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[Rockpopple]

Dude, you're 100% about Cullen. I thought Wesley was talking to both of you, but whatever.

But those are some spoileriffic spoilers you got there. Maybe you should edit your post so it's not as spoily. Most of us in this thread will know what you're talking about anyway.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Rockpopple wrote...

Dude, you're 100% about Cullen. I thought Wesley was talking to both of you, but whatever.

But those are some spoileriffic spoilers you got there. Maybe you should edit your post so it's not as spoily. Most of us in this thread will know what you're talking about anyway.

Wesley says "Apostate" as opposed to "Apostates". The conversation went exactly as it did with my rogue and Bethany responding as if she'd been the subject of Wesley's attention. So yeah, he basically ignores Hawke.XD

And I know my idea to include mage Hawke would require more game development but it's the only way to make sense of it all.

Modifié par MelfinaofOutlawStar, 04 avril 2011 - 08:16 .

[Rockpopple]

Yeah, thinking back on it, you're right, he did focus right on Bethany. Right from the get-go. *sigh*. BioWare, I love you seriously, but this is just poor cheese. Like I said, they've been doing stuff like this since at least DA:O, and it needs to stop. Meh.

[Persephone]

Rockpopple wrote...

Yeah, thinking back on it, you're right, he did focus right on Bethany. Right from the get-go. *sigh*. BioWare, I love you seriously, but this is just poor cheese. Like I said, they've been doing stuff like this since at least DA:O, and it needs to stop. Meh.

Well, Mage Hawke's responses ARE different. (I esp. like the snarky one). But good point.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Rockpopple wrote...

Yeah, thinking back on it, you're right, he did focus right on Bethany. Right from the get-go. *sigh*. BioWare, I love you seriously, but this is just poor cheese. Like I said, they've been doing stuff like this since at least DA:O, and it needs to stop. Meh.

Poor Hawke. No body cares about you.D=

[Persephone]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

Yeah, thinking back on it, you're right, he did focus right on Bethany. Right from the get-go. *sigh*. BioWare, I love you seriously, but this is just poor cheese. Like I said, they've been doing stuff like this since at least DA:O, and it needs to stop. Meh.

Poor Hawke. No body cares about you.D=

This made me giggle.

[Persephone]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

I don't even care about Hawke.She's just a wanna-be Shepard without renegade-interrupts.And we could decide Shepard's origin story, as well.

I much prefer Hawke to Shepard. And Shep's "Origin" really did not matter much anyway.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

I don't even care about Hawke.She's just a wanna-be Shepard without renegade-interrupts.And we could decide Shepard's origin story, as well.

I like Shepard because the character has a sense of justice. Were Hawke to be in posession of the same backbone that Shepard had the game would have ended differently than "I will love you forever" and "I will kill you now!"

There's no middle ground. Diplomatic Hawke isn't so diplotmatic as they are a giant pansy. Paragon Shepard is written way better.

Modifié par MelfinaofOutlawStar, 04 avril 2011 - 08:31 .

[Rockpopple]

Personally I like that Hawke's not the uber-hero like Shepard or the Savior of All Mankind like the Warden. I like that s/he's sometimes a selfish pickle who just wants to get by and who gets swept up in big events, rather than cause them.

But I can see the criticism of those that didn't like that.

[Persephone]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

It was a choice, nevertheless.Also, I felt as Shep accomplished things.The closest Hawke got to being a hero was Act 2, and even that was one, giant coincidence.

They are completely different people living in completely different universes.

I felt I accomplished something as Hawke, as my Warden, as Shepard....different things. But good just the same.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Rockpopple wrote...

Personally I like that Hawke's not the uber-hero like Shepard or the Savior of All Mankind like the Warden. I like that s/he's sometimes a selfish pickle who just wants to get by and who gets swept up in big events, rather than cause them.

But I can see the criticism of those that didn't like that.

Yeah, in romances I felt like they got Stephanie Meyer to sit in on the writting. Some of it was truely cringe-worthy. Thankfully you don't have to romance anyone.

[Aireoth]

They could easily make a game where being a mage was actually a challenge, and you had to think about when and where to act. Problem with this is two fold in DA2.

A) Its a hack'em up, the RP is lite and story is contrived, implementing reactions to Mage characters would have required more thought in the level design, encounters, and NPC programming. The game is rushed, so thats not going to happen.

The general gaming public couldn't handle it, people would be screaming bloody murder because they cast a spell with a templar around and got slaughtered. Too much thinking for the average player.

Baldurs Gate 2 did something similar when you first get out of Irenicus' dungeon, no spell casting till you get a permit basically. They could have implemented something similar...

Modifié par Aireoth, 04 avril 2011 - 08:41 .

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

See I felt Hawke was an observer with bad timing. The affairs of the ungrateful peoples of Kirkwall no longer concerned me partway through I often wondered why I should stay.>_<

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

Personally I like that Hawke's not the uber-hero like Shepard or the Savior of All Mankind like the Warden. I like that s/he's sometimes a selfish pickle who just wants to get by and who gets swept up in big events, rather than cause them.

But I can see the criticism of those that didn't like that.

Yeah, in romances I felt like they got Stephanie Meyer to sit in on the writting. Some of it was truely cringe-worthy. Thankfully you don't have to romance anyone.

This.Why wasn't there any well written romances like Alistair

Yeah, the responses were at least subtle from your character. Hawke had no tact when it came to flirting. At least act like you're playing hard to get and not deperate for gentleman sausage.

[Kajan451]

@OP

What a weak excuse is that? Realistically they could have taken it into account and have people react to Hawke being a Mage.

They could have gone as far as him being protected from being pursued by the Templars because he is a nobel and has influence. They could have come up with all sort of explaination, including a honor or life debt of the Arishok and him threatening Kirkwall with a whole invasion should they not stay their hand.

They could have made him a Grey Warden or they could have created a whole new Group of people who hold enough power over the Chantry in Kirkwall to Protect Hawke.


They could made Hawke an Apostate forcing the player to choose to either be forced to fight his way every step of the way for being overt with his powers. They could have writen a whole story about how it is to be an Apostate, especially with so many Story Points revolving around that very fact.

Bethany and Meril and Anders.. all 3... constantly cry, whine and **** about needing to be careful not to be detected and all that nonsense. If they already put so much focus on that, it just makes it appear more stupid if acting all openly as Mage has no consequences.

There is no part of Suspense of Disbelieve in this, because you could make that claim only if they wouldn't constantly turn the very fear of the mages around hawke (or hawke himself) a central plotpoint of their characters. But they do... so all they manage is make it seem incomplete.


And for all it is worth... realistically.. they could have added a month or two to the very short development time and actually included Templars and people noticing him being a Mage and him hanging out with wanted people.

But realistically they didn't. And thats not because they couldn't have done it differently. They could have, they just choose not to, for whatever reason.

And so its just one more piece of this game that appears rushed and incomplete.

[Kimberly Shaw]

The general gaming public couldn't handle it, people would be screaming bloody murder because they cast a spell with a templar around and got slaughtered. Too much thinking for the average player.

Which makes me reminisce for the days of BG2, when if the story like this one called for mages to be imprisoned, the gamer was warned once, then arrested/slaughtered unless they did a quest which explained why they were allowed to cast spells during the day in the city (okay not a deep quest just bribing the right official).

The average player can't handle it anymore <insert console/PC elitist remark>

[Persephone]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

Personally I like that Hawke's not the uber-hero like Shepard or the Savior of All Mankind like the Warden. I like that s/he's sometimes a selfish pickle who just wants to get by and who gets swept up in big events, rather than cause them.

But I can see the criticism of those that didn't like that.

Yeah, in romances I felt like they got Stephanie Meyer to sit in on the writting. Some of it was truely cringe-worthy. Thankfully you don't have to romance anyone.

This.Why wasn't there any well written romances like Alistair

Yeah, the responses were at least subtle from your character. Hawke had no tact when it came to flirting. At least act like you're playing hard to get and not deperate for gentleman sausage.

I adore Alistair. But the whole "So you've never been laid?", "Have a rose cuz you are pretty like one" romance ain't Shakespeare.

[Rockpopple]

Hmm. I think the romance with Fenris was exceptionally well done. Actually I thought all the romances in the game were very well done, with the exception of Anders. The romance with Anders was very soap-operahish, but Fenris especially was very good. Better than Alistair, imo and on par with Zevran. I find Fenris' struggles with his past much more compelling than the fact that Alistair never got laid. Plus, a guy who's into dwarves, elves and people is kinda... well... whatever.

Modifié par Rockpopple, 04 avril 2011 - 08:47 .

[Rockpopple]

Kimberly Shaw wrote...

The general gaming public couldn't handle it, people would be screaming bloody murder because they cast a spell with a templar around and got slaughtered. Too much thinking for the average player.

Which makes me reminisce for the days of BG2, when if the story like this one called for mages to be imprisoned, the gamer was warned once, then arrested/slaughtered unless they did a quest which explained why they were allowed to cast spells during the day in the city (okay not a deep quest just bribing the right official).

The average player can't handle it anymore <insert console/PC elitist remark>

Well it is an elitist remark. There's no evidence whatsoever that the average gamer couldn't handle it. In fact I'm quite sure the average gamer would embrace that kind of challenge. It was a design choice, not a choice based on some made-up fact that the average gamer is too a-stupid to get it.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Rockpopple wrote...

Hmm. I think the romance with Fenris was exceptionally well done. Actually I thought all the romances in the game were very well done, with the exception of Anders. The romance with Anders was very soap-operahish, but Fenris especially was very good. Better than Alistair, imo and on par with Zevran. I find Fenris' struggles with his past much more compelling than the fact that Alistair never got laid. Plus, a guy who's into dwarves, elves and people is kinda... well... whatever.

Fenris was good. There was a lot of push and pull. Anders spent the whole game telling you not to fall for him but then complained when you shared your bed with others. This is where a renegade interrupt would have worked immensly.

[Tripedius]

Actually at the start of act III Meridith knows your an apostate and she fine with that to a point (with you being champion and all). So this is not a limitation but needs a better plot twist. And in BGII you were not allowed to use magic in the city at first (you could buy a permit later). Combine these two and voila you have a believable reason why you being a mage isnt a problem.

In other words, bad writing and just laziness from BW.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Persephone wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

Personally I like that Hawke's not the uber-hero like Shepard or the Savior of All Mankind like the Warden. I like that s/he's sometimes a selfish pickle who just wants to get by and who gets swept up in big events, rather than cause them.

But I can see the criticism of those that didn't like that.

Yeah, in romances I felt like they got Stephanie Meyer to sit in on the writting. Some of it was truely cringe-worthy. Thankfully you don't have to romance anyone.

This.Why wasn't there any well written romances like Alistair

Yeah, the responses were at least subtle from your character. Hawke had no tact when it came to flirting. At least act like you're playing hard to get and not deperate for gentleman sausage.

I adore Alistair. But the whole "So you've never been laid?", "Have a rose cuz you are pretty like one" romance ain't Shakespeare.

Asking him about his sexual inexperience is only an option. The rose thing can be attributed to the fact the dude basically had no experience with women.