Herr Uhl wrote...
Lithuasil wrote...
Torax wrote...
The only flaw in it all to me is how Meredith takes the stand of "DEATH TO ALL MAGES!" Where if you are standing there as an Apostate. Is there never a spot in your mind that "Hmm, would she stop at just the Circle Mages?"
Especially since the rite of annulment covers every mage in reach, circle, apostate, tevinter ambassador...
It doesn't.
Vormaerin wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
Also read up on the Rite of Annulment. Once declared all circle mages must be killed. There is no discretion. What Cullen did was open mutiny and every Templar knew it.
-Polaris
Cullen doesn't know everything you do. He thinks he's right, but he's not.
And I'm not getting into another argument with you about how you alone understand the meaning of subjective, limited sample texts of fantasy world lore.
Cullen mutinied because he defied his superior's orders. But I find it unlikely that if he was legally obliged to kill everyone that he would be supported by the rest against that order. But who knows? We certainly don't have the information to know for sure.
AshenEndemion wrote...
ddv.rsa wrote...
Vormaerin wrote...
Well, Meredith isn't wrong about the need to Annul the circle. But her pretext is obviously just that. Also, Hawke at least is well aware that Anders is in close contact with mages within the Circle, so its not unreasonable to believe he did not act entirely alone.
Why do you think she is justified?
The Circle is lost. There is no recovery for it. It is headed by a maleficar. Maleficarum freely practice their craft within the Circle. And the mages of the Circle do not even attempt to turn in the Maleficarum amongst them. Rather they protect each other from punishment, and therefore all are complicit. Kirkwall is the triumphant example as to why the Rite of Annulment should be an option for the Templars.
But the pretext for call is just that, it does not change the fact that the Kirkwall Circle needed to be Annuled.
IanPolaris wrote...
None of that means the circle is beyond redemption enough to justify the mass murder of at least hundreds if not thousands of people most of whom are inoocent. There is NO EVIDENCE (and plenty of contary evidence) that Anders had any help from the cirfcle in bombing the cathedral. Meridith even aknowledge this when Orsino point that out and doesn't care. She virtually dances with glee at the thought of mass mage slaughter. Watch the scenes. tt's borderline sick.
-Polaris
Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 05 avril 2011 - 12:43 .
AshenEndemion wrote...
Vormaerin wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
Also read up on the Rite of Annulment. Once declared all circle mages must be killed. There is no discretion. What Cullen did was open mutiny and every Templar knew it.
-Polaris
Cullen doesn't know everything you do. He thinks he's right, but he's not.
And I'm not getting into another argument with you about how you alone understand the meaning of subjective, limited sample texts of fantasy world lore.
Cullen mutinied because he defied his superior's orders. But I find it unlikely that if he was legally obliged to kill everyone that he would be supported by the rest against that order. But who knows? We certainly don't have the information to know for sure.
Somehow, I think Cullen knows more about the inner workings of the Rite of Annulment than Polaris does....
And as such, he probably wasn't "defying orders" or "mutinying" at all....
Vormaerin wrote...
Cullen mutinied because he defied his superior's orders. But I find it unlikely that if he was legally obliged to kill everyone that he would be supported by the rest against that order. But who knows? We certainly don't have the information to know for sure.
Cutlass Jack wrote...
If you're playing a mage siding with the templars (as the thread topic) Bethany is long long dead Ian.
IanPolaris wrote...
So Bethany should die because Orsino is a bloodmage...something that NOBODY knows untill the very, very end.
Really? Honestly? You think what happened was enough to justify mass murder in indeed genocide. That's what the Rite of Annulment is after all: Genocide. The conditions weren't even remotely bad enough to justify it and Knight Captain Cullen of all poeple says so and says so openly.
-Polaris
ddv.rsa wrote...
Vormaerin wrote...
Cullen mutinied because he defied his superior's orders. But I find it unlikely that if he was legally obliged to kill everyone that he would be supported by the rest against that order. But who knows? We certainly don't have the information to know for sure.
Ian knows!
IanPolaris wrote...
We are told by multiple people including Cullen in both games and in the various bits of game lore that the Rite of Annulmentrequires the execution of all circle mages. That's established game lore. Cullen mutinies because he doesn't think the Rite is justified and says so.
-Polaris
Modifié par ddv.rsa, 05 avril 2011 - 12:49 .
IanPolaris wrote...
AshenEndemion wrote...
Somehow, I think Cullen knows more about the inner workings of the Rite of Annulment than Polaris does....
And as such, he probably wasn't "defying orders" or "mutinying" at all....
We are told by multiple people including Cullen in both games and in the various bits of game lore that the Rite of Annulment requires the execution of all circle mages. That's established game lore. Cullen mutinies because he doesn't think the Rite is justified and says so.
-Polaris
AshenEndemion wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
So Bethany should die because Orsino is a bloodmage...something that NOBODY knows untill the very, very end.
Really? Honestly? You think what happened was enough to justify mass murder in indeed genocide. That's what the Rite of Annulment is after all: Genocide. The conditions weren't even remotely bad enough to justify it and Knight Captain Cullen of all poeple says so and says so openly.
-Polaris
Firstly, Yes. If she knew, or should have known, and didn't tell anyone, then she deserved to die. She certainly should have known about the other blood mages in the Circle. Did she say anything? Doubtful.
As for "genocide." Potato-Potato. I don't call it genocide. Nor do I call it "mass murder." I call it "the legal execution of prisoners lawfully convicted of a crime." Because that's what it is.
IanPolaris wrote...
So Bethany should die because Orsino is a bloodmage...something that NOBODY knows untill the very, very end.
-Polaris
arcelonious wrote...
If I'm not mistaken, isn't the authority of the Rite of Annulment only given to a Grand Cleric?
AshenEndemion wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
AshenEndemion wrote...
Somehow, I think Cullen knows more about the inner workings of the Rite of Annulment than Polaris does....
And as such, he probably wasn't "defying orders" or "mutinying" at all....
We are told by multiple people including Cullen in both games and in the various bits of game lore that the Rite of Annulment requires the execution of all circle mages. That's established game lore. Cullen mutinies because he doesn't think the Rite is justified and says so.
-Polaris
Yeah... the statement still stands that Cullen likely knows a tad more about how the Rite of Annulment works than you or I do. Unless you live in Thedas? And happen to be a Templar?
Vormaerin wrote...
arcelonious wrote...
If I'm not mistaken, isn't the authority of the Rite of Annulment only given to a Grand Cleric?
Yeah, but David Gaider said that with no Grand Cleric, the Knight Commander is acting leader of the Circle and could legally issue the order.
ddv.rsa wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
We are told by multiple people including Cullen in both games and in the various bits of game lore that the Rite of Annulmentrequires the execution of all circle mages. That's established game lore. Cullen mutinies because he doesn't think the Rite is justified and says so.
-Polaris
You also thought Meredith's order being illegal was established game lore, just saying..
Anyway, I recently replayed the final battle. Cullen never says it isn't justified, he only says in Ferelden the situation was clear, and now it's harder to tell.
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
lol here we go again.
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