are more pragmatic and there are decisions that might make some fights easier or more difficult, but aside from deliberately messing up - all decisions have merit in context of role playing at a minimum.  and I'm pretty sure that Bioware takes it into account when designing said decisions.  and when they want you to make a specific choice, they just make it a non-choice

[AdmiralCheez]

jeweledleah wrote...

pretty sure they only take it as an insult when its actualy made out to be one.  for instance, collector base - that conversation always seems to boil down to "you're stupid for chosing differently from me, you cannot possible have any rationale to your decision becasue it doesn't match mine"

Haha, yeah, you're right about that one; more often things go the other way, don't they?

The beauty of Mass Effect IMO is that there are no clearcut best decisions, there are decisions that are more pragmatic and there are decisions that might make some fights easier or more difficult, but aside from deliberately messing up - all decisions have merit in context of role playing at a minimum.  and I'm pretty sure that Bioware takes it into account when designing said decisions.  and when they want you to make a specific choice, they just make it a non-choice

Tru dat, although I really can't wait to see what ME3 will bring to the table.  It's always fun to find out how stupid I was.

[Zebron is reaL]

Basically, for me it's a no, the Alliance is where I started and want to end up, plus I want to have a conversation with Kaidan without him yelling(unreasonably) at me

but I'd love to remain kinda-allies because TIM is awesome and Cerberus definitely gets stuff done.

[Pwener2313]

You want Kaidan back? After what that hipocryte pulled in Horizon he'll be lucky if I direct him a single word. Seriously, if given the option in ME3, I'll blow his ass like he did mine (wait, that came out wrong).

Jokes aside, I'll leave him to rot with the Alliance. After all he's seen, you'd think he'd be above all that stupid ignorant bull****.

[Admoniter]

As long as they provide me with the tools to get the job done I will tolerate them and so far they have done a much better job that the Alliance or the Council (not by much but still better.) That said when all is said and done, and if given the option I will use said tools to dismantle their facilities one by one. I take no issue with human survival what I have no interest in is human dominance. Especially one brought about by the methods used by Cereberus.

[Pwener2313]

Admoniter wrote...

Cereberus.

Im sorry sir. We here at Cerberus have no information on this particular organization. Please forward all complaints towards management.

[AdmiralCheez]

Pwener2313 wrote...

You want Kaidan back? After what that hipocryte pulled in Horizon he'll be lucky if I direct him a single word. Seriously, if given the option in ME3, I'll blow his ass like he did mine (wait, that came out wrong).

Jokes aside, I'll leave him to rot with the Alliance. After all he's seen, you'd think he'd be above all that stupid ignorant bull****.

But the puppy eyes!  The stupid poofy hair!  The cuddliness!

Not that I blame him for refusing to cooperate with Cerberus, especially since he came with me during all my Cerberus-related sidequests in ME1.

[Gentleman Moogle]

Oh, HELL no.

Those sunza****es did everything they could to get me and my crew killed during the last two games (Yes, I'm still annoyed about the Reaper IFF mission). They're untrustworthy, unprincipled (I don't care what Miranda says), and the second biggest threat to galactic peace in the universe.

What's that? They brought Shep back and gave him a new ship?

Oh. Yes. Yes they did. They also did horrible biological/psychological experiments on children, murdered Alliance marines, killed an Alliance admiral, experimented with Thorian creepers and Rachni warriors (Yes, I know they were trying to engineer shock troops... Out of Zombies and the things from Alien), and did a whole pantload of stuff I'm sure I don't even know about yet.

So thanks for the ship and the rezz. Now Cerberus can kiss my glorious white ass.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Yes, I would stay with Cerberus. The Systems Alliance didn't help Shepard before and seems to have barely followed up his supposed demise. I don't believe in human dominance over other races but I believe Shepard can use Cerberus to forge a better, stronger, humanity.