[The Calling spoilers ahead]
In the book, at the end when Fiona gives him their illegitamate son (assumed to be Alistair) she tells Maric that human/elven babies will always be human, and so elves don't interbreed, else they'd die out. I was like "Okay then, no half elf races" then they gives a half elf in DA2. So is the calling non-cannon, or is the prejudice against Fenriel just a society issue, not a gentic one?
So human/elf babies
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It's just societal, he's an elf-blooded human, a human with an elven parent but human just the same.
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Posté 04 avril 2011 - 04:54
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Completely human? Or just phenotype-human but half the genotype is still elf? If two half-elf humans got together, do they have a chance to produce an elf? I'm talking like the 7th grade biology Tt + Tt = TT (human), Tt(human), or tt (elf)?
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Its always a human baby, according to fiona
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Posté 04 avril 2011 - 05:00
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Camenae wrote...
Completely human? Or just phenotype-human but half the genotype is still elf? If two half-elf humans got together, do they have a chance to produce an elf? I'm talking like the 7th grade biology Tt + Tt = TT (human), Tt(human), or tt (elf)?
From what I understand it seems to have it's reasons more in some magical effect rather then pure genetics (linked with their reduced lifespan if they live around humans, whereas Dalish elven lifespans have been getting longer due I assume to a general lack of constant contact with humans). So if that is the case, then no human pairings with elves (even if the human in question is elf-blooded) will produce an elven child.
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Posté 04 avril 2011 - 05:00
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Fenryal is human. 'Elf-blooded' is a slur like bastard.
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Posté 04 avril 2011 - 05:04
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Nothing in The Calling contradicts the idea of elf-blooded humans suffering prejudice. That's what Fiona was afraid of, after all. The prejudice is societal, but I believe the devs have said that there could still be some genetic effects of elf blood. I doubt that Feynriel being a powerful mage is an accident. And Alistair had some natural templar talent- he says he was good at it.
[alfstanna] Coincidence? [/alfstanna]
[alfstanna] Coincidence? [/alfstanna]
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Oh okay. Thats what i had hoped, because otherwise, it wouldn't make sense to have Alistair a full blooded human
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Posté 04 avril 2011 - 05:05
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Addai67 wrote...
Nothing in The Calling contradicts the idea of elf-blooded humans suffering prejudice. That's what Fiona was afraid of, after all. The prejudice is societal, but I believe the devs have said that there could still be some genetic effects of elf blood. I doubt that Feynriel being a powerful mage is an accident. And Alistair had some natural templar talent- he says he was good at it.
[alfstanna] Coincidence? [/alfstanna]
So why aren't the full elves dreamers?
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Posté 04 avril 2011 - 05:07
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Herr Uhl wrote...
So why aren't the full elves dreamers?
Because throwing humans in the mix makes it better. Don't you know humans are awesome and better at everything ever?
Wait, that's Mass Effect logic.. then again it's all becoming the same thing anyway.
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Yeah, i knew it was either societal or the devs messing with the readers by throwing a wrench in their own lore.Addai67 wrote...
Nothing in The Calling contradicts the idea of elf-blooded humans suffering prejudice. That's what Fiona was afraid of, after all. The prejudice is societal, but I believe the devs have said that there could still be some genetic effects of elf blood. I doubt that Feynriel being a powerful mage is an accident. And Alistair had some natural templar talent- he says he was good at it.
[alfstanna] Coincidence? [/alfstanna]
I had hopped it was the former.
hmm good point about the elf blooded humans being magically sensitive, that makes sense
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Posté 04 avril 2011 - 05:09
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Camenae wrote...
Completely human? Or just phenotype-human but half the genotype is still elf? If two half-elf humans got together, do they have a chance to produce an elf? I'm talking like the 7th grade biology Tt + Tt = TT (human), Tt(human), or tt (elf)?
No.
They're reverse asari.
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Because of interaction with humans, not just reproduction, it took away their abilities, didn't it?Herr Uhl wrote...
Addai67 wrote...
Nothing in The Calling contradicts the idea of elf-blooded humans suffering prejudice. That's what Fiona was afraid of, after all. The prejudice is societal, but I believe the devs have said that there could still be some genetic effects of elf blood. I doubt that Feynriel being a powerful mage is an accident. And Alistair had some natural templar talent- he says he was good at it.
[alfstanna] Coincidence? [/alfstanna]
So why aren't the full elves dreamers?
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Posté 04 avril 2011 - 05:54
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Quote: Posted
05/09/07 23:28 (GMT) by showoffsg
Are half-dwarves the only half-something in DA?
Sort of.
There was a time when I think I said that humans and elves interbreeding
produced either fully human or fully elven children. That's changed. Their
offspring is always fully human (albeit possibly with some minor elven physical
traits and therefore such humans are often called "elf-blooded").
But there you go.
Quote: Way
to stick it to the Tolkienites!
The real question is whether doing that results in a half-Tolkienite.
Quote: Posted 05/10/07 12:11 (GMT) by Nighteye2
Right, but what happens when a character has one human great-grandparent, and 7 elven great-grandparents? Would he still be human, or would the elven genes revert back
to elven?
Still fully human, though I suspect the chances of gaining some odd (odd for humans, anyhow) elven appearance traits might be higher in such a circumstance.
Just thought I'd repost this that I copied and kept a while back... And Addai good point about the Templar skills.
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Posté 04 avril 2011 - 05:57
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Herr Uhl wrote...
So why aren't the full elves dreamers?
It's supposed to be a very rare thing in "Current" times, isn't it?
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I'm sure there are some, but dreamers are said to be very rare.Herr Uhl wrote...
So why aren't the full elves dreamers?
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Half Dwarves? Where?Maria13 wrote...
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Posted: Wednesday, 09 May 2007 11:33PM
Quote: Posted
05/09/07 23:28 (GMT) by showoffsg
Are half-dwarves the only half-something in DA?
Sort of.
There was a time when I think I said that humans and elves interbreeding
produced either fully human or fully elven children. That's changed. Their
offspring is always fully human (albeit possibly with some minor elven physical
traits and therefore such humans are often called "elf-blooded").
But there you go.
Quote: Way
to stick it to the Tolkienites!
The real question is whether doing that results in a half-Tolkienite.
Quote: Posted 05/10/07 12:11 (GMT) by Nighteye2
Right, but what happens when a character has one human great-grandparent, and 7 elven great-grandparents? Would he still be human, or would the elven genes revert back
to elven?
Still fully human, though I suspect the chances of gaining some odd (odd for humans, anyhow) elven appearance traits might be higher in such a circumstance.
Just thought I'd repost this that I copied and kept a while back... And Addai good point about the Templar skills.
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Posté 04 avril 2011 - 06:16
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The child of a dwarf and a human is a half-dwarf.
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Posté 04 avril 2011 - 06:21
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Well, how can that be when Fenerel(sp?) has pointed ears? How can he be "fully human"?
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Feynriel seems "prettier" than the average human, but that's about it. And why on earth did his mom pick the dad? Gross, especially since the mom is one of the less hideous elves.
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Camenae wrote...
Feynriel seems "prettier" than the average human, but that's about it. And why on earth did his mom pick the dad? Gross, especially since the mom is one of the less hideous elves.
He might have been quite the looker all those years ago.
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Camenae wrote...
Feynriel seems "prettier" than the average human, but that's about it. And why on earth did his mom pick the dad? Gross, especially since the mom is one of the less hideous elves.
Latin charm I assume.
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Posté 04 avril 2011 - 06:57
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thurmanator692 wrote...
Its always a human baby, according to fiona
awhile back on the DA:O forums there was a thread about this very thing and how it's impossible (by our genetic standards in the real world) and Gaider came in and said himself...that no...Human/Elf babies are ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, human. Real world be damned.
so it wasn't just a comment Fiona makes in a book. It was from one of the creators. Make sense or not. Always Human.
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Posté 04 avril 2011 - 07:06
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The question is what happens when a dwarf, and a human have a child. What does half-dwarf look like?
