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[Persephone]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

Hmm. I think the romance with Fenris was exceptionally well done. Actually I thought all the romances in the game were very well done, with the exception of Anders. The romance with Anders was very soap-operahish, but Fenris especially was very good. Better than Alistair, imo and on par with Zevran. I find Fenris' struggles with his past much more compelling than the fact that Alistair never got laid. Plus, a guy who's into dwarves, elves and people is kinda... well... whatever.

Fenris was good. There was a lot of push and pull. Anders spent the whole game telling you not to fall for him but then complained when you shared your bed with others. This is where a renegade interrupt would have worked immensly.

He only keeps telling you that if you flirt with him constantly. And if you THEN share your bed with others and or shoot him down, the jealousy is warranted.

But I WOULD have liked Renegade interruptions for Anders, oh YES!

[vitae-vixi]

Rockpopple wrote...

Kimberly Shaw wrote...

The general gaming public couldn't handle it, people would be screaming bloody murder because they cast a spell with a templar around and got slaughtered. Too much thinking for the average player.

Which makes me reminisce for the days of BG2, when if the story like this one called for mages to be imprisoned, the gamer was warned once, then arrested/slaughtered unless they did a quest which explained why they were allowed to cast spells during the day in the city (okay not a deep quest just bribing the right official).

The average player can't handle it anymore <insert console/PC elitist remark>

Well it is an elitist remark. There's no evidence whatsoever that the average gamer couldn't handle it. In fact I'm quite sure the average gamer would embrace that kind of challenge. It was a design choice, not a choice based on some made-up fact that the average gamer is too a-stupid to get it.

Um... Assassins Creed anyone? You run into someone and the guards attack you and it's an incredibly popular game with a large player base... =.=; Obviously the players CAN handle it =.=;

Anyway - The only reasonable thing they could have done would be to force you to be a Mage and then they could have added all sorts of interesting dynamics... or just been lazy and not bothered.

That aside, that could have worked if you could have full customisation of your companions. Sure I like playing a rogue over a warrior or mage, but as long as I could customise a rogue character and swtich to them I'd be happy ^^; same with warriors etc.

[Alex Kershaw]

Which means the fault is in the Kirkwall design.

[Sheogorath27]

I think the mages are the most fun class in most rpgs especially da2 and I don't think its that big of a plot hole. Just use your imagination a little bit people.
1. There are allllllot of apostates in Kirkwall and the templars arent going to go chasing every little old rumor of someone doing magic unless it was particuarly malevolant which none of the quests really are. Even if you play Hawke as a Jerk.
2. The first year either the smugglers or the mercenaries pay off the corupt templars not to take notice of you and that may extend even past the first year.
3. after the deep road one of the main reasons that you went to on the expidition was to get money and/or a title to hide behind that again the templars couldn't go after you.
4. Aveline is Captain of the guard and I am willing to bet she turned away allot of templar interest in you.
5. After you defeat the Qunari everyone does know you are an apostate, Meredith secifically says so on multiple occasions, you have free reign because you are champion an ancient honorific that hadn't been given out in the free marches in ages (read the codex for the mantle of the champion) and they won't touch you. So really it all makes sense people.....Mages Rule!!

Modifié par Sheogorath27, 04 avril 2011 - 08:59 .

[Persephone]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

Personally I like that Hawke's not the uber-hero like Shepard or the Savior of All Mankind like the Warden. I like that s/he's sometimes a selfish pickle who just wants to get by and who gets swept up in big events, rather than cause them.

But I can see the criticism of those that didn't like that.

Yeah, in romances I felt like they got Stephanie Meyer to sit in on the writting. Some of it was truely cringe-worthy. Thankfully you don't have to romance anyone.

This.Why wasn't there any well written romances like Alistair

Yeah, the responses were at least subtle from your character. Hawke had no tact when it came to flirting. At least act like you're playing hard to get and not deperate for gentleman sausage.

I adore Alistair. But the whole "So you've never been laid?", "Have a rose cuz you are pretty like one" romance ain't Shakespeare.

At least it was much more charming and fun than any other of the male romance options in DA2.Fenris and Anders are basically the same whining emo Twilight ****s.

No, they REALLY are not. They are very different and unlike Edward Cullen, they are evolving characters. I like angst and drama. You like fluff and fun. Both are nice. Why diss either? 

[Kimberly Shaw]

Rockpopple wrote...
Well it is an elitist remark. There's no evidence whatsoever that the average gamer couldn't handle it. In fact I'm quite sure the average gamer would embrace that kind of challenge. It was a design choice, not a choice based on some made-up fact that the average gamer is too a-stupid to get it.

I agree with you, *I* think the average player likely could handle it.  Sorry I wasn't implying it was my feeling the average gamer is a dumbo.  Rather I think the design decision not to have mages harrassed for casting spells (as they were in BG2) was made based on the assumption by Bioware that the average gamer couldn't handle it. 

Perhaps I am wrong in this and it was simply they were too rushed to implement Mage = Outlaw properly, or even more likley, both reasons are true to an extent.

Would love some Bioware feedback.

[Kimberly Shaw]

Guys, romances are for another thread. Stop hijacking. Seriously.

[Persephone]

Kimberly Shaw wrote...

Guys, romances are for another thread. Stop hijacking. Seriously.

Good point. Romances should be discussed in the Spoiler Forums anyway.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Persephone wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

Personally I like that Hawke's not the uber-hero like Shepard or the Savior of All Mankind like the Warden. I like that s/he's sometimes a selfish pickle who just wants to get by and who gets swept up in big events, rather than cause them.

But I can see the criticism of those that didn't like that.

Yeah, in romances I felt like they got Stephanie Meyer to sit in on the writting. Some of it was truely cringe-worthy. Thankfully you don't have to romance anyone.

This.Why wasn't there any well written romances like Alistair

Yeah, the responses were at least subtle from your character. Hawke had no tact when it came to flirting. At least act like you're playing hard to get and not deperate for gentleman sausage.

I adore Alistair. But the whole "So you've never been laid?", "Have a rose cuz you are pretty like one" romance ain't Shakespeare.

At least it was much more charming and fun than any other of the male romance options in DA2.Fenris and Anders are basically the same whining emo Twilight ****s.

No, they REALLY are not. They are very different and unlike Edward Cullen, they are evolving characters. I like angst and drama. You like fluff and fun. Both are nice. Why diss either? 

Anders didn't evolve at all unless you took the rival path. He stays pissy and broody the entire game until his blow up at the end of which you cannot prevent.

[tiernanls]

maybe im in the minority but i cant think of too many examples where i was using magic in front of the templars or the general public until the climax of act 2. and on the rare occasion when i did use magic in fornt of a templar i got the "i saw you use magic, but you helped me so i wont care" response from them, or i flat had to kill them all. i totally agree it wasnt done enough, but its not as blatantly disregarded as many of you make it out.

what irked me was the blood magic. if you use any blood magic spell everyone in your party but merrill should absolutely flip, and it should be a devisive topic from there on. there was a lot of potential there, but they didnt take advantage of it. if anders is walking around lecturing merrill all the time why in the hell is he constantly trying to get in the sack with my blood magic using ass?

also ive completed 3 playthroughs now, and without divulging any spoilers all im gonna say is i really could have lived without a mage playable class. if i were to go on the principles my warden learned in his circle experience from origins i would say easily 90% of the mages in kirkwall deserve to die. they all dabble in blood magic. seriously. how can so many templars be so accepting of this?

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Persephone wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

Hmm. I think the romance with Fenris was exceptionally well done. Actually I thought all the romances in the game were very well done, with the exception of Anders. The romance with Anders was very soap-operahish, but Fenris especially was very good. Better than Alistair, imo and on par with Zevran. I find Fenris' struggles with his past much more compelling than the fact that Alistair never got laid. Plus, a guy who's into dwarves, elves and people is kinda... well... whatever.

Fenris was good. There was a lot of push and pull. Anders spent the whole game telling you not to fall for him but then complained when you shared your bed with others. This is where a renegade interrupt would have worked immensly.

He only keeps telling you that if you flirt with him constantly. And if you THEN share your bed with others and or shoot him down, the jealousy is warranted.

But I WOULD have liked Renegade interruptions for Anders, oh YES!

He did that and I didn't even flirt with the idiot once.

[Persephone]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

Personally I like that Hawke's not the uber-hero like Shepard or the Savior of All Mankind like the Warden. I like that s/he's sometimes a selfish pickle who just wants to get by and who gets swept up in big events, rather than cause them.

But I can see the criticism of those that didn't like that.

Yeah, in romances I felt like they got Stephanie Meyer to sit in on the writting. Some of it was truely cringe-worthy. Thankfully you don't have to romance anyone.

This.Why wasn't there any well written romances like Alistair

Yeah, the responses were at least subtle from your character. Hawke had no tact when it came to flirting. At least act like you're playing hard to get and not deperate for gentleman sausage.

I adore Alistair. But the whole "So you've never been laid?", "Have a rose cuz you are pretty like one" romance ain't Shakespeare.

At least it was much more charming and fun than any other of the male romance options in DA2.Fenris and Anders are basically the same whining emo Twilight ****s.

No, they REALLY are not. They are very different and unlike Edward Cullen, they are evolving characters. I like angst and drama. You like fluff and fun. Both are nice. Why diss either? 

Anders didn't evolve at all unless you took the rival path. He stays pissy and broody the entire game until his blow up at the end of which you cannot prevent.

Not in my game. I do agree that the rivalry path offers more insight however. Which is why I'm glad I played both.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Alex Kershaw wrote...

Which means the fault is in the Kirkwall design.

This is why I said it would have made more sense if you had to flee halfway through to a refuge like Starkhaven. Staying in Kirkwall limited any potential options.

[Rockpopple]

Kimberly Shaw wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...
Well it is an elitist remark. There's no evidence whatsoever that the average gamer couldn't handle it. In fact I'm quite sure the average gamer would embrace that kind of challenge. It was a design choice, not a choice based on some made-up fact that the average gamer is too a-stupid to get it.

I agree with you, *I* think the average player likely could handle it.  Sorry I wasn't implying it was my feeling the average gamer is a dumbo.  Rather I think the design decision not to have mages harrassed for casting spells (as they were in BG2) was made based on the assumption by Bioware that the average gamer couldn't handle it. 

Perhaps I am wrong in this and it was simply they were too rushed to implement Mage = Outlaw properly, or even more likley, both reasons are true to an extent.

Would love some Bioware feedback.

I see. My apologies, tho to be fair to me I was directing my ire to the dude you quoted from... but regardless I see your point that perhaps it was BioWare underestimating the average fan. Maybe. Some input to this would be nice.

But I suppose it's not that big a deal in the end. Save for certain characters like Cullen, I can make up a story like (I forget your name, sorry ) the poster above us did as to why Hawke got away with being an Apostate in the most anti-Apostate City-State in Thedas. At least one that's only adequate.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Persephone wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

Personally I like that Hawke's not the uber-hero like Shepard or the Savior of All Mankind like the Warden. I like that s/he's sometimes a selfish pickle who just wants to get by and who gets swept up in big events, rather than cause them.

But I can see the criticism of those that didn't like that.

Yeah, in romances I felt like they got Stephanie Meyer to sit in on the writting. Some of it was truely cringe-worthy. Thankfully you don't have to romance anyone.

This.Why wasn't there any well written romances like Alistair

Yeah, the responses were at least subtle from your character. Hawke had no tact when it came to flirting. At least act like you're playing hard to get and not deperate for gentleman sausage.

I adore Alistair. But the whole "So you've never been laid?", "Have a rose cuz you are pretty like one" romance ain't Shakespeare.

At least it was much more charming and fun than any other of the male romance options in DA2.Fenris and Anders are basically the same whining emo Twilight ****s.

No, they REALLY are not. They are very different and unlike Edward Cullen, they are evolving characters. I like angst and drama. You like fluff and fun. Both are nice. Why diss either? 

Anders didn't evolve at all unless you took the rival path. He stays pissy and broody the entire game until his blow up at the end of which you cannot prevent.

Not in my game. I do agree that the rivalry path offers more insight however. Which is why I'm glad I played both.

Then it's down to opnion. You clearly saw evolution where I saw none. It's safe to say though the game kept us to the same conclusion.

[Persephone]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Persephone wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

Hmm. I think the romance with Fenris was exceptionally well done. Actually I thought all the romances in the game were very well done, with the exception of Anders. The romance with Anders was very soap-operahish, but Fenris especially was very good. Better than Alistair, imo and on par with Zevran. I find Fenris' struggles with his past much more compelling than the fact that Alistair never got laid. Plus, a guy who's into dwarves, elves and people is kinda... well... whatever.

Fenris was good. There was a lot of push and pull. Anders spent the whole game telling you not to fall for him but then complained when you shared your bed with others. This is where a renegade interrupt would have worked immensly.

He only keeps telling you that if you flirt with him constantly. And if you THEN share your bed with others and or shoot him down, the jealousy is warranted.

But I WOULD have liked Renegade interruptions for Anders, oh YES!

He did that and I didn't even flirt with the idiot once.

Ok, that IS odd and should not happen. Sounds like a bug. Post a bug report with the dialogue options you picked at the Technical Forum so Bioware can look into it. Because his constant "I'll break your heart" responses should only trigger if you flirt with him.

[Persephone]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Then it's down to opnion. You clearly saw evolution where I saw none. It's safe to say though the game kept us to the same conclusion.

That IS true. I also wonder who was actually in charge when....argh...spoilers. Anyway, back on topic! 

Modifié par Persephone, 04 avril 2011 - 09:09 .

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Persephone wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Persephone wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

Hmm. I think the romance with Fenris was exceptionally well done. Actually I thought all the romances in the game were very well done, with the exception of Anders. The romance with Anders was very soap-operahish, but Fenris especially was very good. Better than Alistair, imo and on par with Zevran. I find Fenris' struggles with his past much more compelling than the fact that Alistair never got laid. Plus, a guy who's into dwarves, elves and people is kinda... well... whatever.

Fenris was good. There was a lot of push and pull. Anders spent the whole game telling you not to fall for him but then complained when you shared your bed with others. This is where a renegade interrupt would have worked immensly.

He only keeps telling you that if you flirt with him constantly. And if you THEN share your bed with others and or shoot him down, the jealousy is warranted.

But I WOULD have liked Renegade interruptions for Anders, oh YES!

He did that and I didn't even flirt with the idiot once.

Ok, that IS odd and should not happen. Sounds like a bug. Post a bug report with the dialogue options you picked at the Technical Forum so Bioware can look into it. Because his constant "I'll break your heart" responses should only trigger if you flirt with him.

Other people seemed to get it and I chalked it up to just another oversight.

[Persephone]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Persephone wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Persephone wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

Hmm. I think the romance with Fenris was exceptionally well done. Actually I thought all the romances in the game were very well done, with the exception of Anders. The romance with Anders was very soap-operahish, but Fenris especially was very good. Better than Alistair, imo and on par with Zevran. I find Fenris' struggles with his past much more compelling than the fact that Alistair never got laid. Plus, a guy who's into dwarves, elves and people is kinda... well... whatever.

Fenris was good. There was a lot of push and pull. Anders spent the whole game telling you not to fall for him but then complained when you shared your bed with others. This is where a renegade interrupt would have worked immensly.

He only keeps telling you that if you flirt with him constantly. And if you THEN share your bed with others and or shoot him down, the jealousy is warranted.

But I WOULD have liked Renegade interruptions for Anders, oh YES!

He did that and I didn't even flirt with the idiot once.

Ok, that IS odd and should not happen. Sounds like a bug. Post a bug report with the dialogue options you picked at the Technical Forum so Bioware can look into it. Because his constant "I'll break your heart" responses should only trigger if you flirt with him.

Other people seemed to get it and I chalked it up to just another oversight.

I didn't get it once without flirting. Very odd. Again, let Bioware know by listing the dialogue options that prompted this. Only heart shaped ones should lead to that.

[PlumPaul93]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Mike Laidlaw thinks we're all idiots, yet he probably has never even touched a book in his entire life.Want proof? See sig.

[Persephone]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Mike Laidlaw thinks we're all idiots, yet he probably has never even touched a book in his entire life.Want proof? See sig.

Personal attacks are amusing now?

Ooooooooooooook

This is just sad.

[The_FenixV]

Persephone wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Mike Laidlaw thinks we're all idiots, yet he probably has never even touched a book in his entire life.Want proof? See sig.

Personal attacks are amusing now?

Ooooooooooooook

This is just sad.

It's human nature, at least she didn't jump on Mike Laidlaw and stab him to death with a dagger, that would of still been human nature.