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[Pwener2313]

No. After ME1, you'd think that your crew knew better. For Kaidan to do what he did, he was not loyal to Shepard and will never be in my book. The guy is lost in eyes. Does not know right from wrong and is too fed up with Cerberus that he denies himself the truth. When Shepard needed him the most, he bailed. His excuse? He doesn't like Cerberus. Boo Hoo, well neither did I at first. Damn bastard left me 4 dead and I won't stand for it. I've already forgotten he exists.

[Kaiser Shepard]

At the moment? No, as I don't trust TIM one bit, but I realize working together with them one final time might be necessary at one point. However, if I could cut off the head of the snake and replace it with someone I trust (Jacob, maybe Gillian) or take its place myself... then there might be a future with Cerberus still.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 04 avril 2011 - 04:38 .

[Pwener2313]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

take its place myself...

YES

[implodinggoat]

If given the choice I'm going to tear TIM's pretty blue eyes out of his head and keep them in a jar on my desk.

Don't get me wrong I like his character; but after Akuze, he's got it coming.

[Pwener2313]

implodinggoat wrote...

If given the choice I'm going to tear TIM's pretty blue eyes out of his head and keep them in a jar on my desk.

Oh no! Indoc-

[ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL]

[Golden Owl]

LordAnguis wrote...


To clarify further on Pwener's point, I believe he's referring to the fact that people go on about the Batarian colony in 'The Arrival' and seem to feel that's a majorly bad thing for Shepard to do, despite the fact that Paragon Shepard has the option of warning the colony and is unable to do so due to outside influences (Dr. Kenson).
 On the one hand, we have the single colony of a race that, for the most part, has continued to enslave countless thousands, humans and non-humans, because its part of their culture. The Reapers arriving, and we have to decide whether the cost of 300,000 over the trillions still left in the galaxy is too much to pay. I say it isn't.
 Also, even when you destroy the base, if you use the Renegade dialogue choices in the final conversation with TIM, there's enough that suggests TIM will work with you even after you do that. Paragon options, of course, tell him that you won't work with him.
 If given the option, with the current information at hand, I'd choose to remain with Cerberus or work independently, using both TIM and the Shadow Broker as my allies for information and financial aid. If I chose to get my Spectre status back, I'd defend my choice to work with Cerberus. Besides, the Council really hasn't got any room to say that I can't do that. Two of their Spectres have gone rogue, killing people for another organization/sentient, and I have killed them both. I say I did the galaxy a favor.
 Also, everyone likes to talk about Cerberus's decisions in regards to experiments. Let's see: BAaT, the Eezo 'leaks', and countless other things. The Alliance and the Council are just as liable to fund a project to go awry as Cerberus is. Cerberus, when their projects fail, they scrap them and revise their plans. They 'piggybacked' with the Ascension Project. Now I'll state for the record that I haven't read the novels, but I'll be getting them soon. The main issue people have with Cerberus is the whole 'Grayson' incident, and I admit that's something that concerns me. Also, the child that is on the Flotilla apparently has autism. Being autistic myself, and a supporter of self-advocacy, I personally abhor experiments on 'autistic individuals'. That said, I'm also pragmatic and logical. Cerberus had the option of either working with pliable individuals (children/teens) or working with those who had already formed their view of the world (adults).
 I support Cerberus in regards to their decision to fight the Reapers with any necessary means. Also, considering the ending of 'Arrival', I'd say staying with Cerberus might be the better option, even if ME3 opens as a trial no matter what. We'll just have to see.
 

Thank you LordAnguis, I appreciate your response.

Though I play an ultra paragon Shep myself and I guess am also considered akin to paragon kinda thinking in life too...I do get the 'Arrival' decision, I would feel it tragically necessary myself, though it would leave me devastated during and after...but what other option is there...none.

As for Cereberus though, though they have done one right thing (trying to stop the Reapers)....I see them as otherwise almost akin to the Reapers (maybe worse in some ways, TIM is just downright evil) and I certainly would'nt trust TIM as far as I could spit him when it comes to any access he may have to Reaper technology, yes, I believe he would build his own Reaper and would sacrifice anyone and everyone to do so. I understand sacrifice and see it's necessity in times of great threat...aka. Reapers....but where is the line drawn between what we fight and what we may ourselves become in the process....to what level is one prepared to sink to. It's a balancing act and I think Cereberus given the opportunity would themselves become the equivelant of the Reapers towards the galaxy if given half the chance.

Thats my personal take on it anyway....always up for debate though (not arguement...but a debate) :-)

[Bamboozalist]

No:
My Main Shepard
My "The Universe Hates Me" Shepard
My Diplomatic Shepard
My B*tch Shepard

Yes:
My "The Means Justify the Ends" Shepard
My Douchebag Shepard
My Troll Shepard

Modifié par Bamboozalist, 04 avril 2011 - 04:52 .

[graciegrace]

Nope, I'd be out of there as quick as I possibly could. I can't support them, their actions in ME1 were deplorable. I hated working for them throughout ME2

[ajburges]

I like my Paragade play-through's the most so I'll answer for them.

I prefer the (rogue) Specter route. Like Saren I will keep council backing for as long as possible/convenient.

Cerebus will be denounced/investigated by me (repaint the SR2 to remove the Cerberus logo now) but I would be willing to deal with TIM for info/missions as the Shadow Broker can give me a much needed second opinion on his intel and frankly without Shepard willing to police them they become too much of a problem (ME1 interactions, Overlord, Rhio).

[Nashiktal]

Just a note, the council has only had one specter go rogue in the ME series so far not counting shep. The asari in LOTSB was actually quite legitimate in her actions, though she wasn't aware of the larger cost for the galaxy.

[Golden Owl]

Admoniter wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

*sigh*

Yes, minimal immoral experiments weight more then saving the Human race. *YOUR* race. I hate the pure ignorancy in people. Cerberus isn't good, but neither is the Council forcing Humanity to take every hit, or the Alliance backstbbing Shepard into a trial even when they know what he did in Arrival. But no, your right, Cerberus is evil. So evil in fact, that they're dedicating every resource to combat the Reapers.

You misunderstand I'm not saying they are good they are without a doubt inept morons, they are politicians at heart afterall. That said at its core I disagree with Cerberus goals for human dominance, Human survival is a okay in my book. Furthermore these minimal experiments don't really pay off you can't use on example of them doing right and then apply the good associated with that one thing and say that all the other experiments are justified because that one saved lives.

I second that.

[AngryFrozenWater]

I am first and foremost a Spectre. I was forced into Cerberus. Every cell in Shepard's body hates them. As a player I had no other option. If it turns out that the Council don't want me back then I rather do it on my own. And yes, the Council wasn't very nice to me, but hey... Nobody said that it would be an easy task. After all... Part of the problem is operating autonomously. That has the advantage of freedom and a short chain of command, but in Shepard's case it worked against her. I am willing try again. This time I am in a better position to make a deal. I have saved the galaxy twice and if they don't believe me then I already have a ship, a crew and a... erm... scanner.

Edit: Oops. I meant the Coucil.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 04 avril 2011 - 05:15 .

[Destroy Raiden_]

No I'd happily leave Cerberus if not for the Spectors then for myself and SB.

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 04 avril 2011 - 05:15 .

[Herr Sovereign]

As incompetent as they are at times, they are far better than the Council or Alliance. They brought my Shepard to life, gave me a new Normandy, and are aware of the Reaper threat. Despite their "immoral" methods, they know what it will take when it comes to fighting off the Reapers. I happily gave the Illusive Man and Cerberus the Collector Base. Destroying it would have been a colossal waste of important knowledge and information in the long run. Will it bite me in the ass later? Perhaps and perhaps not. But it's worth the risk.

[sonofalich]

no, xenophobic terrorists aren't my sort of group.

[Destroy Raiden_]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I am first and foremost a Spectre. I was forced into Cerberus. Every cell in Shepard's body hates them. As a player I had no other option. If it turns out that the Council don't want me back then I rather do it on my own. And yes, the Council wasn't very nice to me, but hey... Nobody said that it would be an easy task. After all... Part of the problem is operating autonomously. That has the advantage of freedom and a short chain of command, but in Shepard's case it worked against her. I am willing try again. This time I am in a better position to make a deal. I have saved the galaxy twice and if they don't believe me then I already have a ship, a crew and a... erm... scanner.

Edit: Oops. I meant the Coucil.

^ This. I agree

[Gentleman Moogle]

Personally, I'm hoping to go it on my own for ME3. The alliance is mildly competent at best thanks to Hackett and Anderson, the Council is absolutely hopeless, and Cerberus...

Well, they're Space Al-Queda.

As of right now, the only people I trust are on the Normandy, plus Hackett, Anderson and Wrex.

Oh, and Kal'Reegar.

So yeah, I'm hoping to go totally free-lance on this one, not answering to anyone, just doing what needs to be done to stop those giant bugs.

[AngryFrozenWater]

And the Council and Cerberus are not the only allies. I am sure Liara wants to help Shepard out. The SB has all the info and I take it enough resources to poison the reapers twice.

[XXIceColdXX]

My sole survivor Shepard will quit Cerberus the second he can out of respect of his fallen allies at Akuze.

[CFCSULLY]

I'd rather work for Eclipse

[Pwener2313]

sonofalich wrote...

no, xenophobic terrorists aren't my sort of group.
         Humanity's saviors

Ignorancy; it's the internet after all.......

Modifié par Pwener2313, 04 avril 2011 - 07:03 .

[Fat Headed Wolf]

Nope. They say their intentions are good, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[Nathan Redgrave]

I wouldn't dismiss them as an ally against the Reapers. Despite my detest for the organization, I am perfectly willing to work with the enemy of my enemy.

Actually join Cerberus, though? Not on your life.

[Abispa]

Shepard wouldn't join Cerberus as it is now, but if s/he could change it, or maybe take it over, I could see a future for my Shepard there.

[Caihn]

No.
And since Miranda gave TIM the finger, I have absolutely no reason to stay with them.

This kind of organisation could have been interesting, but I think it needs a different leader and a government or regular military control.