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[Gabey5]

i don't want to have to answer to the Illusive Man

[ADelusiveMan]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Admoniter wrote...

Cereberus.

Im sorry sir. We here at Cerberus have no information on this particular organization. Please forward all complaints towards management.

*calls management*

• Management: Cerberus Management facility.
• Caller: I just called Cerberus HQ, and I was told to file any complaints I had with you.
• Management: I don't think you have the right place.
• Caller: No, they said call management! This is management!
• Management: I'm sorry, sir. If you have any complaints, please forward them to management.
• Caller:

Modifié par ADelusiveMan, 04 avril 2011 - 03:29 .

[Pwener2313]

Sorry about that. Those damn interns.

[MrFob]

ADelusiveMan wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Admoniter wrote...

Cereberus.

Im sorry sir. We here at Cerberus have no information on this particular organization. Please forward all complaints towards management.

*calls management*

• Management: Cerberus Management facility.
• Caller: I just called Cerberus HQ, and I was told to file any complaints I had with you.
• Managment: I don't think you have the right place.
• Caller: No, they said call management! This is management!
• Managment: I'm sorry, sir. If you have any complaints, please forward them to management.
• Caller:

Reminds me of the refund guy .

Anyway, one thing is for sure: As soon as I can tell TIM where to shove his superiority complex, I will do so.

[Golden Owl]

Filipe_ wrote...

Nope. Shepard works for saving the universe, not just humans. Humans are not better than any race, I play Mass Effect thinking in save everybody, not only the Humans.

^This^ and...

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

Oh, HELL no.

Those sunza****es did everything they could to get me and my crew killed during the last two games (Yes, I'm still annoyed about the Reaper IFF mission). They're untrustworthy, unprincipled (I don't care what Miranda says), and the second biggest threat to galactic peace in the universe.

What's that? They brought Shep back and gave him a new ship?

Oh. Yes. Yes they did. They also did horrible biological/psychological experiments on children, murdered Alliance marines, killed an Alliance admiral, experimented with Thorian creepers and Rachni warriors (Yes, I know they were trying to engineer shock troops... Out of Zombies and the things from Alien), and did a whole pantload of stuff I'm sure I don't even know about yet.

So thanks for the ship and the rezz. Now Cerberus can kiss my glorious white ass.

^This^...hell yeah...agree.

Modifié par Golden Owl, 04 avril 2011 - 03:35 .

[Lunatic LK47]

mrsph wrote...

No.

I don't want to work with people that support death camps, child experimentation, and whatever the hell that thing was in Overlord.

I have standards, dammit.

edit: Also Hackett is so much more cooler.

This. Let's add in that every Cerberus cell has a tendency to take scientific shortcuts just for those "expedient results."

[ADelusiveMan]

MrFob wrote...
Reminds me of the refund guy

LOL that's actually where I got it from.

[Golden Owl]

Pwener2313 wrote...

.... I really don't understand how people can put colonists being huskified over that....

Cerberus were experimenting with the Husk technology also....the colony in ME1...the small human colony they attacked to conduct their own husk experiments on.

Modifié par Golden Owl, 04 avril 2011 - 03:44 .

[Pwener2313]

Golden Owl wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

.... I really don't understand how people can put colonists being huskified over that....

Cerebrus were experimenting with the Husk technology also....the colony in ME1...the small human colony they attacked to conduct their sick husk experiments on.

Ah... yeah dude, I know. You obviously did not receive what I meant.

[Golden Owl]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

.... I really don't understand how people can put colonists being huskified over that....

Cerebrus were experimenting with the Husk technology also....the colony in ME1...the small human colony they attacked to conduct their sick husk experiments on.

Ah... yeah dude, I know. You obviously did not receive what I meant.

Please clarify? What did you mean? I'm interested.

[Vali]

Yes, without a doubt!

Cerberus' methods may be morally questionable, but as TIM would say, you can't argue with the results. Humanity is in the position of power it is in now due in large part to Cerberus, and that means a better life for all humans.

Give humanity a few more years, and humans will rule Citadel space, not just have a part in ruling it, because humanity is superior.

[JamieCOTC]

No. TIM is the main reason. He's a great character, I'll admit, but my canon Shep and he have extreme apposing viewpoints.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 04 avril 2011 - 03:55 .

[Pwener2313]

Golden Owl wrote...

Please clarify? What did you mean? I'm interested.

I hope your not yanking my chain. Here goes.....

People weight a single colony being killed more then saving the entire human race.

[omgodzilla]

Yes
I would never abandon Martin Sheen.

[jeweledleah]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

You want Kaidan back? After what that hipocryte pulled in Horizon he'll be lucky if I direct him a single word. Seriously, if given the option in ME3, I'll blow his ass like he did mine (wait, that came out wrong).

Jokes aside, I'll leave him to rot with the Alliance. After all he's seen, you'd think he'd be above all that stupid ignorant bull****.

But the puppy eyes!  The stupid poofy hair!  The cuddliness!

Not that I blame him for refusing to cooperate with Cerberus, especially since he came with me during all my Cerberus-related sidequests in ME1.

yes, this!  (I'm being serious too)  I cannot blame him or Ash for acting the way they did, especialy with the derpiness of Shepard's replies.

it would definitely be interesting to see just how various choices affect the outcomes in ME3.  although I really hope that some sort of happy ending is one of those outcomes (what can I say, I'm a sap )

[Pwener2313]

Derpiness? I was calm and rational! He's the one that started to rant just like the council did, even when he used to dislike them. What a HIPOCYTE!

"They could be using the threat of a Reaper to manipulate you" I was like; ARE YOU ****ING ME!!??!!?!?!??!

What as **** tha guy is. He backstabbed me just like the Council and the Alliance. Just goes to show, you never really know someone. When I needed a friend the most, he walks on me. **** him in ME3, no matter what he pulls in ME3, he is OUT!!!!!!!!!!

[Golden Owl]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Please clarify? What did you mean? I'm interested.

I hope your not yanking my chain. Here goes.....

People weight a single colony being killed more then saving the entire human race.

No Pwener, I respect people somewhat more than that...I don't take the p*ss.

Thank you for clarifying....though I disagree, as I see Cerebrus as just way too dangerous and immoral, I believe they would eventually just cause a lot more harm than good towards everyone....Yes, I see them trying to stop the Reapers is their one saving grace, but I think the sooner they are disbanded the better.

[LordAnguis]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Please clarify? What did you mean? I'm interested.

I hope your not yanking my chain. Here goes.....

People weight a single colony being killed more then saving the entire human race.

To clarify further on Pwener's point, I believe he's referring to the fact that people go on about the Batarian colony in 'The Arrival' and seem to feel that's a majorly bad thing for Shepard to do, despite the fact that Paragon Shepard has the option of warning the colony and is unable to do so due to outside influences (Dr. Kenson).
 On the one hand, we have the single colony of a race that, for the most part, has continued to enslave countless thousands, humans and non-humans, because its part of their culture. The Reapers arriving, and we have to decide whether the cost of 300,000 over the trillions still left in the galaxy is too much to pay. I say it isn't.
 Also, even when you destroy the base, if you use the Renegade dialogue choices in the final conversation with TIM, there's enough that suggests TIM will work with you even after you do that. Paragon options, of course, tell him that you won't work with him.
 If given the option, with the current information at hand, I'd choose to remain with Cerberus or work independently, using both TIM and the Shadow Broker as my allies for information and financial aid. If I chose to get my Spectre status back, I'd defend my choice to work with Cerberus. Besides, the Council really hasn't got any room to say that I can't do that. Two of their Spectres have gone rogue, killing people for another organization/sentient, and I have killed them both. I say I did the galaxy a favor.
 Also, everyone likes to talk about Cerberus's decisions in regards to experiments. Let's see: BAaT, the Eezo 'leaks', and countless other things. The Alliance and the Council are just as liable to fund a project to go awry as Cerberus is. Cerberus, when their projects fail, they scrap them and revise their plans. They 'piggybacked' with the Ascension Project. Now I'll state for the record that I haven't read the novels, but I'll be getting them soon. The main issue people have with Cerberus is the whole 'Grayson' incident, and I admit that's something that concerns me. Also, the child that is on the Flotilla apparently has autism. Being autistic myself, and a supporter of self-advocacy, I personally abhor experiments on 'autistic individuals'. That said, I'm also pragmatic and logical. Cerberus had the option of either working with pliable individuals (children/teens) or working with those who had already formed their view of the world (adults).
 I support Cerberus in regards to their decision to fight the Reapers with any necessary means. Also, considering the ending of 'Arrival', I'd say staying with Cerberus might be the better option, even if ME3 opens as a trial no matter what. We'll just have to see.
 

[Admoniter]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Please clarify? What did you mean? I'm interested.

I hope your not yanking my chain. Here goes.....

People weight a single colony being killed more then saving the entire human race.

Do go on, I'm rather curious about how turning colonists into husks saved the human race? Or how the Thresher Maw attack saved the human race? Or how killing and Admiral saved the human race? I'm willing to give you that the teltin facility was beneficial in that it gave insight into human biotics. Or reviving Shepard, but really they screwed the pooch on that one, sending their masive investment into to traps left and right for "genuine" suprise. Just because you do something beneficial no matter how beneficial does not suddenly give you carte blanche to say all your experiments were necessary especially if those experiments involved the wanton loss of life.

Modifié par Admoniter, 04 avril 2011 - 04:14 .

[Pwener2313]

I was actually talking about the colony in ME1. The one huskified by Cerberus. But your right about that too Anguis.

[Pwener2313]

Admoniter wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Please clarify? What did you mean? I'm interested.

I hope your not yanking my chain. Here goes.....

People weight a single colony being killed more then saving the entire human race.

[unjustified ignorant rant]

*sigh*

Yes, minimal immoral experiments weight more then saving the Human race. *YOUR* race. I hate the pure ignorancy in people. Cerberus isn't good, but neither is the Council forcing Humanity to take every hit, or the Alliance backstbbing Shepard into a trial even when they know what he did in Arrival. But no, your right, Cerberus is evil. So evil in fact, that they're dedicating every resource to combat the Reapers.

[Krimson_Wolf]

for my Renegade Sheps yes most likely. But no way in hell would my Paragons stay!

[jeweledleah]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Derpiness? I was calm and rational! He's the one that started to rant just like the council did, even when he used to dislike them. What a HIPOCYTE!

"They could be using the threat of a Reaper to manipulate you" I was like; ARE YOU ****ING ME!!??!!?!?!??!

What as **** tha guy is. He backstabbed me just like the Council and the Alliance. Just goes to show, you never really know someone. When I needed a friend the most, he walks on me. **** him in ME3, no matter what he pulls in ME3, he is OUT!!!!!!!!!!

what calm and rational?  Shepard shows up, acts like nothing happened, that he/she wasn't dead for over 2 years and suddenly is alive, working for organization that you spend half the previous game cleaning up after, shepard explains nothing, says nothing concrete, verifies every single suspision Ash/Kaidan have (remember, they tell you that they are investigating dissapearing human colonies becasue they were told Cerberus is behind it, and then there are rumors of you working with them - pair it up with Cerberus being notorious for using aliens to experiment on/use as potential troops)  and you have your motivations. 

they didn't back stab you - you back stabbed them.  say what you will about Council, but alliance, well.... we know different, you know different,  tehy might not be seemingly doing anything out in an open, but have you actualy spoken to Anderson?  Hackett?  have you read shadow broker files?

there's more going on there then you'd like to believe.  its your perogative to ignore some of the information or view it in a different light, of course. just as its our perrogative to take that information into account and reservejudgement or make a different one.

[Admoniter]

Pwener2313 wrote...

*sigh*

Yes, minimal immoral experiments weight more then saving the Human race. *YOUR* race. I hate the pure ignorancy in people. Cerberus isn't good, but neither is the Council forcing Humanity to take every hit, or the Alliance backstbbing Shepard into a trial even when they know what he did in Arrival. But no, your right, Cerberus is evil. So evil in fact, that they're dedicating every resource to combat the Reapers.

You misunderstand I'm not saying they are good they are without a doubt inept morons, they are politicians at heart afterall. That said at its core I disagree with Cerberus goals for human dominance, Human survival is a okay in my book. Furthermore these minimal experiments didn't really pay off, besides you can't use one example of them doing right and then apply the good associated with that one thing and say that all the other experiments are justified because that one saved lives.

Modifié par Admoniter, 04 avril 2011 - 05:09 .