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[Anarcala]

There been a lot of talk in the 'was Anders justified' thread (social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/304/index/6901812). I'm curious - if you were a mage in one of the Thedas Circles, what would your reaction have been on hearing what happened?

[hoorayforicecream]

Doesn't that kind of depend on how you've been treated up to that point? If you've had a decent life in the circle, you'd probably be less likely to join in a war than if you'd been abused, no?

[EV 777777777]

i said this on the other thread

its an rpg. you choose if hes justified not other people

[Cutlass Jack]

My reaction would be "glad that idiot didn't do that here."

'Great Escape' Anders (from Awakening) was an inspiration to us all. 'Justers' was a flaming fool.

[Race Dragonheart]

thinking back to mage origin i would have been horrified that someone would have gone to these lengths and would have thought blood magic was involved!

[highcastle]

Depends on the Circle and the individual's circumstances. Anders mentions beatings and rapes in some Circles. I imagine the victims of those abuses or anyone who'd ever lost a friend to the tranquil or such would support him. Then again, they might not if they're religious. There's just too many variables. Even trying to decide how I would respond would be dependent on my circumstances in the Circle and with the templars.

[AndreaDraco]

If I had been in the Circle, I'd have been a Libertarian without a single doubt. From the moment Senior Enchanter Torrin explained the fraternities to my Mage Warden, I had no doubt.

So, bearing this in mind, I guess I'd be one (of the few?) who would actually hail Anders as a liberator. And then I'll start a revolution in my own Circle to overthrow the Templars.

[FaeQueenCory]

Had I been in the Fereldon Circle: "Dear. Holy. Maker. What did someone do!? Dear Maker! Does anyone realize what this means!?" *Looks nervously at the nearby Templars and goes to find my secret Templar lover*
Had I been anywhere else: I would have locked myself under my bed until the sh*t hits the fan and then I'd make a run for it... I kinda have this thing about not dying.... at all costs. Except blood magic... because it ALWAYS messes everything up.

I don't know if anywhere but the Fereldon Circle is lax enough to have "secret" templar-mage loving... But if that was going on... No matter what, I would refuse to let any mage kill him. Perhaps we'd even run away together... Or I'd kill him for being stupid (read as: agreeing to kill my fellows)...

[Kinaori]

I've actually thought about that myself; since apparently it causes an uproar. My Mage from DA:O was pretty horrified by both the forced Harrowing and the prospect of Jowan being made tranquil. Really the whole Tranquil thing alone (forced lobotomy, basically) is enough to make anyone go to blood magic if they thought it would happen to them. I'd pretty much do anything to prevent that, I suspect.

[Lithuasil]

Most likely, depending on the circle I'm in, running to the next templar and telling them I totally don't want anything to do with any rebellion, and how I totally despise such behavior.

:|

[ddv.rsa]

It depends. It looks like the story got quite twisted along the way, since Varric has to straighten it out for Cassandra. What did they hear?

Modifié par ddv.rsa, 04 avril 2011 - 11:18 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

I'd facepalm, then try to think of ways to fix the mess. But if pushed into a corner, I would fight for my life.

[Brockololly]

Anarcala wrote...
if you were a mage in one of the Thedas Circles, what would your reaction have been on hearing what happened?

"What a f******* moron."

Modifié par Brockololly, 04 avril 2011 - 11:25 .

[Rifneno]

If the circle is as bad as it's retconned as in DA2 (and don't kid yourself, several parts of the story ONLY make sense if the Ferelden Circle was retconned to be worse than we saw in DAO), I probably wouldn't make it until the rebellions.  The first time a templar helped themselves to myself or anyone I care about, or tranquilled anyone I cared about, it'd all be about waiting for the opportunity to come from behind and slice his throat.  Then just taking as many other templars with me as I could.  Blood magic?  Depends upon whether it involved having to make a deal with a demon.  Demons?  No dice.  Learning it from books or from another mage?  Whatever helps kill templars.

[Vormaerin]

What parts of the story required the Fereldan Circle to be made worse than it was?

[PsychoBlonde]

My reaction?

"Maker, we're all dead. Quick, get out the war staffs and the battle dresses, we're rebelling before they Do Unto Us First."

Brockololly wrote...

Anarcala wrote...
if you were a mage in one of the Thedas Circles, what would your reaction have been on hearing what happened?

"What a f******* moron."

Also, this.

Modifié par PsychoBlonde, 04 avril 2011 - 11:40 .

[Rifneno]

Vormaerin wrote...

What parts of the story required the Fereldan Circle to be made worse than it was?

Pretty much all of it, really.

If the Circle was as reasonable as we see it portrayed in DAO, they wouldn't have rebelled.  People tend not to engage in battles with little hope of survival if they're being treated reasonably.

Anders is new the Free Marches when you meet him, all his time in the Circle was in Ferelden's Circle.  So we can assume that's who he's refering to as such when he says things like, "They tell us every day that magic is a sin, a curse from the Maker to show his hate."  (Paraphrased)  What?  They never said anything REMOTELY like that in DAO.  "For all the talk of demons, the most common death I saw for a mage was suicide."  Ok I know we don't see an average day in the life, but I don't recall seeing any suicides.  Nor do I remember any conversations from the mage Warden about how horrific life in the Circle is.  "You hear lots of stories of beatings and rapes.  It hasn't happened to me, but I've been fortunate."  So... he's LUCKY if he's not raped as a MALE?  Good God.  No wonder so many of them off themselves.

Now I know lots of "omgz the terrorist is lying" posts are being typed up as we speak, but I ask this: if he's lying, then why does no one ever call him on it?  How come Aveline never says, "my husband was a templar and you're full of crap"?  The only time in the entire game he definitely lies to Hawke is asking to make the Justice potion.  Which, after getting the stuff, he flatly admits he was lying about.  And instead of lying about why he needs to do something in the Chantry, he just refuses to tell Hawke what it is he needs to do.  I don't believe for a second he was lying about the atrocities committed at the Circle.

And even if someone does believe he was lying... once again... it makes no sense that the Ferelden Circle, like every other Circle, rebelled against the templars as soon as they realized they had ANY chance.  The risk is just way, way too big if they weren't being brutally oppressed.

[Sidac]

Anarcala wrote...
 if you were a mage in one of the Thedas Circles, what would your reaction have been on hearing what happened?

I would take my staff, shove it up the ass of the nearest templar, and walk out the front door.

[Volourn]

I would write Anders off as ane xtremeist who feels mass murder can be justified, and I would still strive for my freedom.

Anders is no better than the extremist Templars.

[TJPags]

My thought:

"some tool did it now . . . .time to fight or run!!!"

[Mugnir]

I'd tell everyone not to use blood magic, and to prove my point, I'd stab myself and turn into a Harvester and attack my allies.
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Step one: destroy phylactery.
Step two: Put on plate armor, sword, and shield
Step three: Arcane warrior auto attack time!

[Madame Rose Crimsynn]

It depends, really, on what Circle I would come from. Kirkwall, (if it hadn't been a major point and so many people turning to Blood Magic) I would've gone, "I'm outta here. Got to be somewhere better then here with these unstable loonies." If I were from the Fereldan one, I might've just sat down and let everyone else go crazy and do what I typically do. The Fereldan Circle was nice (before Uldred up-ended it). And I imagine it'd be nice after it got fixed up.

But then I probably would've had the whole damn tower to myself, exception to a few dead bodies. It'd get really lonely.

Modifié par Madame Rose Crimsynn, 05 avril 2011 - 12:06 .

[Maria Caliban]

Anarcala wrote...

There been a lot of talk in the 'was Anders justified' thread (social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/304/index/6901812). I'm curious - if you were a mage in one of the Thedas Circles, what would your reaction have been on hearing what happened?

It would depend on my treatment up to that point.

And what happened in Ferelden.

[Lithuasil]

Rifneno wrote...
Pretty much all of it, really.

If the Circle was as reasonable as we see it portrayed in DAO, they wouldn't have rebelled.  People tend not to engage in battles with little hope of survival if they're being treated reasonably.

Anders is new the Free Marches when you meet him, all his time in the Circle was in Ferelden's Circle.  So we can assume that's who he's refering to as such when he says things like, "They tell us every day that magic is a sin, a curse from the Maker to show his hate."  (Paraphrased)  What?  They never said anything REMOTELY like that in DAO.  "For all the talk of demons, the most common death I saw for a mage was suicide."  Ok I know we don't see an average day in the life, but I don't recall seeing any suicides.  Nor do I remember any conversations from the mage Warden about how horrific life in the Circle is.  "You hear lots of stories of beatings and rapes.  It hasn't happened to me, but I've been fortunate."  So... he's LUCKY if he's not raped as a MALE?  Good God.  No wonder so many of them off themselves.

Now I know lots of "omgz the terrorist is lying" posts are being typed up as we speak, but I ask this: if he's lying, then why does no one ever call him on it?  How come Aveline never says, "my husband was a templar and you're full of crap"?  The only time in the entire game he definitely lies to Hawke is asking to make the Justice potion.  Which, after getting the stuff, he flatly admits he was lying about.  And instead of lying about why he needs to do something in the Chantry, he just refuses to tell Hawke what it is he needs to do.  I don't believe for a second he was lying about the atrocities committed at the Circle.

And even if someone does believe he was lying... once again... it makes no sense that the Ferelden Circle, like every other Circle, rebelled against the templars as soon as they realized they had ANY chance.  The risk is just way, way too big if they weren't being brutally oppressed.

This is your Anders on spirits. Demons, not even once   

I don't think he's outright lying, he's just blowing things way out of proportion. The whole "your magic is a sin, the maker hates you" thing is in Origins (remember that mage girl next to wrynne, who wanted the circle to be annulled as just atonement). And I'm pretty sure, some incidents do happen. It's just that Anders is completely oversensitive on the matter. And suddenly a dozen death' of old age, and half a dozen suicides, become "the most common source of death was suicide", and suddenly, one or two incidents of a templar abusing his power become "everybody gets raped". Look at every american comedy cop movie ever made, where the black sidekick always complains about racism. That's anders. The problem is there, he's just blowing it up (literally)

And as we've seen twice now, it takes but a handful of mages going bad (uldred) or a single mage blowing up a church, and suddenly everyone in the circle is caught between "death by templars" and fighting for their life, i.e rising up.