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[sheppard7]

I just saw a Youtube video where this guy turned in Isabela to the Arishok. And he agrees and leaves without a fight. Now I haven't done this yet and doubt I ever will. Basically I would think that would make Act 2 anti-climatic ending to the act. Has anyone done this and felt okay with it aside from possibly just hating Isabela?

[Cutlass Jack]

I tried it just to see what would happen but didn't actually keep it. I found it unsatisfying. Not because of Isabela (she escapes the quinari and steals the book again, which is just hysterical.)

But because the second the Viscount's head went rolling down the stairs, there was no way I was letting the Arishok leave that room breathing. Any sympathy I had for him was gone.

Saving the girl and dueling the Arishok is the most satisfying route to go overall I felt.

[DeathStride]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

I tried it just to see what would happen but didn't actually keep it. I found it unsatisfying. Not because of Isabela (she escapes the quinari and steals the book again, which is just hysterical.)

She does?? LOL.

[Cutlass Jack]

DeathStride wrote...

She does?? LOL.

Yup she does. Its in the codex afterwards.

[Qilune]

I've done both in two games so far (and kept the results). The first time was unsatisfying to me, I dueled the Arishok and had to kill him. He was an honorable character who hated the corruption, ignorance and disease he saw in Kirkwall. Isabela did the right thing by returning the book, but she wasn't a character I'd grown close to, so I felt the loss of the Arishok a waste when I refused to give Isabela to him.

The next time, however, I gladly let the Arishok take the book AND Isabela. Boy, she was pissed. She escaped three days later AND with the book anyway, so good on her. BUT that means the Arishok is uselessly hunting that girl through Thedas, AGAIN, and I'm down a character who's the only one who can use all these dual-handed weapons I keep picking up. Oh, plus everyone acts like you killed the Arishok anyway. I.E. that statue in the docks with some dude's foot on the Arishok's severed head, and guys in the hanged man say I use his skull as a gravy boat.

Well, the next time I play I'll romance Isabela, keep her and kill the Arishok, again. But only because after i gave him the book AND Isabela, he said "Thanks for the tome and the chick, Hawke. Oh, by the way, I'll be back to kill everyone later. BYEEEEEEEE!" Jerk, lol.

Modifié par Qilune, 04 avril 2011 - 06:51 .

[Icy Magebane]

On my first playthrough, I turned her in because I hate companion betrayals and was somewhat sympathetic towards the Arishok. I respected him a little and felt that all the trouble with the Qunari could have been avoided had it not been for Isabela.

Then, I found out about the "Thumbs Up" glitch and started playing games where I never recruited Isabela... I don't know if the two are related, but I also started to really dislike the Arishok. Killing him is, of course, the only option if you don't recruit Isabela, so maybe that's what led me to become more antagonistic towards him... anyway... I did play a game where I became Isabela's rival and didn't turn her in... it was pretty unsatisfying due to the amount of metagaming I had to do. Plus, her Act 3 content is nothing special... I think I was better off just not recruiting her at all.

The point is, I don't regret handing Isabela over, but I prefer to kill the Arishok. Since there's no way to do both, I think I'll just stick to never meeting her.

Modifié par Icy Magebane, 04 avril 2011 - 06:05 .

[LadyBri]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

I tried it just to see what would happen but didn't actually keep it. I found it unsatisfying. Not because of Isabela (she escapes the quinari and steals the book again, which is just hysterical.)

But because the second the Viscount's head went rolling down the stairs, there was no way I was letting the Arishok leave that room breathing. Any sympathy I had for him was gone.

Saving the girl and dueling the Arishok is the most satisfying route to go overall I felt.

I felt very similar.  I did one attempt of turning Isabela over but I just cringed when she yelled at me because, despite her lying about the book in the first place, she had been a good companion and she did come back so that deserved better than my betrayal.

Plus, saving her after she awesomely returns just feels right whether you are doing it as her LI or as her friend.  It makes the duel with the Arishok even more awesome and satisfying, imo.

[Foolsfolly]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

I tried it just to see what would happen but didn't actually keep it. I found it unsatisfying. Not because of Isabela (she escapes the quinari and steals the book again, which is just hysterical.)

But because the second the Viscount's head went rolling down the stairs, there was no way I was letting the Arishok leave that room breathing. Any sympathy I had for him was gone.

Saving the girl and dueling the Arishok is the most satisfying route to go overall I felt.

That was the best part of the whole romance. I felt epic, a feeling that game doesn't allow Hawke to feel too many times.

[Well]

Qilune wrote...

I've done both in two games so far (and kept the results). The first time was unsatisfying to me, I dueled the Arishok and had to kill him. He was an honorable character who hated the corruption, ignorance and disease he saw in Kirkwall. Isabela did the right thing by returning the book, but she wasn't a character I'd grown close to, so I felt the loss of the Arishok a waste when I refused to give Isabela to him.

The next time, however, I gladly let the Arishok take the book AND Isabela. Boy, she was pissed. She escaped three days later AND with the book anyway, so good on her. BUT that means the Arishok is uselessly hunting that girl through Thedas, AGAIN, and I'm down a character who's the only one who can use all these dual-handed weapons I keep picking up. Oh, plus everyone acts like you killed the Arishok anyway. I.E. that statue in the docks with some dude's foot on the Arishok's severed head, and guys in the hanged man say I use his skull as a gravy boat.

Well, the next time I play I'll romance Isabela, keep her and kill the Arishok, again.

Nothing honorable about him.He was no different than Meridith or Anders.He attacked the party with no warning.I was glad to duel him.I didnt give up Isabela because she had the guts to give up the book.

[Iosev]

Isabela is probably my favorite companion in Dragon Age 2, so I don't think I'll be turning her over to the Arishok anytime soon on my playthroughs, but it is definitely good to know that she escapes anyway and takes the relic again, lol; good on her.

What I like is when the Arishok asks for a duel, Isabela is badass enough to want to duel the Arishok herself.

[Super_Fr33k]

In my second playthrough, I was too goody-goody, and not romancing Isabela, so I didn't build a strong enough relationship for her to come back. Her betraying Hawke and disappearing forever is a more satisfying ending to me than turning her over to the Qunari, at least as anti-Isabela outcomes go. I prefer to save her.

She bears only a small portion of the responsibility for the Qunari attack; it was still the Qunari's choice to stay in a city they hated, and still the choice of Petrice and others to antagonize them until violence was their only recourse. Neither she, nor the Qunari, had the honesty or capacity for trust necessary to seek help in recovering the tome. If either had been honest, the tome likely would have been recovered easily and quickly; all of Kirkwall would have been mobilized to find it.

Handing her over to the Qunari also legitimizes the Qun and its brutality. I don't think I'd ever turn her over to them; an option to mercy-kill her would have been nice.

But as I said, I prefer to save her, after stoking the embers of her morality. Redemption is good, and I don't view the Qunari turning into vicious squatters as a justified response to her theft.

It would be cool, in an expansion, to find and confront her if she betrays Hawke or you turn her over to the Qunari.

[Qilune]

He's honorable. He reminds me of Sten, whom I loved as a companion. The Arishok has a task set before him, which is to return a sacred relic of his people, stolen by human thieves, who are hidden away in human lands. He doesn't trust the humans, because he sees nothing respectable about them, which is often reinforced by those who are supposed to be the best of them, like members of the chantry or the templars or the city guard.

While he is a big jerk for throwing a fit and deciding to rampage the streets and cut off that useless Viscount's head off, I'd much rather have this guy thrown at that festering wasteland called "The Tevinter Imperium" Instead, I had to slice his head off, ending a great man, because there wasn't a grey area dialogue option so I could keep the only companion who uses dual weapons, the Arishok grudgingly leaves with the book and no Isabela, and everyone's happy.

This game doesn't do "and everyone's happy" very well.

[Foolsfolly]

I see the Arishok as a reasonable and honorable man....who keeps getting stung by a nest of wasps while he works. Eventually, he's stung too many times and it's time to destroy that bleeding nest.

Modifié par Foolsfolly, 04 avril 2011 - 07:22 .

[Rockworm503]

It was a tough call at first. Not wanting to go one on one with the arishok as a Mage didn't appeal to me... however My hawke was madly in love with Isabella and simply couldn't let her go.

[blothulfur]

Personally I wanted to hand the arishok Isabellas severed head with the tome latched firmly in it's jaws, and then bugger off to Par Vollen.

Meredith, Orsino my rosy arse cheeks bid you and your pre destined conflict bye bye.

[Porenferser]

I do it with pleasure.
First I really liked her (romanced her and stuff), but when it came out that the whole Qunari-Desaster is her fault in big parts, I handed her over.
Why should I kill one of the most important persons of a whole race in order to save a dirty thief?

Unfortunately, Varric says that she managed to escape 3 days later, with the book.
Hopefully I can put my sword into her body next time......
And no, by sword I don't mean.......

[ColdEnd]

I for one liked Isabela; and I don't see how ANY of the qunari nonsense is her fault whatsoever.

She stole an item... an item that the qunari didn't ever have in the first place no less... it is the Arishok's ridgid adherence to the qun that is the cause for the violence. I will give you that he is honorable; in his own way... as is Meredith... but they are both just as hell-bent to concuer heretics and heathens.

[Sabariel]

Isabela has always run off with the book and not come back because my Hawkes all refused to give it to her in the first place.

[NaclynE]

I agree with Sheppard7 even though I havent done that yet.

What still gets me on my first playthrough Is I was a total b***h and ratted on Isabella by saying "Isabella was the one who stole it" and "Im going to kill her the next time I see her". I found that anti-climatic because I was expecting to find her so I can kill her. I never did in the final act. She was permanantly gone bust faded in my roster.

[Darth Krytie]

I always end up refusing because her Act III quest is the only way to get Ambrosia. And you need that to make the Elixer of Heroism. So, for that, it's worth it. If not for that, I'd give her up because I never use her outside her quests and getting enough points for her to stay.

Modifié par Darth Krytie, 04 avril 2011 - 08:59 .

[NaclynE]

laecraft wrote...

When the Arishok asks me to hand her over, I wanted an option to say, "Tell me, Arishok: what would you do, in my place?"

Didn't you get a choice similar to that and you get him saying "If I did I would find her and kill her but the issue is you let it happen regardless since she was among you as one of your travelling companions"? I swear you did.

[TobiTobsen]

laecraft wrote...

When the Arishok asks me to hand her over, I wanted an option to say, "Tell me, Arishok: what would you do, in my place?"

Hand her over, because the Qun demands it. Why are you asking silly questions, bas?

[Ieldra]

This is one of the things I can never do. My reasons:

(1) She came back to return the book. I would not throw that back in her face by betraying her.
(2) The Arishok lost any credit he might have had by attacking the city.
(3) I was always respectful and honest with him to that point, even in the face of his contempt for the city. Now he went too far and I had to take a stand.
(4) Whatever they'd do to her is something I'd hesitate to make my enemies suffer, even less my companions
(5) I dislike qunari culture.

Also, if you romance Isabela, dueling him is just so romantic. A bit cheesy, yes, but in an altogether quite plausible way. Satisfying moments in this game are so rare, this one was just what I needed at that point.

I must say it is hilarious that she escapes a few days later if you turn her in - WITH the book! That outcome is almost worth turning her in. But it wouldn't make me feel any better about it. The best outcome, if you don't take your personal connection to her into account, is her taking the book and not returning. She doesn't bear you any grudges, the qunari don't have their book. Perfect outcome. Except - she isn't at your side.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 04 avril 2011 - 09:31 .