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[hovrankid]

Dude, after having released her from the gem, i didn't think about her the rest of the game. She has to have something to do with the story line. As i type this her picture art is posted on the website back ground art. Legendary witch magician? Blood mages rebel in Templar stronghold city of Kirkwall? Story line says people think Dragons are extinct, you realease Flemeth who turns into a dragon, and the dragon population progressively gets worse, until you kill a 'high dragon', but it couldn't have been her with more plot involved. Maybe an expansion sheds some light on her involvment, or maybe she has something to do with Fenriel(the Dreamer).
 I think Flemeth has a cool exterior personality, aside from the bad jokes, she seems to be wise and care about the well being of almost all characters. What do you think? Maybe the entire plot focuses around her magic power in an expansion or something.

$%#6& was a dragon.

[papality]

yeah it seems way too much is made of flemeth, or not enough, or something.... like, she's so ludicrously unimportant in the story. yeah sure she 'rescued' you in the beginning, but you know, i'm pretty sure i could have made it, just turn it down to casual and you rock everything pretty easily...

[Caja]

@ hovrankind:
Have you played Origins? I'm just asking because there is no icon beneath your avatar and some of Flemeth's background is explored in Origins.

Yes, Flemeth is a legendary witch and she is a very powerfull shapeshifter, which explains why she can turn into a dragon. Who she really is remains unclear, though. One theory was that she was an abomination, but her "daughter" Morrigan said in "Witch Hunt" she would be something different.

Whether Flemeth really cares about other characters remains to be seen. She certainly pursues her own intentions. In addition she shows great insight in the future. So I'm pretty sure she has some kind of masterplan and that she will still play an important part in the DA universe.

Edit: And she has got some of the best lines in the game.

Modifié par Caja, 05 avril 2011 - 01:41 .

[papality]

she does not warrant being on the background of the site at all

[hovrankid]

Caja wrote...

@ hovrankind:
Have you played Origins? I'm just asking because there is no icon beneath your avatar and some of Flemeth's background is explored in Origins.

Yes, Flemeth is a legendary witch and she is a very powerfull shapeshifter, which explains why she can turn into a dragon. Who she really is remains unclear, though. One theory was that she was an abomination, but her "daughter" Morrigan said in "Witch Hunt" she would be something different.

Whether Flemeth really cares about other characters remains to be seen. She certainly pursues her own intentions. In addition she shows great insight in the future. So I'm pretty sure she has some kind of masterplan and that she will still play an important part in the DA universe.

Edit: And she has got some of the best lines in the game.

Yea i did play origins, and i remember stories being told of how she was actually some kind of spirit that inhabitted the the body of her daughter at the time, and that continued through her generations. I actually killed her for Morrigan in Origins because i thought she would posses her or something. As long as you show Flemeth good character, she seems to care about the well being of at least the main character. But your right, she pursues her own intentions and hides behind riddles.
I'm guessing somewhere down the storyline, in games to come, she's going to be a phsycopath pursue her self imagined destiny. Even on the previews, the voice talking about destiny is Flemeth. Also i do recall a small moment she has to question what the main characters 'purpose', or destiny is in 'all of this'. I think she has way more to do with the story than the direct story line lets on. Also i think Fenriel might be involved.

[Shadowrun1177]

I personally think Flemeth know's more then she lets on cause of her vague riddles and the advice she gives to Hawke about not holding on too tight to regret. Seems to me like she seems to know all the tragedy thats gonna happen to Hawke and how from personal experience it can effect someone. I don't think we'll know her exact role in the events of the DA Universe for awhile though.

[Torax]

The "Regret" line wasn't for Hawke. It was for your Sibling who comments about Regretting to bring Flemeth there. Keep in mind that since the Sibling is the one that spawns this. They will either be leaving you to be a Grey Warden or join the Templars/Circle. Where they may eventually regret the paths that got them there.

[Sarielle]

I first read this title as "Dating Flemeth," and I was all "...I could go for that."

/carry on!

[Shadowrun1177]

Except it could be directed at Hawke as well since what effects the sibling effects Hawke as well. Losing the sibling to death or wardens or circle/templar, and the later death of Hawke and sibling's mother both these events effect Hawke as well. It's Hawke's choice to take the sibling to the deep roads or not that leads to death, warden, or circle/templar. If they die in the deep roads why would they have to worry about regrets?

Modifié par Shadowrun1177, 05 avril 2011 - 02:52 .

[Lithuasil]

Why don't you have a seat over there?


Oh come one, someone had to.

[wulfsturm]

Flemeth for LI.

[Torax]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

Except it could be directed at Hawke as well since what effects the sibling effects Hawke as well. Losing the sibling to death or wardens or circle/templar, and the later death of Hawke and sibling's mother both these events effect Hawke as well. It's Hawke's choice to take the sibling to the deep roads or not that leads to death, warden, or circle/templar. If they die in the deep roads why would they have to worry about regrets?

Except that she is looking at and talking to your Sibling and not you. Just like if you have Anders or Fenris say anything. She is talking to them directly. Or do you assume her banter with Isabela is also directed at a female hawke...

[Shadowrun1177]

No I don't assume the banter directed at Isabela, Anders, Fenris, or Merril are directed at Hawke. And Flemeth is not looking at the sibling the whole time for that part it seems like it directed as a general statement more then directed directly at the sibling.

[Torax]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

No I don't assume the banter directed at Isabela, Anders, Fenris, or Merril are directed at Hawke. And Flemeth is not looking at the sibling the whole time for that part it seems like it directed as a general statement more then directed directly at the sibling.

I just ran it with Carver. She turned to Carver. Said her speach. This was also having her turn her head slightly right. She never moved her head while saying the entire "Regret" line. It was only to him and directed at him. You are just thinking it was meant for you.

[Cutlass Jack]

Torax wrote...

I just ran it with Carver. She turned to Carver. Said her speach. This was also having her turn her head slightly right. She never moved her head while saying the entire "Regret" line. It was only to him and directed at him. You are just thinking it was meant for you.

Now run it again without Carver in your party.

[hovrankid]

I really think Flemeths role is going to include Fenriel. Morrigan mentions something about a something similar to a demi-God child being born of her that would stop the blight because of the taint in the Darkspawns blood. But Flemeth mentions that Morrigan doesn't know everything like she thinks she does. Keeper Marethari, who is probably the most noble character in the game, says Fenriel is the first of his kind in two ages, and he is obviously sought after by powerful demons. The Seeker doesn't seem interested in Flemeth, or Fenriel, but they both have, or potentialy have remarkable magical powers and influence. Marethari mentions Fenriel can shape the fade, or change the fade, and that his power could cause mass destruction if put in the wrong hands. If Fenriel is shaping the Fade, all the of the Maleficarum occuring should have something with him. Just a thought, I'd actually be dissapointed if he had nothing to do with it. And logically, Flemeth would either seek to control him or teach him if so.

[Shadowrun1177]

Torax wrote...

I just ran it with Carver. She turned to Carver. Said her speach. This was also having her turn her head slightly right. She never moved her head while saying the entire "Regret" line. It was only to him and directed at him. You are just thinking it was meant for you.

We can agree to disagree, cause if Carver or Bethany die in the deep roads then Hawke is the only one alive to have regrets about taking them other then Leandra. While Carver/Bethany as a Warden and Hawke both can have regrets about being/taking them to the deep roads. Templar/Circle Hawke can have regrets about not taking them to the deep roads. Later when Leandra is killed by the Lilly Killer Hawke more then the siblings cause they are either dead or warden or templar/circle can have regrets about not being there in time to save her or not watching over her more carefully.

[Cutlass Jack]

hovrankid wrote...

I really think Flemeths role is going to include Fenriel. Morrigan mentions something about a something similar to a demi-God child being born of her that would stop the blight because of the taint in the Darkspawns blood. But Flemeth mentions that Morrigan doesn't know everything like she thinks she does. Keeper Marethari, who is probably the most noble character in the game, says Fenriel is the first of his kind in two ages, and he is obviously sought after by powerful demons. The Seeker doesn't seem interested in Flemeth, or Fenriel, but they both have, or potentialy have remarkable magical powers and influence. Marethari mentions Fenriel can shape the fade, or change the fade, and that his power could cause mass destruction if put in the wrong hands. If Fenriel is shaping the Fade, all the of the Maleficarum occuring should have something with him. Just a thought, I'd actually be dissapointed if he had nothing to do with it. And logically, Flemeth would either seek to control him or teach him if so.

I doubt he'll have a major role just for the simple fact you can make him Tranquil. If we see him again it will be in an optional capacity.

[Torax]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Torax wrote...

I just ran it with Carver. She turned to Carver. Said her speach. This was also having her turn her head slightly right. She never moved her head while saying the entire "Regret" line. It was only to him and directed at him. You are just thinking it was meant for you.

Now run it again without Carver in your party.

Just ran it with just Mage Hawke and Varric. No Regret speach offered from her. Hawke and Varric did not say "We will regret bringing her here." Only the siblings say that if I recall.

[dgcatanisiri]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

I doubt he'll have a major role just for the simple fact you can make him Tranquil. If we see him again it will be in an optional capacity.

Anders brought a piece of the Fade back for a short while, which means that de-Tranquilizing IS a possibility, albiet an EXTREMELY unlikely one. But Flemeth is powerful enough, and crafty enough, she could find a way if it is a story path that they want to go down.

Also, am I the only one who had originally figured Flemeth as a dark force in Thedas in the first game, and now think that perhaps she isn't as malevolent a being as Morrigan painted her to be?

[Torax]

I think she is a Seer or has those types of powers. How much total? I wouldn't bother to wager. She appears to tell some of the future and or past of those around. Maybe something closer to Shatter Points like some of the Jedi? It's the only term I could give it. When seeing someone you see at that moment the most crucial thing that person will ever do in their lives? Who knows.

The whole Dread Wolf as her Entity only makes a sort of sense to me because she is a shape shifter and has lived very solitary for the most part for so long. The Dread Wolf is said to be hiding as well. I don't know how malicious she is. But I doubt Morrigan is all that evil either. I just think they're like forces of nature that will collide in the future. Assuming imports would work for it. My Hero that I'd import is currently at Morrigan's side waiting to lob off Flemeth's head for a second time.

[papality]

i like how when voldemort flemeth appears at the beginning of the game and mentions how harry i killed him her but the horcrux amulet thing kept him her alive

Modifié par papality, 05 avril 2011 - 05:14 .

[Conduit0]

Whatever her motives, its clear that Flemeth has a vested interest in ensuring that heros fulfill their potential. The Warden would have been dead at Ostagar if not for Flemeth, and Hawke would have died in Lothering. One could argue that these deeds were purely self motivated, Flemeth feared the blight, and knew Morrigan would betray her. But at this point thats a little hard to swallow, what exactly does someone who can turn into a dragon and fly away have to fear from a blight or a rebellious child? Flemeth has a plan, whether that plan is good or bad, is hard to say.

[Caja]

There is another theory that the old gods appeared in dragon form. Given that Flemeth is very powerful and turns into a dragon herself, she could actually be one of these gods. Five of the old gods have already died. That would leave Razikale and Lusacan, so maybe Flemeth is really one of them. On the other hand the maker imprisoned the old gods, so I'm really not sure.
Also, I believe there is always a grain of truth in every legend, so even if Flemeth is not an abomination, I believe that there lies some truth in the story with Osen.

Modifié par Caja, 05 avril 2011 - 07:55 .

[Tripedius]

If the maker imprisoned the old gods doesn't that make him the dread wolf? Haven't read everything so a bit vague on those things. Also if we stopped the blight by producing a god child, want if someone before us did that with Flemeth, meaning she is a god child herself?