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[Scnew]

I would have loved having to hide my mage-ing from the Templars. The obvious comparison is Baldur's Gate 2, my imported character from the first game was a wizard and having the magic restriction in the city didn't hurt the experience in the slightest. Of course, Baldur's Gate 2 also allowed you to LEAVE said city...

[nicethugbert]

I think there is enough corruption in Kirkwall to make it possible to play a mage. But, it will have some very different twists from playing a Rogue or Warrior which have very much the same story. I think there would need to be lots of bribery and disguise. There would need to be different dialog and quests to be able to get around and get things done.

The mage staves would need to be hidden. Perhaps they could look like regular weapons until you press a button and it becomes more magey.

[HenchxNarf]

I believe you ARE supposed to be a mage.

Meredith herself says that she can overlook your use of magic so long as you're helping the city. Saying basically, she could get fudge-all about it so long as you're of use to you. And then she'll execute you when you're no longer useful.

Look at it this way, you're doing stuff for the Viscount and the Chantry. They'll overlook the obvious for the help. Plus, they can use the fact that you are a mage to lure out other hidden apostates.

[Hatchetman77]

All I really want is dialouge options that acknowlege that the person is a mage (or at least subtly hint that the person knows but isn't going to do anything about it).  It could have been a funny in joke in the game.

[Jman5]

Hatchetman77 wrote...

All I really want is dialouge options that acknowlege that the person is a mage (or at least subtly hint that the person knows but isn't going to do anything about it).  It could have been a funny in joke in the game.

There were several, but I believe there should have been more obvious reasons to explain why you are essentially above the law from day 1.

In Mass Effect you are a Spectre which puts you above the law. Same thing with Dragon Age Origins; You are a Gray Warden and effectively exempt from any rules regarding mages.

Dragon Age 2 doesn't really have that and they don't explain with any satisfaction why you can murder people all around you and use blood magic in the gallows. I mean at the very least Aveline could have deputized you or something. Even if you play as 100% good guy you are essentially no better than one of those gangs you fight at night.

Modifié par Jman5, 06 avril 2011 - 12:59 .

[The_FenixV]

Jman5 wrote...

Hatchetman77 wrote...

All I really want is dialouge options that acknowlege that the person is a mage (or at least subtly hint that the person knows but isn't going to do anything about it).  It could have been a funny in joke in the game.

There were several, but I believe there should have been more obvious reasons to explain why you are essentially above the law from day 1.

In Mass Effect you are a Spectre which puts you above the law. Same thing with Dragon Age Origins; You are a Gray Warden and effectively exempt from any rules regarding mages.

Dragon Age 2 doesn't really have that and they don't explain with any satisfaction why you can murder people all around you and use blood magic in the gallows. I mean at the very least Aveline could have deputized you or something. Even if you play as 100% good guy you are essentially no better than one of those gangs you fight at night.

There was still some bugs in Origins like the possibility of making Wynne a blood mage which is against her character. Plus I don't think the above the law really applies to a Warden, they just deleted certain things otherwise the broken tower quest would of been all for nothing.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Rockpopple wrote...

Well since we're just pitching spoilers all ovah the place...

Not only is Hawke a noble in Act II, he's got the Viscount's ear.

We've been shown nobility doesn't stop you from being sent to the Circle(Emile de Launcet) and you don't really have the Viscount's ear until after you find his son. If you recall your steward won't allow you near him. So really the mage thing is an issue up until the end of Act II.

[Taura-Tierno]

I don't mind suspending my disbelief about the mage problem. I do mind it a bit more with the blood mage spec, though. If an apostate is bad, a proven blood mage is a 100 times worse. I could see some templars (like maybe Cullen) accepting that Hawke helped him, saved his life and such, and thus not take him in. But if Hawke's a blood mage ... no.

One way to solve the problem would've been to introduce a plot armor against a mage Hawke, like the Warden had in DA:O. The problem there, of course, would've been that since no such thing was ever mentioned in DA:O, it would've felt a bit forced to have something very similar in DA2.

I would not have appreciated random fights with templars, though. I never really liked those fights with the Cowled Wizards in BG2. And there, you were just a visitor. This is a city you live in for several years. If the templars encountered you that many times, they would recognise you sooner or later, and just hunt you down completely. Wouldn't feel right if they just attacked me whenever I perform magic, or in random encounters, but not at the house.

One reason why Hawke's so difficult to find for templars, though, might be Aveline? I mean, I would assume that the city guards sometimes get reports about apostates, if people don't want to talk to the templars direclty (and risk guilt by association), so they're like a go-between. Now, if a report about Hawke landed on Aveline's desk ... it might just accidentally disappear? Would have been nice if that had been mentioned, in that case, though. Something similar could've been implemented for the templars as well; give mage Hawke a strong ally among them, who could cover his tracks and keep the templars off his back. And maybe some kind of side-quest would involve helping that ally doing just that. 

Modifié par Taura-Tierno, 06 avril 2011 - 06:59 .

[CitizenThom]

That sounds like a good idea. Forgive me clunky comparison... but the Templars could treat Hawke (even as a blood mage) as something similar to Hellboy. Sure, they know what he is, but they trust his motives, and they keep a squad of Templars handy to deal with him if he turns bad. Maybe a Hawke mage gets treated in a Qunari-light fashion... through history there have always been groups that are considered an 'evil' of some sort, while at the same time keeping those groups around so they could practice 'evil' through them.

[Rockpopple]

You know, playing the game yesterday I noticed that there are only a few areas and times where you'll fight in front of Templars in Act I, and most of those Templars are either looking for your help or sympathetic towards Mages, and the ones that aren't... most of them you're killing yourself.

In the city, the fights take place at night. There are very few witnesses, most of them are guards - not Templars. Guards can probably be made to look away since you're doing their job for them.

Honestly, after looking at it last night, I'd say Cullen is the biggest thing that weird's out the Mageplay in Act I. I'll have to replay Act II to see how things go there.

[LocutusX]

aftohsix wrote...

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

A plot hole as large as a black hole still is a plot hole, no matter how nice it may look.

Yes.  I get that.  What I'm asking is how could Bioware have handled this better, given the lore and the time limits on development?

You guys can't all want to whine about it but not discuss it.

Well, just thinking about it for 30 seconds, I lean towards some sort of "special permit" (or "artifact", in high fantasy terms) for magery that only the PC has. Maybe having something to do with the PC's father, who was supposedly a well-known and uber-powerful mage.

So, despite the fact that Kirkwall is anti-magi, the PC has inherited an artifact of some sort which guarantees the Templars won't touch him.
And there's only ONE artifact so of course Bethany is unprotected.

OR...

Have the original "Sir Carver" remain alive and well, although not in charge. What influence he DOES have, he uses to keep the PC protected
from Meredith up until the Arishok battle (maybe he dies heroically in that battle) - and of course, AFTER the Arishok battle the PC has become
untouchable due to transforming into the Champion of K.

In short, there are a bunch of ways the creative writers of BioWare could have implemented this. We know they could have, because they did similar
things in previous games. Perhaps if they had an extra year something could have been done...

[LocutusX]

The mage staves would need to be hidden. Perhaps they could look like regular weapons until you press a button and it becomes more magey.

You mean like light-sabres?

Or more James Bond-ish?

That's a nice idea for a mod!

Oh wait, no toolset... never mind.