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[savagesparrow]

Who's paying for those fancy-smancy mage robes? Who's the one paying for replacement of furniture (and other things) should apprentice spells go awry? Who pays for feeding everyone--mages and templars included?
In the first game, they said that they make some money enchanting gear and infusing stuff with magical properties, but that can't be all of it (teenagers eat a lot, and probably more if they're recovering stamina for spell-casting...). Since the Circle is overseen by the Chantry, does that mean that part of every tithe to the Chantry goes to the Circle or is it a combination of chantry donations and that countries tax dollars? 

I like to think it's partly tax dollars so we can hear an NPC in the future shouting, "Oy, its my taxes that put dem robes on yer back, mage!" It might also be part of the reason why the populace is so pissed off at mages--not only can they kill you if they think about it, but part of your paycheck (gold deposit? x.x ) is going towards keeping them in comfort! 

[The Angry One]

A combination of Chantry funds and profits from enchanting and runecrafting which apparently brings in a LOT.
I imagine they also get a fair amount from noble families wanting to make sure their little magical embarassment is taken care of.

Modifié par The Angry One, 04 avril 2011 - 07:27 .

[Maria Caliban]

Get your Harrowing done before April 15th, that's I'll I'm saying.

[Running_Blind]

I could imagine that enchanting, brewing potions and healing would fund most of the circle.

As the Chantry demands a tithe from the government, it's quite possible that a chunk of that goes to the circle. Judging by all the giant gold statues, regular army and secret army the Chantry must be rolling in it.

[Camenae]

...Apostitutes...
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Clearly.

[AlexXIV]

They sell Tranquil as slaves.

[Lianaar]

Historically churches lived from compulsory donations of the people in their region (in Hungary 1/10 of all resources went to the king, and 1/10 to the church). I presume a similar mechanism fits the setting well.

Aside from that there were voluntary donations.
There are certain ceremonies that can be provided by the church (wedding, 1st communion or any sort of introduction of the child to the Church, furnerals, various prayers financed by the rich) - the fancier the more expensive
Writing... many people can not write and having an education in writing is an excellent source of income. Having registries, be it birth, land and whatever registry.

Churches can easily have their own estates and lands as well, which bring income.

Further more the above mentioned mercantile activities, such as potions, healing, cleansing, blessing, enchanting...

Possibly providing diplomatic envoy people for certain monetary and other expression of thanks.

They are not resourceless.

Modifié par Lianaar, 04 avril 2011 - 07:39 .

[hoorayforicecream]

David Gaider mentioned in another thread that the enchantments and runes that the Tranquil craft are where the circle gets the majority of its funding from.

[Lianaar]

Oops, I mixed up chantries with the circles. Sorry.

Circles
- probably some chantry funds
- enchantments, potions
- scientific knowledge can always be a good source of income, lore related job (identifying certain magical items? eg a king gets a magical sword as a gift, I bet he would want to know what sort of magic is actually tied to the sword)
- mercenary jobs (they did send mages to fight in wars alongside given people)
- menial task (ensuring someone has safe dreams etc)

Modifié par Lianaar, 04 avril 2011 - 08:44 .

[savagesparrow]

@Hooray yeah, but don't the dwarves also enchant items (enchantment!) and work with runes? I imagine that might cut into their profits, unless the mages are selling their stuff at like a "premium" quality to the dwarves' "affordability" attitude.

@Lianaar I imagine a chunk of it has to be from the chantry, at the very least to fund the templars on staff.

As for enchanting potions and gear and things, I still find it hard to believe that enchantment alone is enough to fund the circle given how many people are shuffled off there every year and how poor the majority of the rest of the continents (though granted, we've only gotten to see Kirkwall and Fereldan) are, and how little use they'd be to most people (how many sheepherders/noblemen go adventuring? How many are actively seeking danger to need a huge supply of potions?) While I can understand that a nobleman would want an enchanted dagger for status or whatever, I can't see there being enough demand to sustain the livelihood of the hundreds of people in the Circles (as it's not only mages, but tranquil, templars, maids and servants, cooks, errand boys, merchants, etc). Not to mention building repairs for Abomination-related damages (which seems to happen a LOT in Kirkwall)!

Modifié par savagesparrow, 04 avril 2011 - 09:42 .

[Mnemnosyne]

I wonder if it's not the other way around. The enchantments that the tranquil provide - as well as apparently mages being able to hire out as guards and mercenaries and other functions* - would likely bring in a pretty huge chunk of cash. Pretty much anyone who can afford it would want enchanted items - in game we of course only see combat-related enchantments because that's what's useful to us, but if I remember right the tranquil at Ostagar mentions a few other common uses for enchantments, such as glow-lamps.

I wonder if the Circles don't, in fact, subsidize the Chantry to some degree rather than the other way around...

*Note that even if these mages get to keep what they charge for these services, the fact that mages are not allowed to have heirs means that on a mage's death, everything they own reverts to the Circle/Chantry.  And in any case, the Circle probably gets a cut of any pay a mage gets for any service that's approved.

Modifié par Koyasha, 04 avril 2011 - 09:48 .

[Torax]

The Circles have their own Gardens where they get much of their food. The Circles are also basically housed in old Tevinter built structures. So it's not like it even cost them anything but a war long ago to house them. Past that it's just paying the Templars. The Mages just live there.

Edited to add. The Templars are out numbered by the Mages I'm sure in the case of the Circle Tower. Maybe not the case in the Free Marches that is housed so close to all the Nobles and everything. I'm sure the taxes and everything else in Kirkwall would also help fund both the Guard and the Templars there.

Modifié par Torax, 04 avril 2011 - 09:51 .

[Camenae]

Mages can always make their money doing what Anders apparently did in the Pearl, the electricity thing--or any other element really.

[EV 777777777]

the circle acts as a prison
it gets funded the same way a prison does
all the luxuries are there to prevent more rebelions but it all failed at the end of dragon age 2

[The Angry One]

Camenae wrote...

Mages can always make their money doing what Anders apparently did in the Pearl, the electricity thing--or any other element really.

That sounds depraved and disgusting.
Why can't my mage do that?

[Everwarden]

Why don't you think enchanting and mage-services would cover it? I mean, it's not like they have any competition, they can charge what they want.

[Torax]

The Angry One wrote...

Camenae wrote...

Mages can always make their money doing what Anders apparently did in the Pearl, the electricity thing--or any other element really.

That sounds depraved and disgusting.
Why can't my mage do that?

I'm sure Isabela wouldn't mind you doing that. She'd prolly pay.

Modifié par Torax, 04 avril 2011 - 10:25 .

[Sledge454]

Bake sales? Take your pick of magic muffins, apostate pizzelles, lyrium lemon cookies, qunari quinoa cookies, abomination apple bread, shade scones, demon donuts, or blood mage baguettes.

[heretica]

The Angry One wrote...

Camenae wrote...

Mages can always make their money doing what Anders apparently did in the Pearl, the electricity thing--or any other element really.

That sounds depraved and disgusting.
Why can't my mage do that?

Anomen disaproves...

AH!-wrong game.

Modifié par Catt128, 04 avril 2011 - 10:31 .

[The Angry One]

Torax wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Camenae wrote...

Mages can always make their money doing what Anders apparently did in the Pearl, the electricity thing--or any other element really.

That sounds depraved and disgusting.
Why can't my mage do that?

I'm sure Isabela wouldn't mind you doing that. She'd prolly pay.

Meeh, my preferences would be Merril or Fenris.
In fact with Fenris I could play the naughty Magister vs. the lyrium ghost slave and..

... yeah I think of these things too much.

[Torax]

The Angry One wrote...

Torax wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Camenae wrote...

Mages can always make their money doing what Anders apparently did in the Pearl, the electricity thing--or any other element really.

That sounds depraved and disgusting.
Why can't my mage do that?

I'm sure Isabela wouldn't mind you doing that. She'd prolly pay.

Meeh, my preferences would be Merril or Fenris.
In fact with Fenris I could play the naughty Magister vs. the lyrium ghost slave and..

... yeah I think of these things too much.

I'm sure Merrill wouldn't mind some Lightning Tongue Action. You may even get her to try it first.

[The Angry One]

Torax wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Torax wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Camenae wrote...

Mages can always make their money doing what Anders apparently did in the Pearl, the electricity thing--or any other element really.

That sounds depraved and disgusting.
Why can't my mage do that?

I'm sure Isabela wouldn't mind you doing that. She'd prolly pay.

Meeh, my preferences would be Merril or Fenris.
In fact with Fenris I could play the naughty Magister vs. the lyrium ghost slave and..

... yeah I think of these things too much.

I'm sure Merrill wouldn't mind some Lightning Tongue Action. You may even get her to try it first.

She could use Ensnare..

[Camenae]

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