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[Sarielle]

Doing a second playthrough, and Bethany is such a sweetie...so I don't really ever see myself being able to distance myself enough from that (plus my family is very important to me irl, also hard to distance from) to go pro-Templar as a non-mage. That said, I DO want to pursue this avenue at some point....which really only leaves me as a mage...supporting the Templars.

Thing is, I'm having trouble making it make sense. I need to have a pretty solid idea of a character before I start, and I just can't come up with one for this.

If anyone else has gone down this path, what was your character's justification?

[Vormaerin]

Two options: send Bethany to the wardens, so her fate isn't tied to the Circle is one.

Or, as a mage, realize that the Circle is really a haven of corrupt blood mages and that by supporting the Templars, you as a mage and Champion are able to say "see, not all mages are cool with blowing up the temple and using blood magic and being sexay with demons."

Or:  Hahaha, fewer mages to rival my awesomeness.  Die, competitors, die!

Modifié par Vormaerin, 04 avril 2011 - 11:19 .

[Kinaori]

I couldn't and didn't support the Templars (either as a Mage myself, or with an apostate sister).

That is, of course, until Anders made me go 'Goddammit Anders!'. Then my knee jerk reaction was to side with the Templars. Then I felt stupid for going with my knee jerk reaction, because logically, just because that was the cause Anders tied his stupid act to, doesn't make his cause any less right. If there were any reason to believe people could objectively separate the two (which of course there isn't), there would be no question that the Circle and the Tranquility policy should not stand.

[Ryzaki]

Simple look at the overabundance of bloodmages, listen to Seb's quests and the "Divine March" because of the issue with mages and purge the circle and try to save as many mages as possible.

The lesser evil so to speak.

Meredith already sent for the rite of annullment. At least if Hawke's there s/he can try to minmize the damage. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 04 avril 2011 - 11:22 .

[Lithuasil]

Not at all.

[Torax]

The only flaw in it all to me is how Meredith takes the stand of "DEATH TO ALL MAGES!" Where if you are standing there as an Apostate. Is there never a spot in your mind that "Hmm, would she stop at just the Circle Mages?"

[Lithuasil]

Torax wrote...

The only flaw in it all to me is how Meredith takes the stand of "DEATH TO ALL MAGES!" Where if you are standing there as an Apostate. Is there never a spot in your mind that "Hmm, would she stop at just the Circle Mages?"

Especially since the rite of annulment covers every mage in reach, circle, apostate, tevinter ambassador... 

[Virginian]

Easy. As a Mage who abhors blood mages & every evil Mage you meet in the game is a blood Mage they make it easy to RA on their blood soaked robes.

[Herr Uhl]

Lithuasil wrote...

Torax wrote...

The only flaw in it all to me is how Meredith takes the stand of "DEATH TO ALL MAGES!" Where if you are standing there as an Apostate. Is there never a spot in your mind that "Hmm, would she stop at just the Circle Mages?"

Especially since the rite of annulment covers every mage in reach, circle, apostate, tevinter ambassador... 

It doesn't.

[Most Definitely Sane]

The number of blood mages, what happened to Leandra, the hints about Orsino, Seb, those crazies in Act of Mercy...

[Iosev]

You could roleplay as a loyalist mage; that is, your Hawke is a devout Andrastrian that believes that his or her magic is a curse. An example would be Keili, from the magi origin in DA:O.  If I recall correctly, she likens the Rite of Annulment to the sword that pierced Andraste.

Modifié par arcelonious, 04 avril 2011 - 11:30 .

[Vormaerin]

Well, supporting the Templars and thinking Meredith is right are two different things. I personally wanted to get rid of Orsino *and* Meredith, so the ending actually worked out for me.

If Meredith wants to go after you even after you publicly support law and order by executing the criminal, purging the Tower, and all that...well Civil War, baby. You have the Guards on your side (or should) and she's a got a bunch of Templars looking at her crosseyed.

[Cutlass Jack]

I have a harder time not supporting the Templars rather than the reverse, quite honestly.

Lots of Reasons...your mother was murdered by a mage doing evil experiments outside Chantry oversight. That's a big one right There. Research that Orsinio helped with (You can find his initial on a note right in the evil lair)

Then of course you have Anders as a shining example of what mages can do outside of Circle control. Then Pretty much every time you run into a mage on the run they without exception go down the Blood magic route. Even when you side with the mages, they still do bloodmagic, and become abominations.

Many of the Templars really do want to do the right thing. And you can do far better damage control from their side than the mage side.Sure Merideth is a nutjob. But by aiding the templars you're living proof that the Annulment is wrong. That not all mages are bad.

[Mnemnosyne]

As a mage, if you're afraid of her, you might side with her just to try to ensure she doesn't turn on you next. Rationally this is a bad plan, but it's still very common human behavior to ignore abuses against someone else as long as you are personally left out of it.

It's also possible to generally agree that the Circle should be annulled. There's plenty of reason for it - the quests leading up to that show that the Circle in Kirkwall is full of blood mages and such, and even the ones who don't appear to be an active part of the conspiracy are covering for the ones who are, and if you believe blood magic is evil, then you have ample justification for annulling the Circle.

However, if you don't personally believe blood magic is evil then there's really no way I can see to justify siding with the templars at this point other than pure irrational 'sure, do it to them as long as you leave me out of it' fear of being targeted.

Modifié par Koyasha, 04 avril 2011 - 11:30 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Or you could play an ambitious mage who wants to be a Viscount. Wouldn't be entirely smart as the Chantry would not likely tolerate an apostate ruler of a city-state (and an important one at that).

Speaking of which, can a mage become viscount?

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 04 avril 2011 - 11:30 .

[Cutlass Jack]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Speaking of which, can a mage become viscount?

Yes indeed. My wife's mage went exactly that route.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Cool. It doesn't have to be about pure ambition only. That mage can genuinely believe that as Viscount, he / she can fix the mess. Would be in vain apparently, but a worthy attempt.

[Lithuasil]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...

Torax wrote...

The only flaw in it all to me is how Meredith takes the stand of "DEATH TO ALL MAGES!" Where if you are standing there as an Apostate. Is there never a spot in your mind that "Hmm, would she stop at just the Circle Mages?"

Especially since the rite of annulment covers every mage in reach, circle, apostate, tevinter ambassador... 

It doesn't.

Guess the loading screens have been lying to me, then.

[Axekix]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

I have a harder time not supporting the Templars rather than the reverse, quite honestly.

Lots of Reasons...your mother was murdered by a mage doing evil experiments outside Chantry oversight. That's a big one right There. Research that Orsinio helped with (You can find his initial on a note right in the evil lair)

This one is a pretty big reason in and of itself.  I mean considering that, IDK how you can trust him enough to side with him.

Siding with the templars doesn't mean you have to just masacre everyone mercilessly btw.  You can still try to keep casualties to a minimum.

[TheBlackBaron]

Vormaerin wrote...

Two options: send Bethany to the wardens, so her fate isn't tied to the Circle is one.

Or, as a mage, realize that the Circle is really a haven of corrupt blood mages and that by supporting the Templars, you as a mage and Champion are able to say "see, not all mages are cool with blowing up the temple and using blood magic and being sexay with demons."

Or:  Hahaha, fewer mages to rival my awesomeness.  Die, competitors, die!

That second option seems like the wisest course of action if you want to play a mage who sides with the Templars. Doesn't even have to mean your Hawke is (or rather, would be if they were a Circle mage) a Loyalist to the Chantry, just that they recognize there have to be limits and mass murdering ain't cool. 

I'm currently on my own second playthrough and am planning to have my rogue side with the Templars this time around, with the justification that much of the Circle is out of control and to try and do damage control by keeping Meredith in check. Bethany is going to the Circle on this one, so that's added reasoning to save as many of the "good" mages as possible from Annulment. 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 04 avril 2011 - 11:36 .

[Vormaerin]

Lithuasil wrote...


Guess the loading screens have been lying to me, then.

What loading screen is that?   Apostates are already subject to capture and enrollment in the Circle without the Rite.  Tevinter ambassadors, if they are magisters (which is unlikely), would be protected by diplomatic courtesy.  

But the Rite itself only involves dissolution of the Circle and execution of its members.  Its only intended to be used if the Circle is beyond redemption, as the Kirkwall one was.  Its really only a matter of doubt because the Templars there are sooo corrupt that supporting them is icky.   But other than Bethany (if she's in the Circle) there's little evidence of much of anything salvageable there.

[Ryzaki]

Torax wrote...

The only flaw in it all to me is how Meredith takes the stand of "DEATH TO ALL MAGES!" Where if you are standing there as an Apostate. Is there never a spot in your mind that "Hmm, would she stop at just the Circle Mages?"

Which is exactly what my suicidal mage who lost everything in Kirkwall was planning on. Alas Cullen decided to be a BDH. 

[Iosev]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Vormaerin wrote...

Two options: send Bethany to the wardens, so her fate isn't tied to the Circle is one.

Or, as a mage, realize that the Circle is really a haven of corrupt blood mages and that by supporting the Templars, you as a mage and Champion are able to say "see, not all mages are cool with blowing up the temple and using blood magic and being sexay with demons."

Or:  Hahaha, fewer mages to rival my awesomeness.  Die, competitors, die!

That second option seems like the wisest course of action if you want to play a mage who sides with the Templars. Doesn't even have to mean your Hawke is (or rather, would be if they were a Circle mage) a Loyalist to the Chantry, just that they recognize there have to be limits and mass murdering ain't cool. 

I'm currently on my own second playthrough and am planning to have my rogue side with the Templars this time around, with the justification that much of the Circle is out of control and to try and do damage control by keeping Meredith in check. Bethany is going to the Circle on this one, so that's added reasoning to save as many of the "good" mages as possible from Annulment. 

But doesn't siding with Meredith mean that you're siding with her decision for the Rite of Annulment, which is ultimately mass murder?

[Spetulhu]

Sided with the templars on my second playthrough and my Hawke put it very well to Merrill. Let's end this fight as fast as we can so as few people as possible get hurt. If you can end a war with 100 dead instead of 1000, or ten thousand... why not? I saw that playthrough as me not being actively pro-anyone except my city, and ending the fight as fast as I could was the reasonable thing.

[Vormaerin]

Lawfully executing criminals is not usually classified as murder.