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[FreyaWazHere]

I'm at 337 votes, more numbers if I make 400! Thanks for participating so far!

I see a common complaint concerning question three, I think there may either be some confusion because of how I phrased the answers.

I more so meant that do you prefer making history as you go, and being able to decide and really effect the game with doing things like killing possible party-mates, picking the were-wolves over elves, having Alistair be killed or banished versus making him king. This makes the game present and history changing as you go.

No matter what you do, whose side you choose in DA2 Hawke will always become Champion, always have to deal with the templars and mages, and will always kill the same people. The only choice you have really is what tone of voice he has, and what class.

That's what I meant in game styles, the free choices vs set story.

[DeathStride]

FreyaWazHere wrote...

I'm at 337 votes, more numbers if I make 400! Thanks for participating so far!

I see a common complaint concerning question three, I think there may either be some confusion because of how I phrased the answers.

I more so meant that do you prefer making history as you go, and being able to decide and really effect the game with doing things like killing possible party-mates, picking the were-wolves over elves, having Alistair be killed or banished versus making him king. This makes the game present and history changing as you go.

No matter what you do, whose side you choose in DA2 Hawke will always become Champion, always have to deal with the templars and mages, and will always kill the same people. The only choice you have really is what tone of voice he has, and what class.

That's what I meant in game styles, the free choices vs set story.

The thing is, while I agree that DA2 has less choice(or maybe just less meaningful choices) than DAO, it does have a lot of it. I really can't go into detail since this is a "No Spoiler" zone but by lumping the "choice in games & DAO" and "no choice in games & DA2" together, you create a massive bias in the survey results by making people have to choose DAO if they like choice in games even if they liked DA2 or maybe even thought it had more (or more meaningful) choices than Origins.

The choices in DA2 were simply more mage/templar than other groups, which as I said, seem less meaningful because they're always between the same two groups and because they don't seem to have much weight. But comparing the endgame events to "not being able to choose" is like saying one can't choose in Origins because they have to fight the Archdemon anyway. The truth is you CAN choose between the sides in DA2, what happens at the end doesn't stop you from doing that.

I still am glad you're doing the survey and also that you're using something that allows you to ask multiple questions and(hopefully) tie the answers to each other by which were chosen together instead of using the BW site polls. Also, I don't mean to accuse you of "gaming the system" or anythng, I understand that the bias was probably unintentional.

Modifié par DeathStride, 06 avril 2011 - 03:20 .

[Eydris Ivo]

I've completed it! What a great idea!

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

Done and done. Good questions and choices. I'm itching to see the results now.

[Bryy_Miller]

Voted.

[chunkyman]

Good survey. I wonder if it will have any impact on DA3.

[FreyaWazHere]

DeathStride wrote...

The thing is, while I agree that DA2 has less choice(or maybe just less meaningful choices) than DAO, it does have a lot of it. I really can't go into detail since this is a "No Spoiler" zone but by lumping the "choice in games & DAO" and "no choice in games & DA2" together, you create a massive bias in the survey results by making people have to choose DAO if they like choice in games even if they liked DA2 or maybe even thought it had more (or more meaningful) choices than Origins.

The choices in DA2 were simply more mage/templar than other groups, which as I said, seem less meaningful because they're always between the same two groups and because they don't seem to have much weight. But comparing the endgame events to "not being able to choose" is like saying one can't choose in Origins because they have to fight the Archdemon anyway. The truth is you CAN choose between the sides in DA2, what happens at the end doesn't stop you from doing that.

I still am glad you're doing the survey and also that you're using something that allows you to ask multiple questions and(hopefully) tie the answers to each other by which were chosen together instead of using the BW site polls. Also, I don't mean to accuse you of "gaming the system" or anythng, I understand that the bias was probably unintentional.

Full unintentional. I just wanted to get a better picture of which game was considered better. But thats why all the questions have an 'Fine with both' option. Honestly I played 2 before Origins, and thought 2 was solid, but I couldn't wait to see how Origins was, So spent part of  my paycheck on the ultimate eddition and had a blast.

I can't actually say I prefer one game over the other. Because DA2 wasn't a direct sequel, it seems foolish to treat it them as such. I mean like I love Half-life and Assassins Creed, but those series are sequels and should be similar and should be linear with mechanics. But to me trying to compare Origins to 2 is like trying to compare games from the Final Fantasy franchise. Its just silly.

[Killer3000ad]

chunkyman wrote...

Good survey. I wonder if it will have any impact on DA3.

Quite a few polls running across the board about DA2 and how it compares to DA:O. I am sure Bioware is mindful of the feedback. Question is, will they consider these polls, which rarely get more than a few hundred votes, to be an accurate representation of the whole community? Anyone can easily dismiss the polls and surveys with,"We sold X million copies, these polls only have 1000 votes, they aren't accurate, k thx bai!"

Then again pre-election polls tend to have a small sample, compared to the total number of eligible voters, but they are often held up as a barometer of how the real election will go.

Modifié par Killer3000ad, 06 avril 2011 - 04:04 .

[Brockololly]

Yeah, I'd really like to see BioWare send out an official survey or something about DA2.

I know they have their telemetry and all, but I wonder if they interpret that correctly without context from the players. Something like seeing tons of people switch the difficulty to casual half way through might not be indicative of the game being too hard but rather combat being terribly boring and switching to easy to just get through it.

Modifié par Brockololly, 06 avril 2011 - 04:22 .

[Shazzie]

Took the survey.
Had problems with some responses- such as #7, re: the elves. I wanted to like the changes, but some of them were horrible, and Zevran was really badly re-done. Not the fault of the survey, mind you, I know it's hard to fit all possible options. For #8, re: Qunari... I like the changes, I just don't like how the new Qunari are all clones.

All in all, though, good survey! Thanks for continuing to track the responses.

[Alelsa]

Voted.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Brockololly wrote...

Yeah, I'd really like to see BioWare send out an official survey or something about DA2.

I know they have their telemetry and all, but I wonder if they interpret that correctly without context from the players. Something like seeing tons of people switch the difficulty to casual half way through might not be indicative of the game being too hard but rather combat being terribly boring and switching to easy to just get through it.

Good point. A lot of people create lots of characters, but never finish them. Is the game too hard or where they just playing with the character generator? And do the abandoned characters count in determining whether they played a male or female Hawke? A survey might give a better picture than telemetry, because it allows you to ask things like that.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 06 avril 2011 - 05:25 .

[PsychoBlonde]

 I have a complicated opinion on the elves so I'll state it here because I couldn't really decide on an option:

I like the BUILD on the elves in DA2 better, but in most cases the faces look AWFUL.  I thought Merril and Fenris looked good--their faces were built to house the large, round eyes and their jawlines looked natural if pointed.  Most of the "random" elves looked like they needed narrower eyes and their jawline was effed up.

But I like that the male elves are now as tall as female humans, I like the athletic, but acrobatic build a lot.  Just for the love of pete fix their faces.

And I don't care one way or another about the accents.

[FreyaWazHere]

Filament wrote...

Did you want us to tell you that we voted? Because I did.

Haha, no you didn't have too, replying here is just a way to bump up the thread and to discuss your veiws and offer some response and critidues to my survey or clear up a possible misconception.

[TheJiveDJ]

Polls are a very good way of gathering data indeed......the data doesn't lie...and what it shows is clear as day.......so who do we blame? BioWare or EA?


Edit:  Accidental rhyme FTW!!

Modifié par TheJiveDJ, 06 avril 2011 - 06:23 .

[myztikrice]

Need an option that says like Voiced protagonist but not dialog where the text doesn't match what they actually say.

[Noojers]

post the results

[Peck7]

Absolutely no discredit to the OP and his noble efforts, but I too would prefer to have a lengthy, carefully considered survey made by Bioware. Announced on all the forums to get a sample of likely over 100,000 or more. I'm sure people offsite would do it too if it got listed on gaming news sites and things.

Surely this would be more efficient and would paint a better picture for them than reading through a never ending pile of in depth reviews. Please Bioware? I think I speak for everyone when I say that the community is eager to help improve Dragon Age 2.

[aDaigo]

DeathStride wrote...

FreyaWazHere wrote...

I'm at 337 votes, more numbers if I make 400! Thanks for participating so far!

I see a common complaint concerning question three, I think there may either be some confusion because of how I phrased the answers.

I more so meant that do you prefer making history as you go, and being able to decide and really effect the game with doing things like killing possible party-mates, picking the were-wolves over elves, having Alistair be killed or banished versus making him king. This makes the game present and history changing as you go.

No matter what you do, whose side you choose in DA2 Hawke will always become Champion, always have to deal with the templars and mages, and will always kill the same people. The only choice you have really is what tone of voice he has, and what class.

That's what I meant in game styles, the free choices vs set story.

The thing is, while I agree that DA2 has less choice(or maybe just less meaningful choices) than DAO, it does have a lot of it. I really can't go into detail since this is a "No Spoiler" zone but by lumping the "choice in games & DAO" and "no choice in games & DA2" together, you create a massive bias in the survey results by making people have to choose DAO if they like choice in games even if they liked DA2 or maybe even thought it had more (or more meaningful) choices than Origins.

The choices in DA2 were simply more mage/templar than other groups, which as I said, seem less meaningful because they're always between the same two groups and because they don't seem to have much weight. But comparing the endgame events to "not being able to choose" is like saying one can't choose in Origins because they have to fight the Archdemon anyway. The truth is you CAN choose between the sides in DA2, what happens at the end doesn't stop you from doing that.

I still am glad you're doing the survey and also that you're using something that allows you to ask multiple questions and(hopefully) tie the answers to each other by which were chosen together instead of using the BW site polls. Also, I don't mean to accuse you of "gaming the system" or anythng, I understand that the bias was probably unintentional.

What a complete load of bull. Well done.

[Boiny Bunny]

Indeed that was a load of bull. DA2 continually asks you to make exactly the same choice over and over (mage or templar) - each time you make the choice - it does virtually nothing at all to the entire plot of the game. If you've been pro-mage for the whole game, then randomly decide to switch to templar at the very end, no impact whatsoever. No different to if you'd been pro-templar from the very beginning.

The problem is that the choices are meaningless. Even the dialogue choices are utterly meaningless, where often you are left with the options of:

1) Yes [Nice, peaceful tone of voice]
2) Yes [Sarcastic/witty tone of voice]
3) Yes [Angry tone of voice]

Compared to say KOTOR where you had:

1) Yes, I'll help you and give you all of my money and pledge myself to give all my future money to your family.

2) Nah, I'm not getting involved, the thugs can kill you if they like.

3) Hahaha, I'm gonna gut the thugs then you and steal your money, then I'm going to burn down your house and kill your children too!

Something in between would be good in their next game!

[randName]

Voted.

Boiny Bunny wrote...
Compared to say KOTOR where you had:

Remember that in KOTOR you could throw out all your choice when talking to Bastila at the temple, and change sides just like that.

So wouldn't place KOTOR especially high up on the list, but there were good chocies, esp. for a BioWare game through out the game, same with Jade Empire, and DA:O.

but I'd rather point to FO1&2, PST and other cRPG games.

Modifié par randName, 06 avril 2011 - 09:34 .

[Perles75]

done

I suggest to record the progression of the results by editing the first post periodically.

Modifié par Perles75, 06 avril 2011 - 10:36 .

[v_ware]

randName wrote...

Voted.

Boiny Bunny wrote...
Compared to say KOTOR where you had:

Remember that in KOTOR you could throw out all your choice when talking to Bastila at the temple, and change sides just like that.

So wouldn't place KOTOR especially high up on the list, but there were good chocies, esp. for a BioWare game through out the game, same with Jade Empire, and DA:O.

but I'd rather point to FO1&2, PST and other cRPG games.

KOTOR is 8 years old and still has more and better choices then DA2.

It's just overall much better then DA2.

Modifié par v_ware, 06 avril 2011 - 11:08 .

[Boiny Bunny]

Hmm...it's been awhile but if I recall correctly, in KOTOR you were somewhat constrained at the end by the character you had become over the game. If your light side bar was almost full (or not in the dark side zone) - was it possible to side with Bastila and become evil?

Well, even if it was, KOTOR at least had many meaningful choices along the way. Even if some of them were a little over the top in terms of extreme actions.

In DA2 it doesn't feel like you ever have a choice. Often, even when you refuse a quest (the game gives you the specific 'refuse' icon), the game ignores your decision and gives you the quest anyway. What is the point of showing the option if you won't let the player choose it?