aimlessgun wrote...
Lol Kaotician is trolling so hard. He's not even being subtle about it.
Look, just forget it. If you can't be bothered to check the actual facts, then don't bother trying to intimidate and distress me, okay?aimlessgun wrote...
Lol Kaotician is trolling so hard. He's not even being subtle about it.
Dean_the_Young wrote...
aimlessgun wrote...
Lol Kaotician is trolling so hard. He's not even being subtle about it.
I know. It's like, you can post the video, with subtitles, point out how at 2:49 'Square root of 912.04 is 30.2... it all seemed harmless...' and suddenly the game is sophistry.
Modifié par kaotician, 06 avril 2011 - 04:04 .
Since that is the end of the mission, and that is what you have been referring to constantly, and that does not support your claims of a math error, and you have not provided any citation or source when the alleged math error occured, and have actually in this thread already conceded there wasn't a math error, and upon demanding others go look up the mission to hear the error you consequently rejected provided video in which David's math is accurate and not any variation of pi, and then accuse others of lying when their own provided material (which you demanded) supports that there wasn't a math error...kaotician wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
aimlessgun wrote...
Lol Kaotician is trolling so hard. He's not even being subtle about it.
I know. It's like, you can post the video, with subtitles, point out how at 2:49 'Square root of 912.04 is 30.2... it all seemed harmless...' and suddenly the game is sophistry.
You know full well that's not the bit I was referring to, nor is the context in which you quote me accurate, nor the misattribution you place on my words anything more than convenient shuffling of phrases to suit your own view, so stop lying your dull face off to make a non-case for yourself, Dean, and stay away from my posts.
Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 06 avril 2011 - 04:15 .
kaotician wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
aimlessgun wrote...
Lol Kaotician is trolling so hard. He's not even being subtle about it.
I know. It's like, you can post the video, with subtitles, point out how at 2:49 'Square root of 912.04 is 30.2... it all seemed harmless...' and suddenly the game is sophistry.
You know full well that's not the bit I was referring to, nor is the context in which you quote me accurate, nor the misattribution you place on my words anything more than convenient shuffling of phrases to suit your own view, so stop lying your dull face off to make a non-case for yourself, Dean, and stay away from my posts.
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Since that is the end of the mission, and that is what you have been referring to constantly, and that does not support your claims of a math error, and you have not provided any citation or source when the alleged math error occured, and have actually in this thread already conceded there wasn't a math error, and upon demanding others go look up the mission to hear the error you consequently rejected provided video in which David's math is accurate and not any variation of pi, and then accuse others of lying when their own provided material (which you demanded) supports that there wasn't a math error...kaotician wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
aimlessgun wrote...
Lol Kaotician is trolling so hard. He's not even being subtle about it.
I know. It's like, you can post the video, with subtitles, point out how at 2:49 'Square root of 912.04 is 30.2... it all seemed harmless...' and suddenly the game is sophistry.
You know full well that's not the bit I was referring to, nor is the context in which you quote me accurate, nor the misattribution you place on my words anything more than convenient shuffling of phrases to suit your own view, so stop lying your dull face off to make a non-case for yourself, Dean, and stay away from my posts.
Really, if you wanted to prove me wrong just provide the video where the math error occurs. There's more than enough playthrough videos to choose from, and if I'm wrong I'll gladly admit it. But, having done what you demanded, watched the end of Overlord, and not found it, there's nothing to support a math error, and all that a math error implied, I've no reason to believe I'm wrong, and every reason to believe you are.
Ironically, because of the facts that don't appear to support you.
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Kaotican, I'm going to say this once, and only once, to you.
You have been challenged in an argument. You have not been insulted as a person, except in so much that you're acting in a manner that does neither you or your argument anything good.
I have not been making strawman arguments as to your positions: you have insisted that David has, from various posts, been a victim of Indoctrination, reciting pi, and making a math error. These are not inventions, these are points you have insisted upon as a cornerstone of your argument. When challenged to support these points, you have declined. When game material has been provided that does not, you have dismissed it without mentioned what, precisely, you are referring to.
You have consistently been treated with personal respect in a disagreement about your argument, and have repeatedly retorted not with citations but with personal attacks. You have disqualified everyone who interprets things differently from you, and yet have retorted only with broad generalizations of 'play the game again' without referring to what, in particular, you believe agrees with you even as source material has been provided to you. You have simply been making the same claims which, when challenged, are only answered with more repetitions of the same and broad insults towards anyone who would disagree with you.
And you most certainly do lose all credibility when you publicly insult, cajole, and mock me and then privately crawl to me and send me a PM begging me to stop 'harassing' you.
Michoss wrote...
You do not simply 'realise' you are being indoctrinated. And if you somehow, finally do, you are aleady thinking it's a good thing.
SalsaDMA wrote...
I find it funny he acuses others of strawmans, when his entire argument is based on a strawman
Also, a classic play in my country toys with the argumentational theories and tries to show the error of transfering non-related characteristics merely because of random similarities. It has a guy claiming to be learned in argumentational theories convince uneducated and 'stupid' peasants that they are rocks and other random crap with lines like: "A rock can't fly. You can't fly, hence you must be a rock..."
The argumentation used by kaotician in this thread is remarkably similar, yet at least people here are not as silly as the peasants in that play to actually believe him.
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Kaotican, I'm going to say this once, and only once, to you.
You have been challenged in an argument. You have not been insulted as a person, except in so much that you're acting in a manner that does neither you or your argument anything good.
I have not been making strawman arguments as to your positions: you have insisted that David has, from various posts, been a victim of Indoctrination, reciting pi, and making a math error. These are not inventions, these are points you have insisted upon as a cornerstone of your argument. When challenged to support these points, you have declined. When game material has been provided that does not, you have dismissed it without mentioned what, precisely, you are referring to.
You have consistently been treated with personal respect in a disagreement about your argument, and have repeatedly retorted not with citations but with personal attacks. You have disqualified everyone who interprets things differently from you, and yet have retorted only with broad generalizations of 'play the game again' without referring to what, in particular, you believe agrees with you even as source material has been provided to you. You have simply been making the same claims which, when challenged, are only answered with more repetitions of the same and broad insults towards anyone who would disagree with you.
And you most certainly do lose all credibility when you publicly insult, cajole, and mock me and then privately crawl to me and send me a PM begging me to stop 'harassing' you.
SalsaDMA wrote...
I find it funny he acuses others of strawmans, when his entire argument is based on a strawman
Also, a classic play in my country toys with the argumentational theories and tries to show the error of transfering non-related characteristics merely because of random similarities. It has a guy claiming to be learned in argumentational theories convince uneducated and 'stupid' peasants that they are rocks and other random crap with lines like: "A rock can't fly. You can't fly, hence you must be a rock..."
The argumentation used by kaotician in this thread is remarkably similar, yet at least people here are not as silly as the peasants in that play to actually believe him.
Case in point: when offered and invited to provide sources, you return to your pattern of, well, not providing sources, and continuing a stream of insults.kaotician wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Kaotican, I'm going to say this once, and only once, to you.
You have been challenged in an argument. You have not been insulted as a person, except in so much that you're acting in a manner that does neither you or your argument anything good.
I have not been making strawman arguments as to your positions: you have insisted that David has, from various posts, been a victim of Indoctrination, reciting pi, and making a math error. These are not inventions, these are points you have insisted upon as a cornerstone of your argument. When challenged to support these points, you have declined. When game material has been provided that does not, you have dismissed it without mentioned what, precisely, you are referring to.
You have consistently been treated with personal respect in a disagreement about your argument, and have repeatedly retorted not with citations but with personal attacks. You have disqualified everyone who interprets things differently from you, and yet have retorted only with broad generalizations of 'play the game again' without referring to what, in particular, you believe agrees with you even as source material has been provided to you. You have simply been making the same claims which, when challenged, are only answered with more repetitions of the same and broad insults towards anyone who would disagree with you.
And you most certainly do lose all credibility when you publicly insult, cajole, and mock me and then privately crawl to me and send me a PM begging me to stop 'harassing' you.
With regards to pi, your only example of an error on my part, I immediately said that I must have misremembered the context - it's there in the thread, for all to see. You've split hairs on what you personally see as Indoctrination - fine, but it doesn't make me wrong to hold a different view, since this is not an argument that is semantically based, but contextually based. I have had to ask you repeatedly not to misquote me, cite words used by me, suggested by you, that were not used by me, and not to adjust the context of my arguments to give them a different slant, which you then attack - strawmanning, in other words. I've had to do this because you've been untruthfully representing my arguments by your lax grasp of context and content. All this is in the thread - a public record, so to speak, for all to see, since it makes any debate worthless if you merely 'adjust' the other persons argument to suit yourself. It's an intellectual corruption, and if you didn't know that, well now you do, though ignorance of your own idiocy is not a defence of it, of course. That's why I accuse you of strawmanning, and I 100% stand by that accusation. As for 'privately crawl' to you, I sent you a PM asking you to quit harassing me, sent as a PM because it's nothing to do with ME, and everything to do with your truly foul, immature attitude. I hope you can improve yourself, and wish you luck at doing so.
Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 06 avril 2011 - 09:03 .
kaotician wrote...
SalsaDMA wrote...
I find it funny he acuses others of strawmans, when his entire argument is based on a strawman
Also, a classic play in my country toys with the argumentational theories and tries to show the error of transfering non-related characteristics merely because of random similarities. It has a guy claiming to be learned in argumentational theories convince uneducated and 'stupid' peasants that they are rocks and other random crap with lines like: "A rock can't fly. You can't fly, hence you must be a rock..."
The argumentation used by kaotician in this thread is remarkably similar, yet at least people here are not as silly as the peasants in that play to actually believe him.
It may be a classic play in your country, but the logical argument is about 3,000 years old. You should tell your classic playwright to catch up. Apart from that, what a lazy, empty argument!!!Thanks for wasting the time of my life:lol:
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Case in point: when offered and invited to provide sources, you return to your pattern of, well, not providing sources, and continuing a stream of insults.kaotician wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Kaotican, I'm going to say this once, and only once, to you.
You have been challenged in an argument. You have not been insulted as a person, except in so much that you're acting in a manner that does neither you or your argument anything good.
I have not been making strawman arguments as to your positions: you have insisted that David has, from various posts, been a victim of Indoctrination, reciting pi, and making a math error. These are not inventions, these are points you have insisted upon as a cornerstone of your argument. When challenged to support these points, you have declined. When game material has been provided that does not, you have dismissed it without mentioned what, precisely, you are referring to.
You have consistently been treated with personal respect in a disagreement about your argument, and have repeatedly retorted not with citations but with personal attacks. You have disqualified everyone who interprets things differently from you, and yet have retorted only with broad generalizations of 'play the game again' without referring to what, in particular, you believe agrees with you even as source material has been provided to you. You have simply been making the same claims which, when challenged, are only answered with more repetitions of the same and broad insults towards anyone who would disagree with you.
And you most certainly do lose all credibility when you publicly insult, cajole, and mock me and then privately crawl to me and send me a PM begging me to stop 'harassing' you.
With regards to pi, your only example of an error on my part, I immediately said that I must have misremembered the context - it's there in the thread, for all to see. You've split hairs on what you personally see as Indoctrination - fine, but it doesn't make me wrong to hold a different view, since this is not an argument that is semantically based, but contextually based. I have had to ask you repeatedly not to misquote me, cite words used by me, suggested by you, that were not used by me, and not to adjust the context of my arguments to give them a different slant, which you then attack - strawmanning, in other words. I've had to do this because you've been untruthfully representing my arguments by your lax grasp of context and content. All this is in the thread - a public record, so to speak, for all to see, since it makes any debate worthless if you merely 'adjust' the other persons argument to suit yourself. It's an intellectual corruption, and if you didn't know that, well now you do, though ignorance of your own idiocy is not a defence of it, of course. That's why I accuse you of strawmanning, and I 100% stand by that accusation. As for 'privately crawl' to you, I sent you a PM asking you to quit harassing me, sent as a PM because it's nothing to do with ME, and everything to do with your truly foul, immature attitude. I hope you can improve yourself, and wish you luck at doing so.
Insults which, ironically enough, have nothing to do with Mass Effect, and yet you see no point in refraining from doing. Despite professing to maturely seeking to avoid just that. In the very same post.
Might be why your accusations of foulness and immaturity sound more than a little... hypocritical.
Nathan Redgrave wrote...
Is the Heretic virus the same indoctrination method used on organics? Most likely not, because brains and computers work differently.
kaotician wrote...
Blah,blah,blah. You should look up the word 'insult', and try not to twist the description to suit yourself. Oh, and 'irony' too. You've not been insulted, you've been described, as has your way of approaching an argument.
Dictionary.com listing for insult:
–verb (used with object)1.to treat or speak to insolently or with contemptuousrudeness; affront.2.to affect as an affront; offend or demean.3.Archaic . to attack; assault.–verb (used without object)4.Archaic . to behave with insolent triumph; exultcontemptuously (usually followed by on, upon, or over ).–noun5.an insolent or contemptuously rude action or remark; affront.6.something having the effect of an affront: That book is aninsult to one's intelligence.7.Medicine/Medical .a.an injury or trauma.b.an agent that inflicts this.8.Archaic . an attack or assault.
Still can't support the math error claim, can you?kaotician wrote...
Blah,blah,blah. You should look up the word 'insult', and try not to twist the description to suit yourself. Oh, and 'irony' too. You've not been insulted, you've been described, as has your way of approaching an argument.
Saphra Deden wrote...
Saren did not want Sovereign because it could control geth or because it could control AI (which was never stated to be its power). He wanted it because what he learned about it told him it was extremely advanced and powerful.
Mass Effect: Revelation, p. 322:
There was another problem to consider, as well. The ship was just beyond the borders of the Perseus Veil, right on the edges of geth space. Eventually he'd have to deal with them . . . though if everything went as planned, he might be able to use Sovereign to bend the geth to his purpose.
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