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[Smilietime]

I know that Melee attacks from warriors, especially ones using two-handed weapons, can hit multiple foes, but it's not supposed to be that way with non-area affect magic attacks.


The description for winter's grasp says that it only affects one enemy. I have found repeatedly, that Anders will use this ability on an enemy among a cluster of enemies, and it will freeze as many as eight of them! He doesn't even have cone of cold. Is it because his staff, "Apostate's courage", says +13% cold damage?... I guess this is what is called a "Good bad bug", although I only play on Hard difficulty...

[sonsonthebia07]

I have only noticed it being AOE when I have the upgrade for it. If I just have the normal spell it seems to only hit one target.

And yeah, the description is misleading because the upgrade definitely hits multiple enemies which means it is yet another skill I do not enable in the tactics screen.

It causes friendly fire as well on nightmare. :/

Modifié par sonsonthebia07, 04 avril 2011 - 06:49 .

[Waltzingbear]

A lot of things aren't mentioned in the ability's description. If you use it via tactics try to set it to be used on archers and mages only.
It's a great tool for quickly removing single threatening enemies with a STAGGERED CCC so I prefer to conserve it rather than spamming anyway.

[Firky]

This is driving me slightly bananas. I'm at lvl 8 on NM and I was playing the Hayder battle - which lasts like 20 mins. I was trying to brittle, then mighty blow a normal enemy, but no, I brittled enemy plus Carver and he was brittle for ages, then he got one shotted because Winter's Grasp AoE caused so much damage. Battle over. Second time, I was being really careful but I did it again. Sigh. (I am getting used to it gradually, though. Don't cast it when Carver is anywhere close. Do cast it when 3 enemies are right next to each other. )

[All_good_names_Are_Taken_even_this1]

yeah, same here.

I can confirm that Winter's Grasp affects more than one creature under certain circumstances. I was able to reproduce this nifty "side-effect" a few times during dungeon crawls, both times versus Shades and both times at or inside narrow tunnels, with multiple enemies in close proximity to each other.


Screenshot: http://logician.silv...ersGraspAOE.jpg

Twin Fangs are lovely, too.
http://logician.silv...angs_Rock_3.jpg

Modifié par All_good_names_Are_Taken_even_this1, 04 avril 2011 - 10:12 .

[p95h]

Simple solution (but probably not the one you want to hear, but I'll give it anyways): Don't play on nightmare

[AgenTBC]

Waltzingbear wrote...

It's a great tool for quickly removing single threatening enemies with a STAGGERED CCC so I prefer to conserve it rather than spamming anyway.

What?  Winter's Grasp doesn't do extra damage to staggered enemies.  Are you sure?

[mesmerizedish]

All_good_names_Are_Taken_even_this1 wrote...

Twin Fangs are lovely, too.
http://logician.silv...angs_Rock_3.jpg

But... why does the blood sparkle?!

[Waltzingbear]

AgenTBC wrote...

Waltzingbear wrote...

It's a great tool for quickly removing single threatening enemies with a STAGGERED CCC so I prefer to conserve it rather than spamming anyway.

What?  Winter's Grasp doesn't do extra damage to staggered enemies.  Are you sure?

You are right I meant BRITTLED not STAGGERED...

[Zan Mura]

The misleading description and the following disappointment can cause frustration. Initially. But ultimately I found that Winter's Grasp is far *better* as a tiny AoE than it would be as a simple single-target spell. Given that Force mage specialization is basically a must, Pull of the Abyss works all kinds of wonders with Winter's Grasp. Especially since with Elemental Mastery, that's pretty much a guaranteed BRITTLE on all the mobs in the area.

It's just one of those spells I want to fire manually, while making sure my warrior walks back from the AoE.

[Smilietime]

Thanks everyone. I don't think it's too much of a problem. Slowing down tough enemies from the beginning of the game is still too useful to pass up on nightmare, I think. Even if Kirkwall mobs are resistant to it.

[Faivon]

I suppose it affects very little portion of its surrounding, still it's very nice addition, yes?

[rabbitchannel]

I've got 3 melee, 1 mage in my party right now and whenever I get a, "wtf, x party member down in one hit!?" I realize my mage just frosted his face off.

[Brett15]

anyone know if there is a mod that fixes this? Pretty annoying on NM when it hits Fenris/Carver and one shot kills them.

[Darth Wraith]

The simplest "fix" is to not upgrade the spell. Only the upgraded version causes AoE damage. Other than that you'll just have to be careful where you target it.

[SuicidalBaby]

just make sure the target is on the far side of both the melee and caster when the ability is triggered and youll be fine. oh, and not when the melee is performing a damaging ability to the targeted enemy.

[andraip]

@Brett15 Why do you want a fix for something that isn't broken?
btw is there any mod that grants Spirit bolt AOE and makes Firestorm a single target spell? LOL jk

[Relix28]

Brett15 wrote...

anyone know if there is a mod that fixes this? Pretty annoying on NM when it hits Fenris/Carver and one shot kills them.

Basically treat it like any other friendly-fire AoE spell (i.e. fireball). The AoE is 3m in diameter, so it isn't to much of a hasle. Just don't cast it when your melee characters are like point blank to the target.

Modifié par Relix28, 27 juin 2011 - 11:42 .

[Brett15]

andraip wrote...

@Brett15 Why do you want a fix for something that isn't broken?
btw is there any mod that grants Spirit bolt AOE and makes Firestorm a single target spell? LOL jk

I just noticed the sneaky tooltip wording that says 'and affects other targets nearby'

I thought it was just a straight single-target spell + brittle, and the aoe was a broken side-effect.

It's a pity because warriors love brittle

Of course I could just play the game on Hard or install a mod that turns off FF in NM.

Modifié par Brett15, 21 juillet 2011 - 10:35 .

[SuicidalBaby]

or you could take the advice given by people who use the full feature of the ability on a regular basis.