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[Collider]

If you spare Loghain, Alistair objects and will leave the party.
Anora
suggests having Alistair executed to prevent rebellions being raised in his name.

The warden can agree with Anora or ask her not to execute Alistair.

What do you think of all of this? Is there a basis to execute Alistair? Should there even be an option to advocate it?
Edit: Correction

Modifié par Collider, 05 avril 2011 - 05:08 .

[CalJones]

The point is that rebellions can be raised in his name (even if he wants nothing to do with them). This is born out by the epilogue. You can take the pragmatist's view that ending Alistair's life saves others.

The case against is that Alistair is an innocent - one who has been manipulated into seeking the throne by Eamon. As such, he doesn't deserve death. Exiling him allows him a chance to live free of his heritage, so is generally considered the kinder option.

[Lugwy]

If by "kinder" as in "become a wandering drunk", then perhaps it is.

It depends on the roleplaying. If your Warden is a pragmatist who believes Alistair loose will cause issues, either immediately (he is deserting you, after all that effort to get leverage in the Landsmeet) or later down the road (aforementioned rebellion under his name), then that is a valid reason to have Alistair executed. Of course, you can always do it for gits and shiggles, but that is already a given.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

I won't post DA2 spoilers, but the origins epilogue and Alistair as a drunk in DA2 suggests that Eamon isn't finished with Alistair yet, sadly.

[danerman]

It's not nice to let him die but my current character, a Human Noble Male, is planning on taking that route. It'll actually be the first time I spare Loghain though I have another character that I'm playing that plans to spare him but he's been suspended for awhile. My Human Male Noble is trying to seize the opportunity to get the Cousland family line on the throne.  He can't rule himself but there's an excellent possibility if he has any children with Anora that one of them would take over as ruler after Anora dies.   Getting rid of Alistair removes the last known person of Therin blood and removes the possibility of him having children that could battle my character's children for the throne in the future. Of course the hard part is getting Anora pregnant since she may be barren(though Cailen was likely shooting blanks) and also even if she is not it's hard for a Grey Warden with tainted blood to have children. But he's making the effort.

Modifié par danerman, 05 avril 2011 - 03:25 .

[Lugwy]

That raises the interesting question on if a child of a Grey Warden will be similarly tainted. If the Dark Ritual can be counted, Morrigan never stated outright the child has tainted blood, but as she is certain the archdemon's soul will travel to it, it could very well be so.

Regardless, in light of recent events, execution may very well be the "kinder" option. Opinions may vary, but personal opinion thinks that to be exiled and exist as a wandering drunk, only to be corralled back into Eamon's little chess game, is a crueler fate, especially if Loghain is alive at the end.

[Rexiselic]

Uh, actually, I recall asking her extensively about it and she states that she believes it will not be tainted and that only the pure essence of the old god will remain.

Also, I consider the idea that death is a mercy to be compeletly ridiculous. Esspecially since his "horrible" fate is to be free and live his life how he chooses and then be influnced by his rich and well off uncle.

I mean, what? Do we just start killing refugees that survived the blight? That would make their lives better, right? It's not like their futures look bright.

Modifié par Rexiselic, 06 avril 2011 - 02:47 .

[Thetri]

I was originally going to have him killed during my first playthrough because I hated Alistair, but Alistair has grown on me and I could never do that. The fact of him not appearing in future games makes me sad. Despite how cool, Loghain looks I cannot forgive the things he has done. Don't care about Duncan or Cailan but accusing me and Alistair of treason when it was in fact he who should have been accused of it was the last straw, I personally fought him myself then let Alistair kill him. Then I put his daughter in the dungeon, and made Alistair king. Second playthrough I made Zevran fight him, and let Alistair kill him. Then I put Anora on the throne and kept Alistair as a warden. Probably going to use that for DA2 when I get it.

[metalcraze33]

Well wardens aren't supposed to meddle in politics so he shouldn't be King.
after all it ended in disaster in Sophia's case as well.
Loghain should have been executed because he is a criminal and Anora left where she is.
Plus my mage wanted him dead anyway for going crazy yelling at him so much.
Of course all that didn't stop my male cousland from taking the throne he never wanted to be a warden.
Plus I hate Alistair.

Modifié par metalcraze33, 06 avril 2011 - 08:10 .

[Lugwy]

Rexiselic wrote...

Uh, actually, I recall asking her extensively about it and she states that she believes it will not be tainted and that only the pure essence of the old god will remain.

EDIT: What was referred is the child itself having the darkspawn taint before the Old God possesses it.

Additionally, even she is unsure, and she may have stated that just to bring the Warden at ease. From what is known, in order for an archdemon to travel into a body, that body must have the darkspawn taint. Perhaps the Dark Ritual makes exceptions, but Morrigan never explained, and her silence leaves many things open.

Also, I consider the idea that death is a mercy to be compeletly ridiculous. Esspecially since his "horrible" fate is to be free and live his life how he chooses and then be influnced by his rich and well off uncle.

Alistair is ejected from his home country on pain of death. He eventually suffers guilt over abandoning the Warden and company and takes to the bottle, and the life of a wandering drunk is not a pleasant one, especially in those times. Eamon may be a rich and well-off sort, but Alistair will most likely chafe under his position as the arl's little pawn. He may or may not have Eamon's wealth (remember how he was treated before circumstances suddenly made him important), but he will have no freedom.

Some "mercies" are crueler than others.

I mean, what? Do we just start killing refugees that survived the blight? That would make their lives better, right? It's not like their futures look bright.

Irrelevant. First, the refugees are not within Anora's power to execute and the Warden's to approve unless they personally hunt them down, and that would take effort better spent fighting the Blight on top of being unnecessarily petty. Second, they did not bring their misfortune upon themselves. Alistair, on the other hand, condemned himself because of his adamant refusal to accept Loghain. Anora and the Warden merely excarbated it.

Modifié par Lugwy, 06 avril 2011 - 09:40 .