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[Herr Uhl]

I'd be in Tevinter or Rivain and not giving a crap.

[Vormaerin]

Also, remember, he is in constant contact with members of the Kirkwall Circle. He knows Karl, he has been inside to "rescue" many mages, he knows where Ser Alrik is likely to be, etc. Its entirely reasonable that he gets his information from Kirkwall.

[sphinxess]

Champion supports Templars - need to dig that escape tunnel faster...

Champion supports Mages - need to dig that escape tunnel way faster - maybe if we work in shifts...

[AshenEndymion]

I tend to be the self-loathing type of mage.

So if I heard Anders blew up a Chantry, I'd probably scream "Hell yeah! Now to torch these bastards for their offense to the Maker!" And start killing the other mages in the Circle to make it easier for the Templars.

[Punahedan]

Depends on where I am and how I've been treated so far.

In Ferelden, I'd be an aequitarian. Despite what Anders says (and his side of the story has been influenced by how he was treated when he was taken from his parents), I have so far seen little to indicate any grievous cruelty in Ferelden's Circle, at least under Irving's time as First Enchanter. The most serious damage is probably being told I'm a sin every day...

I'd probably see if we can set a precedent for reasonable discourse; clearly, the current status cannot remain in all Circles because telling people they're sinning just by existing is kind of problematic, but mages do need to be -protected- from possession and taught what is productive to society. Probably a touch of Lucrosian, too, but maybe when things stabilize.

In the Free Marches, I'd probably be a Libertarian or Isolationist. I'd flip out and try to escape. The situation is lost there. Best hide or go somewhere that won't kill me for what I am.

In Orlais, I'd probably be an Apologist/Loyalist. I probably wouldn't know any better under the watch of the Divine. I'd go pray, offer to do as much as I can, probably check others to make sure they're not secret blood mages.

In Tevinter, I'd be laughing my ass off, pitying those primitive little magelings and slicing up my next slave for my Blood Magic ritual.

I hope people are seeing my point here.

Modifié par Hawkeyed Cai Li, 05 avril 2011 - 12:32 .

[Madame Rose Crimsynn]

Hawkeyed Cai Li wrote...

Depends on where I am and how I've been treated so far.

In Ferelden, I'd be an aequitarian. Despite what Anders says (and his side of the story has been influenced by how he was treated when he was taken from his parents), I have so far seen little to indicate any grievous cruelty in Ferelden's Circle, at least under Irving's time as First Enchanter. The most serious damage is probably being told I'm a sin every day...

I'd probably see if we can set a precedent for reasonable discourse; clearly, the current status cannot remain in all Circles because telling people they're sinning just by existing is kind of problematic, but mages do need to be -protected- from possession and taught what is productive to society. Probably a touch of Lucrosian, too, but maybe when things stabilize.

In the Free Marches, I'd probably be a Libertarian or Isolationist. I'd flip out and try to escape. The situation is lost there. Best hide or go somewhere that won't kill me for what I am.

In Orlais, I'd probably be an Apologist/Loyalist. I probably wouldn't know any better under the watch of the Divine. I'd go pray, offer to do as much as I can, probably check others to make sure they're not secret blood mages.

In Tevinter, I'd be laughing my ass off, pitying those primitive little magelings and slicing up my next slave for my Blood Magic ritual.

I hope people are seeing my point here.

Totally. 

[Icy Magebane]

The question is too broad, but I'd probably be like, "okay... um... so today is still pizza day in the cafeteria, right?"

I probably would not want to be involved in any kind of rebellion if I were a normal mage. The stakes are too high and the reward is ... I have to pay for my own meals now? No thanks.

[AngryFrozenWater]

I would probably think... Suppression goes on for centuries now. Blow up the chantry? Hmmm. No chantry. No templars. Good idea. We have to do something like that here too. And make sure we do it properly this time. We have to do that everywhere. Let's discuss this with the other circles next Wednesday when we play poker.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 05 avril 2011 - 12:53 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

I think I'd be a Lucrosian with Libertarian leanings, and this kind of war would be horrible for business. So yea, FU Anders.

[Lithuasil]

Hawkeyed Cai Li wrote...

Depends on where I am and how I've been treated so far.

In Ferelden, I'd be an aequitarian. Despite what Anders says (and his side of the story has been influenced by how he was treated when he was taken from his parents), I have so far seen little to indicate any grievous cruelty in Ferelden's Circle, at least under Irving's time as First Enchanter. The most serious damage is probably being told I'm a sin every day...

I'd probably see if we can set a precedent for reasonable discourse; clearly, the current status cannot remain in all Circles because telling people they're sinning just by existing is kind of problematic, but mages do need to be -protected- from possession and taught what is productive to society. Probably a touch of Lucrosian, too, but maybe when things stabilize.

In the Free Marches, I'd probably be a Libertarian or Isolationist. I'd flip out and try to escape. The situation is lost there. Best hide or go somewhere that won't kill me for what I am.

In Orlais, I'd probably be an Apologist/Loyalist. I probably wouldn't know any better under the watch of the Divine. I'd go pray, offer to do as much as I can, probably check others to make sure they're not secret blood mages.

In Tevinter, I'd be laughing my ass off, pitying those primitive little magelings and slicing up my next slave for my Blood Magic ritual.

I hope people are seeing my point here.

While I do see your point, the bolded part is still the most sensible choice in any non-tevinter circle. Given in an all out war, unless something unforseeable (like say, a third game) happens, the templars will win without breaking to sweat, if the signs are on war, being extra nice, obedient and apologetic is pretty much the best way to get on the "in case of annulment, just lock up" list.

[Herr Uhl]

Icy Magebane wrote...

The question is too broad, but I'd probably be like, "okay... um... so today is still pizza day in the cafeteria, right?"

No, and it was Anders fault. He considered the labour laws for tomato farmers to be unjust so he blew up your pizza.

Truly an evil man.

[Icy Magebane]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Icy Magebane wrote...

The question is too broad, but I'd probably be like, "okay... um... so today is still pizza day in the cafeteria, right?"

No, and it was Anders fault. He considered the labour laws for tomato farmers to be unjust so he blew up your pizza.

Truly an evil man.

  Anders, you went too far.

[mousestalker]

sphinxess wrote...

Champion supports Templars - need to dig that escape tunnel faster...

Champion supports Mages - need to dig that escape tunnel way faster - maybe if we work in shifts...

This, exactly.

If mages are being oppressed in X, then my plan would be to relocate to Y. The Tevinter Imperium seems to be a kingdom of suck (per Fenris) but mages do better there. I'd try to flee there.

Anders approach is "the templars are oppressing me, so I'll kill priests and blow up a building where the templars aren't."

DA2 needs a 'slap Anders' mod very badly.

[Punahedan]

Lithuasil wrote...

Hawkeyed Cai Li wrote...

Depends on where I am and how I've been treated so far.

In Ferelden, I'd be an aequitarian. Despite what Anders says (and his side of the story has been influenced by how he was treated when he was taken from his parents), I have so far seen little to indicate any grievous cruelty in Ferelden's Circle, at least under Irving's time as First Enchanter. The most serious damage is probably being told I'm a sin every day...

I'd probably see if we can set a precedent for reasonable discourse; clearly, the current status cannot remain in all Circles because telling people they're sinning just by existing is kind of problematic, but mages do need to be -protected- from possession and taught what is productive to society. Probably a touch of Lucrosian, too, but maybe when things stabilize.

In the Free Marches, I'd probably be a Libertarian or Isolationist. I'd flip out and try to escape. The situation is lost there. Best hide or go somewhere that won't kill me for what I am.

In Orlais, I'd probably be an Apologist/Loyalist. I probably wouldn't know any better under the watch of the Divine. I'd go pray, offer to do as much as I can, probably check others to make sure they're not secret blood mages.

In Tevinter, I'd be laughing my ass off, pitying those primitive little magelings and slicing up my next slave for my Blood Magic ritual.

I hope people are seeing my point here.

While I do see your point, the bolded part is still the most sensible choice in any non-tevinter circle. Given in an all out war, unless something unforseeable (like say, a third game) happens, the templars will win without breaking to sweat, if the signs are on war, being extra nice, obedient and apologetic is pretty much the best way to get on the "in case of annulment, just lock up" list.

Oh, I agree completely. But not necessarily every Templar and not necessarily every branch of the Chantry will want to even engage in this war. Also, regardless of how apologetic people are, I assume some extremists on the Templar side would say, "Uh, no. You're too big a risk."

There's extremism on both sides, alas, though I think the majority just want peace and don't want it to escalate too far. I'd like to hope that when everyone's done with the initial fighting and slaughter (it'll be mutual, I have no doubt), someone will try and seek a calmer alternative. It has to end somewhere at some point. Even if it takes a few years.

On second thought, in the Free Marches, I may even try and seek out Tevinter aid. That would add some fun to the dynamic! And in Tevinter, I'd be like, "Mwahahaha, a chance to expand the Empire once more!"

And of course, in any of these instances, the threat of the Rite of Tranquility would make me flip out and either beg for forgiveness or try to flee.

Modifié par Hawkeyed Cai Li, 05 avril 2011 - 01:14 .

[Lithuasil]

Hawkeyed Cai Li wrote...

Oh, I agree completely. But not necessarily every Templar and not necessarily every branch of the Chantry will want to even engage in this war. Also, regardless of how apologetic people are, I assume some extremists on the Templar side would say, "Uh, no. You're too big a risk."
 

Some extremists are going to say that, sure, but given the lingering threat of blights, or even worse, Qunari, disposing of all mages is no viable option for thedas. So the trick is to be apologetic enough, that some less extreme templar will step in 

[Punahedan]

Lithuasil wrote...

Hawkeyed Cai Li wrote...

Oh, I agree completely. But not necessarily every Templar and not necessarily every branch of the Chantry will want to even engage in this war. Also, regardless of how apologetic people are, I assume some extremists on the Templar side would say, "Uh, no. You're too big a risk."
 

Some extremists are going to say that, sure, but given the lingering threat of blights, or even worse, Qunari, disposing of all mages is no viable option for thedas. So the trick is to be apologetic enough, that some less extreme templar will step in 

And people will be like, "Wait, they're people, too, sort of. We can't kill them." And there's also the theory running around (You can gift the book to Wynne) that Andraste was a mage. 

Aequitarians get a fair shot, then, too, once our non-extremist Templars step in. I imagine they're not too thrilled about Anders' "FOR GREAT JUSTICE!!!" Especially when Elthina was the very spokesperson for the aequitarian line of thinking from the Chantry side (Irving and Wynne are already examples that the mages have that). "Hey, look, that **** just killed the person that proves us right because he wanted to force an unnecessary ultimatum. Clearly he was hiding the fact that we are right! We do not need every made in Thedas running free, I rather like doing research, and I like my feet being warm and cozy in the library. Okay? Okay... so... can you not breathe down our necks now..."

And now I'm just preaching aequitarianism for no other reason than to preach it. I'm gonna shut m'self up now. I've made my point...

[Mnemnosyne]

As others have noted, without further information on two factors: What do we actually hear, and what are the conditions like in our Circle, it'd be hard to answer that question.

If the conditions are somewhere between Kirkwall and Ferelden though, I'd probably be making my battle and escape plans. The Ferelden circle seemed somewhat ok, but even there I'd want to get out, and if conditions were any worse than that I'd probably already have had plans and thoughts of escaping pretty consistently. So most likely I would end up being one of the people that starts the rebellion in my particular Circle.

[Lithuasil]

Hawkeyed Cai Li wrote... 

And now I'm just preaching aequitarianism for no other reason than to preach it. I'm gonna shut m'self up now. I've made my point...

Nevermind that, though I'm kind of at a loss, where the difference between loyalists and aequitarians was again 

[Punahedan]

Lithuasil wrote...

Nevermind that, though I'm kind of at a loss, where the difference between loyalists and aequitarians was again 

Is that a serious question, or are you making fun of me? xD

[Lithuasil]

Hawkeyed Cai Li wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...

Nevermind that, though I'm kind of at a loss, where the difference between loyalists and aequitarians was again 

Is that a serious question, or are you making fun of me? xD

Given I found First Enchanter sleeping pills voice incredibly hard to listen to, and didn't really pay attention in the mage origin, that's actually a serious queistion 

[Punahedan]

Lithuasil wrote...


Given I found First Enchanter sleeping pills voice incredibly hard to listen to, and didn't really pay attention in the mage origin, that's actually a serious queistion 

Just checking. Can never be sure these days.

Also, I'm just basing it on what I know and guess, I'm not 100% sure on this.

Essentially, the Apologists/Loyalists often take the form of wishing they'd never been mages; they believe the Chantry is right in locking them up or keeping them in check. Magic dangerous and its power too often abused to be valuable. Mages should help man, not rule over him. They are often allies of the Aequitarians. If you remember the Mage Origin, there was a girl in the Chantry praying to be saved from her magic. You can suggest she be made tranquil, and she considers it immediately. She would be an apologist.

Aequitarians are the majority of the Circle, at least in Ferelden. They take that rickety middle path - yes, magic is dangerous and mages should be watched. But the solution is to teach them how to handle it, warn them against demons and train them to handle their abilities, not to turn them all Tranquil or to lock them up and never have them see the light of day again. There's a set of rules mages should go by to help others. But because it's more of a coalition than anything, it's obviously a little more loosey goosey than the others. Some aequitarians, I'm sure, just like being surrounded by books. It's easier on elves, too.

Personally, I'd enjoy being a mage in Ferelden's Circle. I've got food, warmth, shelter, things to read and research, I can be trained in defending myself if the Darkspawn suddenly erupt from the ground, and I'm not athletic to begin with. Do I think Templars need to watch us while we take a ******? No. But it's nice knowing that if my bunkmate turns into an abomination, someone's there to lop his head off.

[Beerfish]

I would be totally aghast because I don't believe in the mass murder of innocents, especially the chantry that does a lot of good. I would also be very upset and fearful because I would know there was going to be a pretty good chance of a major templar crack down and a great hatred of mages among the populace.

In essence I'd curse Anders for his selfish and stupid actions that I am sure will do the exact oppposite of what he 'says' he wants.

Modifié par Beerfish, 05 avril 2011 - 01:58 .

[Lithuasil]

Hawkeyed Cai Li wrote...
Personally, I'd enjoy being a mage in Ferelden's Circle. I've got food, warmth, shelter, things to read and research, I can be trained in defending myself if the Darkspawn suddenly erupt from the ground, and I'm not athletic to begin with. Do I think Templars need to watch us while we take a ******? No. But it's nice knowing that if my bunkmate turns into an abomination, someone's there to lop his head off.

Thanks   

As for the quoted part - that's what a lot of people overlook imho. Given the state Thedas is in, chances are like 90% you'd be born into some peasant/lowtown family anyway, and living in a circle like ferelden is essentially a massive improvement of overall living conditions, given the average peasant isn't exactly free to begin with, and unlike highwaymen and bandits, templars abusing their power, actually have to fear consequences, if they get caught. 

If I lived in thedas, I'd probably, depending on where I lived, end up somewhere between loyalist and Aequitarian.

[TheBlackBaron]

Probably the very same reaction I had when I first saw the scene - "Goddamnit, Anders!"

As some sort of weird hybrid Libertarian-Lucrosian, I'd view that blowing up the Chantry does nothing besides inciting hatred against all mages and bringing down an indiscriminate crackdown from the Divine. In other words, it would do nothing to bring mages further freedoms and would actually accomplish the exact opposite.

Also, blood is very expensive and bad for business. The Circles' main source of income appears to be selling enchantments and magical items, and that would dry up pretty quickly after this thing goes to open war.

[Avilia]

"Sh!t. Is Templar Bran looking at me funny?" *run*

Seriously, blowing up the Chantry does nothing but build popular hate against mages. It may have caused havoc, but it guarantees nothing but more mage deaths in the short term. As to the long term...