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[PsychoBlonde]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Which doesn't make that much sense unless I missed something.

The Ariqun is the head of the priesthood that is exclusively female, while the Arigena is the head of the crafstmen which could be of either gender...

There may be more to the "mind" than priests. Anyways, having a female at the top would make sense for them as they're seen as inherintly better at organizing than males.

Yea true. So it seems only the military is restricted to one gender.

Actually there are women "in" the Antaam, they just do administrative jobs/logistics and don't fight or ever really get near a battle.

[Lithuasil]

Camenae wrote...

If women can never be warriors under the Qun, why did the Arishok want to duel femHawke?

What if it's a female Qunari saarebas? Still can't fight in the military? Must do admin tasks for the other saarebas?

He wanted the duel cause he's such an honorable warrior.

And a female saarebas would probably be killed, buried, crossed out of the books, and then simply never spoken of again 

[The Angry One]

Camenae wrote...

If women can never be warriors under the Qun, why did the Arishok want to duel femHawke?

 

Respect, I suppose.
Sten comes to respect the female Warden and call her Kedan after all.

What if it's a female Qunari saarebas? Still can't fight in the military? Must do admin tasks for the other saarebas?

I imagine saarebas are saarebas, a genderless distinction. They would be used as their role all the same.
We don't see female saarebas because lazy.

[KnightofPhoenix]

PsychoBlonde wrote...
Actually there are women "in" the Antaam, they just do administrative jobs/logistics and don't fight or ever really get near a battle.

Oh they are officially part of the military caste, or of the crafstmen that are affiliated to the military?

So much stuff we need to learn!

[PsychoBlonde]

Camenae wrote...

If women can never be warriors under the Qun, why did the Arishok want to duel femHawke?

Actually, he doesn't unless you get him his book back, and he even brings this up if Fenris is the one to suggest a duel.  Fenris talks him into it.  It does make it seem odd that the Arishok suggests a duel himself if femHawke refuses to hand Izzy over.  You have to wonder at his chain of thought there.  He sounded a little desperate though, and what else was he going to do?  Stand there and argue some more?  He needed to save face in front of his men, at the very least. 

What if it's a female Qunari saarebas? Still can't fight in the military? Must do admin tasks for the other saarebas?

Or healing, or any of the myriad other things magic can be used for that doesn't involve blowing things all to hell.  Or maybe they're just confined and they do embroidery and basketweaving for occupational therapy.

[PsychoBlonde]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

PsychoBlonde wrote...
Actually there are women "in" the Antaam, they just do administrative jobs/logistics and don't fight or ever really get near a battle.

Oh they are officially part of the military caste, or of the crafstmen that are affiliated to the military?

So much stuff we need to learn!

That's why I said "in" the Antaam.  They are part of the Antaam's organization.  Whether the Qunari consider them "part" of the army is open to speculation.

[KnightofPhoenix]

@ PsychoBlonde

I see. Thanks!

[The Angry One]

You're looking at the gender distinction from the wrong angle.
When it comes to fighting the Qunari seem to prefer berserker brute force methods, to which their large barrel chested males are more suited to. Hence, males are used as their warriors.

This doesn't imply that they think women can't fight, just that for their method (which I consider rubbish, but I digress) males are more suited.
This doesn't apply to mages at all, so I don't see why a female Saarebas would be used any differently than a male.

[Camenae]

I just hope the female Qunari saarebas aren't stuck cooking for the antaam. I know, I know, I need to get back to the kitchen.

p.s. can someone tell me exactly what Fenris says to get the Arishok to duel you? I did 3 playthroughs and for some reason I can't get the Arishok to NOT respect me. I've tried burning the bodies, not talking to him after Shepherding Wolves, lying to him about the book, telling him the Qun sux...

[Torax]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Sten said that women are priests, artisans, or farmers.

So that should cover the other two right?

"Women are priests, artisans, shopkeepers, or farmers. They don't fight."

[Torax]

Camenae wrote...

I just hope the female Qunari saarebas aren't stuck cooking for the antaam. I know, I know, I need to get back to the kitchen.

p.s. can someone tell me exactly what Fenris says to get the Arishok to duel you? I did 3 playthroughs and for some reason I can't get the Arishok to NOT respect me. I've tried burning the bodies, not talking to him after Shepherding Wolves, lying to him about the book, telling him the Qun sux...

Are you dueling him to defend Isabela? Or is Isabela not returning with the book?

Modifié par Torax, 04 avril 2011 - 09:04 .

[The Angry One]

Something I'd like clarification on.

Are Saarebas considered men or women, or just "Saarebas"?

[Camenae]

I've done both. And he either wants to duel me right away or he has his honor guard duel me first and then he wants to duel me anyway. I could say no but I want to hear what Fenris has to say.

[Herr Uhl]

The Angry One wrote...

Something I'd like clarification on.

Are Saarebas considered men or women, or just "Saarebas"?

It means "Dangerous thing", so it is genderless.

[Foryou]

you don't see him when he wakes up his horns are a mess. it takes him 2 hours a day to get them like that horns are like hair to the qunari you have to keep your horns in style

[PsychoBlonde]

The Angry One wrote...
This doesn't imply that they think women can't fight, just that for their method (which I consider rubbish, but I digress) males are more suited.

No, they think women can't fight.  To the Qunari, "don't--because they're not allowed" and "can't" are pretty much synonymous.  Sten gives you an earful about this in Origins if you happen to be a girl.

I'm pretty sure even their female mages don't fight, and even the male saarebas aren't trained the way Thedosian mages are.  They tend to burn themselves out a lot or do other things that are not conducive to long-term mage health.

[PlumPaul93]

So he could look like a big bad meanie that is obviously going to be hawkes enemy later on

[The Angry One]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

No, they think women can't fight.  To the Qunari, "don't--because they're not allowed" and "can't" are pretty much synonymous.  Sten gives you an earful about this in Origins if you happen to be a girl.

"Women don't fight" is treated as a fact by Sten, as all aspects of the Qun are.
That doesn't really mean can't. It means they don't, because the Qun says so.

I'm pretty sure even their female mages don't fight, and even the male saarebas aren't trained the way Thedosian mages are.  They tend to burn themselves out a lot or do other things that are not conducive to long-term mage health.

A mage fighting is entirely different from a warrior fighting, so I don't see how that holds true and that's *if* Saarebas are regarded as men/women under the Qun at all.

[PsychoBlonde]

The Angry One wrote...

PsychoBlonde wrote...

No, they think women can't fight.  To the Qunari, "don't--because they're not allowed" and "can't" are pretty much synonymous.  Sten gives you an earful about this in Origins if you happen to be a girl.

"Women don't fight" is treated as a fact by Sten, as all aspects of the Qun are.
That doesn't really mean can't. It means they don't, because the Qun says so.

It means that from their perspective, it's as good as a physical impossibility.  Qunari women CAN'T fight.  If they try, they're not Qunari any more.

It's just like how Qunari don't misstep.  If they **** up, they're not Qunari any more.  Qunari are perfect.  Anyone who isn't, isn't Qunari.

They get you coming and going.  Their belief system is a total mindscrew.

[Curlain]

To me they seem to regard Saarebas more like trained animals, and not a member of their society at all.

[Punahedan]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

They get you coming and going.  Their belief system is a total mindscrew.

... I'm going to misinterpret that on purpose, thank you very much...

[Lithuasil]

Curlain wrote...

To me they seem to regard Saarebas more like trained animals, and not a member of their society at all.

Saarebas means "dangerous thing". So pretty much this.

[Herr Uhl]

The Angry One wrote...

A mage fighting is entirely different from a warrior fighting, so I don't see how that holds true and that's *if* Saarebas are regarded as men/women under the Qun at all.

David Gaider wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
Yeah but Templars keep them on leashes as well, what's the difference between both?

The qunari mages are literally kept on leashes, held by an arvaarad (their "handler", if you will). The templars only keep mages on figurative leashes.

Do the Qunari allow the Mages to practice and hone their abilities and give them positions where their powers will be useful, or shun the use of magic and just give them simple menial tasks like chef / bard?

I think it would be better to think of qunari mages as trained attack dogs.

And if they DO use magic, do they allow it for fighting purposes and allow the Female Qunari to fight with their talents (If they can be mages)?

A female qunari who is a mage is no longer female. She is saarebas-- a "dangerous thing", not even a person really. So, yes, female qunari do fight with their magic, but they're considered part of the arvaarad the same way a sword would be part of the warrior.

Edit: Does that suffice?

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 04 avril 2011 - 09:16 .

[The Angry One]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

It means that from their perspective, it's as good as a physical impossibility.  Qunari women CAN'T fight.  If they try, they're not Qunari any more.

It's just like how Qunari don't misstep.  If they **** up, they're not Qunari any more.  Qunari are perfect.  Anyone who isn't, isn't Qunari.

They get you coming and going.  Their belief system is a total mindscrew.

Remember Sten never says that Qunari women can't fight. Simply that they don't fight, because that's not their "role".
Again the "role" of Saarebas is completely different from any other. They aren't warriors and Saarebas, or artisans and Saarebas. They are Saarebas, and their role is to serve the Arvaraad in any capacity. Which logically includes fighting.