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[Naughty Bear]

JustinTR wrote...

Oh ffs....

Whats wrong? Too many big words? Don't worry your little simple mind. Just go back to cod and pretend nothing happened.

And to op, every question is answered with: Mass effect stuff. Everything in the codex is solved with using mass effect.

[LyndseyCousland]

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

......

You guys ever get the feeling we put way too much thought into this stuff?

Totally, 'specially when panties get so twisted.

[JustinTR]

Awwww bear you so smart pleez teech meh wurdz? maybe read my posts before you decide to blow so much ****

Modifié par JustinTR, 05 avril 2011 - 11:08 .

[PiEman]

There really is no such thing as a Mass Effect fan, is there?

[rolson00]

Zelnik wrote...

These are mostly focused on biology, since that is my feild of study, but some of these make me think the writers really did not even consider checking their sources.

1. Humanity has great genetic diversity.
This is not only false, but grossly false.  Of all of the primapes on the planet, we are the LEAST genetically diverse. We are more closely related to a member of the opposite gender on the other side of the planet, then a chimpanzee is related to it's sibling.  Humanity suffered a massive genetic bottleneck some 50,000 years ago (probably due to Mt. Toba exploding), and the results are extremely clear today. The huge amounts of cancers and genetic disorders found in humanity are the best example of this. 

heh yea watched a doc on tv about it its also the reason why we are savage by nature as well

[Naughty Bear]

JustinTR wrote...

Awwww bear you so smart pleez teech meh wurdz? maybe read my posts before you decide to blow so much ****

Looks like someone forgot to change their tampon this morning.

[Sigma Tauri]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Zelnik wrote...
6. Aliens look just like us.
Seriously.. must everything in science fiction have four limbs, two eyes, one nose, boobs, and...oooo blue skin..

Gorrillas have 2 eyes, 1 nose, 4 limbs.

Dogs have 2 eyes, 1 nose and 4 limbs.

Cats have 2 eyes, 1 nose and 4 limbs.

Bears have 2 eyes, 1 nose and 4 limbs.

Just because something comes from another planet, why should it be drastically different? Should Aliens have 57 legs and 17 eyes? We have what is needed. What works.

They also happen to be mammals with an ancient common ancestor. How about animals with compound eyes, long tentacles, sedentary, or aquatic? Bioware isn't making a scientific fact when they made turians, asari, salarians, etc. with the similar anatomic features as humans, and it's really stupid for fans to justify why they look the same. It's a science fiction conceit, that's all.

[BrowncoatGR]

Zelnik wrote...

6. Aliens look just like us.
Seriously.. must everything in science fiction have four limbs, two eyes, one nose, boobs, and...oooo blue skin..

Have you been playing the right game? Do the Hanaar
ring a bell maybe

[Severyx]

This thread needs some Mass Effect related Troll Science.

[Inquisitor Recon]

I hear the real world doesn't consist of 1s and 0s anyway... or does it...

If all of the species look too alike to you go stare at big stupid jellyfish or elcor for awhile.

[Kaiser Shepard]

There is only one big scientific concern I suppose someone could come up when looking at the series, in fact, someone DID make a topic about this about half a year ago:

When looking at objects in space, we only see what they looked like thousands upon thousands (if not much more) years ago. Logic would dictate that we'd be able to get some 'Reaper sightings' from previous cullings, based on knowing several of the places they attacked last time (Feros, the Citadel) and probably having some systems 'placed' in such a way that they would only recently be able to see the light from Prothean culling +/- 50,000 years ago.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 05 avril 2011 - 01:13 .

[BlackAdder117]

On the point of genetic diversity, this could be because of using mating with the other races and be made a possibly? Just my opinion...you never know.

And plus, when the developers talk about vacuum, they talk about the 'vacuum of space'-type vacuum specifically, which according to NASA personnel, and astronauts is VERY cold (round about -270 degrees Celsius, or 2.725 Kelvin - nearly the level at which molecules stop moving) - hence they were those big thick suits while spacewalking.

So there's my response and my opinion, and please... no flame.

This is Science- _FICTION_ after all; so the story writers and developers have free reign in my opinion.

[Nashiktal]

BlackAdder117 wrote...

On the point of genetic diversity, this could be because of using mating with the other races and be made a possibly? Just my opinion...you never know.

And plus, when the developers talk about vacuum, they talk about the 'vacuum of space'-type vacuum specifically, which according to NASA personnel, and astronauts is VERY cold (round about -270 degrees Celsius, or 2.725 Kelvin - nearly the level at which molecules stop moving) - hence they were those big thick suits while spacewalking.

So there's my response and my opinion, and please... no flame.

This is Science- _FICTION_ after all; so the story writers and developers have free reign in my opinion.

No species can breed with each other outside of fanfiction except the Asari. 

[Zkyire]

monkeycamoran wrote...

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Zelnik wrote...
6. Aliens look just like us.
Seriously.. must everything in science fiction have four limbs, two eyes, one nose, boobs, and...oooo blue skin..

Gorrillas have 2 eyes, 1 nose, 4 limbs.

Dogs have 2 eyes, 1 nose and 4 limbs.

Cats have 2 eyes, 1 nose and 4 limbs.

Bears have 2 eyes, 1 nose and 4 limbs.

Just because something comes from another planet, why should it be drastically different? Should Aliens have 57 legs and 17 eyes? We have what is needed. What works.

They also happen to be mammals with an ancient common ancestor. How about animals with compound eyes, long tentacles, sedentary, or aquatic? Bioware isn't making a scientific fact when they made turians, asari, salarians, etc. with the similar anatomic features as humans, and it's really stupid for fans to justify why they look the same. It's a science fiction conceit, that's all.

/end thread

[Quintega]

Zelnik wrote...

These are mostly focused on biology, since that is my feild of study, but some of these make me think the writers really did not even consider checking their sources.

1. Humanity has great genetic diversity.
This is not only false, but grossly false.  Of all of the primapes on the planet, we are the LEAST genetically diverse. We are more closely related to a member of the opposite gender on the other side of the planet, then a chimpanzee is related to it's sibling.  Humanity suffered a massive genetic bottleneck some 50,000 years ago (probably due to Mt. Toba exploding), and the results are extremely clear today. The huge amounts of cancers and genetic disorders found in humanity are the best example of this. 

2. A weak Immune system involves fevers, allergic reactions, etc.
This assumption is actually a bit backwards.  If an organism has a STRONG immune system (or hyperactive immune system), the above examples occur.  A WEAK immune system would have no reaction at all to a foreign pathogen, and the only sign of illness would probably be death, or necrosis.  All of the Quarian examples of "weak immune system" make any medical professional very confused (I know, I am one, and so is my father).  The described reactions show more of a hyperactive allergic response.

3. Eating Dexter compounds is a BAD THING!
Splenda would like a word with you.  Yes, it's true that you can develop a response against it, but allrgies to Dextrose are rare, but its MUCH more common for it to just pass through your system.  I understand the hypersensitivity for the quarians, but Turians would probably just have the runs for a while.

4. Dextro-Amino acids could KILL YOU!!!!
Similar to 3, but any immunologist would tell you that this is extremely unlikely. When protiens hit our gut, they are broken down into their individual amino acids (this is assuming our proteases work on dextro-amino-acids).  amino acids are TERRIBLE antigens, since their molecular weight is so small.  Odds are they would not even be absorbed by the intestinal mucosa. 
IF they were NOT broken down by the proteases, the HCL would denature the protien chains, though it would be more likely that these could yeild an immune response (though this is also unlikely, since they probably won't pass through the intestinal mucosa either.

5. You can walk outside in a vaccum with skin exposed.
This should be pretty damn obvious. If a shield breaks down due to radiation from a hot star, why isn't it breaking down from temperatures around 4 Kelvin? 

6. Aliens look just like us.
Seriously.. must everything in science fiction have four limbs, two eyes, one nose, boobs, and...oooo blue skin..

I don't know what I find more funny the fact this is based on strictly human biology or the fact parts are missing. I am a Scifi author for a living and something I learned from experience. Science cannot prove what cannot work only what can. So 1 that blows number 5 4 and 3 right out of the water. We have never met another Sapient Amino Dextro life form from a different planet. Nor do we know 100% what the reactions would be like in an alien life forms immune system. We can only predict. Yes number 5 annoyed me Until I broke it down heavily. EAch time someone was in exposed vaccum there were mass effect fields around. Also the suits shields are mini mass effect fields or kinetic barriers. Since neither exist we must leave it to the Authors to tell us what the Field does. And if anyone refences the Opening cutscene with joker look in ME1 where the hatch is. As for the Brown dwarf you weren't in a vaccum the rest you just need to look harder. 

I know I'm going to get flak for this so don't bother trying to get me to argue I won't. 

As for the Alien forms we have no idea what a sapient life form  from another planet would look like since the closet the that we have found is bacteria. And that looked pretty similar. Or would you prefer to romance a preditor and HR Giegers Alien?

NExt 3 is based on simply what humans are like now and the rest of life forms. But it is made very clear humans are nothing like this in ME several times we are told about how common Gene mods are and body reconstruction.

Saying any dextro acid will kill you is like saying orange juice can rid a corpse. This is once again based on EARTH. if the game took place on Earth that would be legit but its not so how would we know what could and couldn't happen in real life? since these are from different planets and eco systems. Plus Tali does a pretty good description of why her immune system causes those side effects. That is also since no life form that is sapient and intelligent has been found with the Quarian gene make up.

Now am I saying your 100% wrong no but your making a pointless comment because will it get people to stop playing its a game. Same as frankenstien its as false as possible but thats why its called Suspension of Disbelief

Also If you pay attention each alien is based of an Earth animal.

Humans: monkeys
Turians: Chickens
Salarians: Salamanders
Asari the three above mixed
Elcor: Elephants

you get the picture

Also Evolution may be near proven but what we evolved from is still pure speculation

AS for the most genetically diverse 

Well I haven't seen the Gene structure of any other race so you can't really make that statement because you don't know. Plus Need I say it again Gene mods and Human mutations as well as adaptiions that could have modified the Gene structure.

as for 3 we don't know the compound but they already state not to ingest and once again your basing your assumtion on our planet being the only one with life

Yes I know there are spelling errors and typos mostly cause I don't feel like editing it. 

I know people are going to try to pick a fight and I say I don't really care. 
No I am not mad or upset
I am just pointing out how silly these arguments can get.

Also since the Mass effect fields seem to be the "Force" of ME aka the dues ex machina to make things work. you have to remember to toss things in using it. Probably the difference between a scientist and an author, is Authors are willing to have fun and be less strict.

Now if this were a Scifi like the game Singularity which doesn't even try to do its homework. Then I could understand. If anyone doesn't know what I am talking about ask a person who knows chemistry if the molecule would be named after the year. aka E-99 

[BlackAdder117]

Quote by Gentleman Moogle:

"......

You guys ever get the feeling we put way too much thought into this stuff?"

Mate, I agree with this 110%

Seriously guys, everyone, great to debate, but seriously, let's just enjoy a really good game. This is why fights start nowadays...difference of opinions between two or more people...

Let's just enjoy...yeah? Peace.

[eye basher]

It's SCI-FI it's not supposed to make sense.

[armass]

I think Known Space and Star Control universes show what realistic aliens pretty much look like, Star Wars(too many humanoids), Star Trek and Babylon 5(rubber head aliens) on the other hand pretty much botch it. I think mass effect hangs somewhere in between.

Still believe there are humanoid aliens out there, but they are pretty rare, unless these races some how seed other planets. There could also be intelligent life outside of old carbon models like ammonia based(volus) or silicon based. Also could be geth like A.I. Constructs but can you really call that life?

Modifié par armass, 05 avril 2011 - 03:50 .

[Sabre120]

There is the assumption that bipedal lifeforms are the most sophisticated in any form of natural selection, in similar environments to Earth. Exceptions of the rule are the Hanar, who live on a water based planet and the Elcor, who live on a planet with extreme gravity.

[Jamesnew2]

justin please pass the popcorn. Its gonna be a bumpy ride.

[ME_Fan]

Jesus Christ, Allah, Buddha all please help me.

These damn threads are driving me crazy!
SCIENCE FICTION

It does have science by the way,i mean look at star wars, which is just space fantasy. Mass Effect just plays around with scientific theories, which means there is science, just not full fledged fact.

UGGHHHH! damn OP

[aimlessgun]

I wonder if we could actually have one of these threads with just actual discussion instead of people constantly stopping by and pointing out that it's fiction, like they're somehow making any sort of point.

Thread does need the OP to come back though and respond to some of the rebuttals.

Modifié par aimlessgun, 05 avril 2011 - 04:22 .

[Zelnik]

Quintega, your statements make me glad that I probably have not read your books

Being an author does not give you basis to comment on a scientific matter on equal footing with a scientific professional. The moment you said "evolution is pure speculation" your entire arguement was thrown out the window.

Since you cannot tell the difference between "Scientific Theory" and "Speculation", I suggest you go back to school and pay attention to your lab classes, maybe you will learn a thing or two.

Yes, I confess I am basing 1 on human biology, but that's what I have to work with. They are describing alien biology in human terms.

The thing is, Science fiction should only have to use "fiction" when necessary. Getting established science wrong is sloppy, and the authors should know better.

[aimlessgun]

BlackAdder117 wrote...
This is Science- _FICTION_ after all; so the story writers and developers have free reign in my opinion.

Here is my opposing opinion, if you want it, (copied from earlier in the thread)


Just because you have 1 impossible thing does not mean you can do whatever the hell you want. Realism is not all or nothing. The more unreal things you add, the less immersive your universe becomes. You have to balance Awesome Cool Stuff with Realism, so you have a mix of both.

If you mix Realism with Awesome Cool Stuff, people are likely to just accept the few unrealistic things. Eezo is a brilliant core conceit because with only 1 unrealistic premise they can cover a lot of Awesome Cool Stuff.

The more the balance tips towards complete realism, the more 'boring' scifi can become. The more it tilts
towards "whatever looks cool", the less immersive it is.

Limits are good for design. They force you to really take the time to make something good, and to show creativity within that framework. Anyone who has worked in a design profession can tell you that.

Modifié par aimlessgun, 05 avril 2011 - 04:27 .