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[mynameisleah]

Fenris for sure, tried but couldn't get into anders :/

[ThatDancingTurian]

Eollodwyn wrote...

Really?  My Hawke managed to rather handily turn one of those convos into implied sex.  You know the one where he starts out scolding Merrill for not drawing the curtains?  The "funny" option cuts his rant short and definitely leads to something.

That option made me feel gross. It's the only time I didn't pick a flirt option while romancing someone. Could be because I rivalmanced him, but he basically says that you're at each other's throats and then Hawke is all, "Fine, let's just have sex." ... It just seemed super unhealthy. I didn't have to wonder why the romance was falling apart at that stage, if the only time they're not sniping at each other is when they're naked.

I was also annoyed that you couldn't break up with him later on. By the time I'd finished his final quest, we argued, he let his spirit out on me (big no-no) and then I called him a monster... Then it's back home where he's waiting for me on my balcony like nothing happened.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 06 avril 2011 - 02:31 .

[CyberSnakeME2]

I wonder if anyone but me noticed this regarding the romances:

Merrill/Anders: This is the most common romantic tale to me, "I love you, you love me lets live together and be happy" kinda stuff.

Isabela/Fenris: This however has I saw it was more on the dramatic side, especially Fenris, how both of them had bad experinces in their past and, in Isabela´s case, color their world (By Anders)
Besides it feels more dramatic to me when I first romanced Isabela.

Since Im quite the sucker for romance I say Merrill is my favorite, afterall, this current playthrough of mine I was going to romance Isabela since I did Merrill last time but then I just couldnt resist and went back to her.

Also anyone notice that Isabela´s codex entry in Act 3 if you romance her is glitched? Its has what would say if your friend/rival with her but scroll down a bit more and it ALSO has her romance outcome, when I noticed that I thought I was seeing double or something.

[leggywillow]

CyberSnakeME2 wrote...

I wonder if anyone but me noticed this regarding the romances:

Merrill/Anders: This is the most common romantic tale to me, "I love you, you love me lets live together and be happy" kinda stuff.

Except it definitely isn't like that in Anders's case.  They try to do that, but just read his Codex entry for Act 3.  It's more like "I love you, you love me, let's live together and deal with my frightening deteriorating mental state as I wage war for mages and also try not to lose myself to the demon inside me and also BOOOOOOOOOM!"

Anders, when friend-manced, doesn't have the same inter-relationship drama as Isabela or Fenris, but that's because if it did it would just be unplayably depressing.

[Eollodwyn]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Eollodwyn wrote...

Really?  My Hawke managed to rather handily turn one of those convos into implied sex.  You know the one where he starts out scolding Merrill for not drawing the curtains?  The "funny" option cuts his rant short and definitely leads to something.

That option made me feel gross. It's the only time I didn't pick a flirt option while romancing someone. Could be because I rivalmanced him, but he basically says that you're at each other's throats and then Hawke is all, "Fine, let's just have sex." ... It just seemed super unhealthy. I didn't have to wonder why the romance was falling apart at that stage, if the only time they're not sniping at each other is when they're naked.

I was also annoyed that you couldn't break up with him later on. By the time I'd finished his final quest, we argued, he let his spirit out on me (big no-no) and then I called him a monster... Then it's back home where he's waiting for me on my balcony like nothing happened.

Oh, yeah, I could see where that would feel wicked weird.  I was friendmancing him, so it fit just fine.  I've never done it personally, but from what I've seen the Anders rivalmance is...not a very healthy relationship at times.  Even the Fenris rivalmance, which seemed pretty measured in comparison, had moments where I couldn't help but think, "God, you two are never going to work out."

[Ryzaki]

*le sigh*

Anders rivalrymance is as healthy as the player makes it. My rivalrymance with Anders wasn't healthy (that said I don't think Anders is healthy relationship material period). That by no means excludes Anders rivalrymance from being loving and respectful.

Anders even does this wth my Jerkmance by telling Hawke "There's times I think you don't understand...but then you turn around and do something like this." when giving him he key to the cellar. The relationship is far more than just yelling and sex. The pair do understand each other. They may not always agree. But they understand each other's POV. 

Edit: Point taken about none of them being healthy though. Hawke's a crazy magnet. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 06 avril 2011 - 07:04 .

[Anarya]

I'm...not sure I'd qualify any of them as healthy.

[namedforthemoon]

Fenris -friend. I can't bring myself to rival him, and I'm happy with it that way.

[Knightly_BW]

Hmm reaching romance points on my current two runs I think my ideas about romances a bit changed.

I think I like Isabela romance more than Fenris now.

Maybe I should start a new thread and rant and accuse Bioware about making me straight.

Honestly I am starting to think Isabela's romance better than female romances in DA:O. Her romance is cliche like Alistair's but still this is a cliche we can bump in real life.

[AmusingTeacup]

Fenris -Friend-

I keep trying to romance Anders, but I can't really. Knowing what's going to happen I can't.

Perhaps I'd be a bit more forgiving about his throught process on what he ends up doing if I actually played Awakening. I also agree with alot of the posts is he is a bit too moony about falling in love. I flirted with him once just to see what would happen he ended up kissing me. I don't have a problem with agressive sexual characters, but given I helped him out by attempting to rescue his ex just kind of turned me off his path. If this actually happened in real life, I would've responded by punching him and that would've been that. Merill I'd never touch. I have issues with people not listening to others. no matter how loudly you yell their being stupid. I play a game not to baby sit. Sorry, I just don't find her cute if I have to play with demons to not make her pissed at me. Isabelle I might have taken a crack at, if it weren't for that one scene where she's walking about of Ander's clinic after have a discussion about what I'm assuming is an std. Yeah. Not with a ten foot poll.

*sigh* If only Cullen was available. It'd be interesting to see how strong he got since DO.He was so sweet and stuttery in the first game.

[Eollodwyn]

Ryzaki wrote...

Edit: Point taken about none of them being healthy though. Hawke's a crazy magnet. 

And that's the way we like it!

[noxpanda]

AmusingTeacup wrote...


*sigh* If only Cullen was available. It'd be interesting to see how strong he got since DO.He was so sweet and stuttery in the first game.

Yeah i'd have loved to have seen Cullen as both a companion and as a LI, i always felt sorry for him in my origins playthroughs as he always went mad in the ending Was nice to see him back and with a less crazy outlook in Kirkwall.
Also would have loved to have seen more convos with the LI's one per act just feels like a bit of a chore. Kill a thousand odd quest people/random gangs, ooh a conversation, quick save before it so when ya get bored hacking through people can just pop back to it (or at least thats what i do, im so sad lol!)

[wildannie]

noxpanda wrote...

AmusingTeacup wrote...


*sigh* If only Cullen was available. It'd be interesting to see how strong he got since DO.He was so sweet and stuttery in the first game.

Yeah i'd have loved to have seen Cullen as both a companion and as a LI, i always felt sorry for him in my origins playthroughs as he always went mad in the ending Was nice to see him back and with a less crazy outlook in Kirkwall.
Also would have loved to have seen more convos with the LI's one per act just feels like a bit of a chore. Kill a thousand odd quest people/random gangs, ooh a conversation, quick save before it so when ya get bored hacking through people can just pop back to it (or at least thats what i do, im so sad lol!)

your not alone 

[ejoslin]

laecraft wrote...

Ohhh, thank you! So I see, he was a coward, eh? I don't date cowards.  The romance was not worth the pain for him at that time, but he changed his mind about it now? And he sure took his sweet time deciding. Well, with my Hawke, it was too late for Fenris. Like Anders would say, risk nothing, have nothing. My Hawke is not going to sit around for three years waiting for him to change his mind. THREE YEARS! People could die in that time. People could be born. Humans could grown old. Or grow out of their natural biological sexual peak. They could miss their ideal period for a honeymoon. Humans could change completely. I wonder if it's different for elves? But Hawke is human.

Let's just say it, if the choice of LI wasn't so limited...But it is, and the LI characters sure act like they know it.

Well, maybe I was exaggerating with that trophy thing. I just think that for a romance to have substance, it needs more dialogue and cutscenes, and it cannot be replaced with a symbol, which feels as meaningless as the achivements Hawke unlocks in a game, unless these are rewared with more story.

I noticed it as well, the romances need the players to fill in the gaps with their imaginations to make it all work. It's like you're given some key points, and now imagine the rest. Oh, I can. I can imagine anything. But why would I need the game, then? Might as well leave the entire thing to my imagination. Not enough substance for my liking.

While I love Fenris' romance (and I do -- I love the romance dialogs, and both friend and rival make me squee), the 3 year gap is a real issue -- it doesn't make sense because it IS too long.  Basically, a guy runs out on you after a one night stand, so you don't move on for 3 years...  despite his codex saying his feelings are obvious, he's still refusing to talk about anything. 

And I agree, I would have liked a few more dialogs/cutscenes for all the romances.  Maybe one more per act, romance exclusive, and a kiss cutscene at the house.  Have the BIG MOMENTS happen before a time skip instead of after, and show the romance maturing.  

Honestly, Fenris' confession of love could have happened at the end of act two (that would have been much better timing IMO), and then in act 3 have a different scene, one that shows Fenris and Hawke more settled in with their relationship.  A sweet scene of some sort ending with a kiss/fade-to-black showing that that part of their life is still on track as well.  Just actually show the relationship maturing.

Edit: And I do know the point with Fenris is he couldn't move onto a relationship while Denarius is alive.  I just don't see why it actually has to be that way.  Maybe actually have him want to move in after that happens instead?  Or make a more formal commitment -- or maybe just discuss the future finally instead of living for the moment?  THAT to me would make much more sense.

Though maybe that type of ending would be too much like Zevran.  I don't know. I did enjoy the romance, so I can't complain too much.

Modifié par ejoslin, 06 avril 2011 - 12:36 .

[einherjar81]

My favorite is still the Merrill friendmance. It's so cute when you flirt with her and she mutters about it being "warm in here." I love the adorable cuteness of it all. She tries to be logical, to explain why it's a bad idea, even after she says she loves you, but she can't contain herself. It's all so sweet, it makes me smile on the inside.

[VenetianLunacy]

Anders, hands down (see banner for proof of obsession). But the Rivalmance with Fenris (as a mage!) is a close second.

[theskywalker]

1. Female Rogue - Romanced Anders
2. Female Mage - Romanced Anders
3. Female Rogue - Rival Romanced Fenris

I'm really not sure which one I preferred. I haven't finished my rival romance with Fenris yet, but I like it a lot! There seems to be more passion, and Anders obsession made me wary. Gah, but I do love Anders. I can't choose.

[Noir_Skye]

wildannie wrote...

noxpanda wrote...

AmusingTeacup wrote...


*sigh* If only Cullen was available. It'd be interesting to see how strong he got since DO.He was so sweet and stuttery in the first game.

Yeah i'd have loved to have seen Cullen as both a companion and as a LI, i always felt sorry for him in my origins playthroughs as he always went mad in the ending Was nice to see him back and with a less crazy outlook in Kirkwall.
Also would have loved to have seen more convos with the LI's one per act just feels like a bit of a chore. Kill a thousand odd quest people/random gangs, ooh a conversation, quick save before it so when ya get bored hacking through people can just pop back to it (or at least thats what i do, im so sad lol!)

your not alone 

I would have rather had Cullen as a LI than Sebastian.  Don't get me wrong.  I really loved my friendmance with Fenris.   But I kept Varric in my party most of the time.  I didn't need another rogue.  And then there that bug.  I know a spent more time going to the Gallows to talk to Cullen, tham I spent time with Sebastian (in party or Chantry)

[Thiefy]

it's really close between the friendmance of fenris and anders, and tbh i kinda flip flop between which i like better. atm i'm doing the rivalmances and see between which 4 i like best.

[Gilsa]

laecraft wrote...
Ohhh, thank you! So I see, he was a coward, eh? I don't date cowards.  The romance was not worth the pain for him at that time, but he changed his mind about it now? And he sure took his sweet time deciding. Well, with my Hawke, it was too late for Fenris. Like Anders would say, risk nothing, have nothing. My Hawke is not going to sit around for three years waiting for him to change his mind. THREE YEARS! People could die in that time. People could be born. Humans could grown old. Or grow out of their natural biological sexual peak. They could miss their ideal period for a honeymoon. Humans could change completely. I wonder if it's different for elves? But Hawke is human.

A romanced Isabela still leaves Hawke after the Arishok conflict is resolved -- that's "three years" of being gone. Anders doesn't actually move in for "three years." If you just ignore the three year time skip and focus on the core issue of why he left and how he returned, you could better evaluate the story arc on those merits.

Modifié par Gilsa, 07 avril 2011 - 07:13 .

[Avilia]

Two completed runs both female, both Fenris.

First was friend and second was rival. The rival has its good points, being sworn at in a foreign language is always sexy, but I prefer the friend. Its quite sweet imho. I know some think he's a bit emo but I find his dramatic pronouncements amusing and sometimes I actually agree with him.

In the interests of fairness I'm trying to romance Anders this time. Its difficult as I don't find him a particularly appealing character. I'll stick to it though, I really want to see his black outfit ;-) Just kidding, I'm not really doing it just to see his other outfit...as far as I'll admit >.>

[Noir_Skye]

Gilsa wrote...

laecraft wrote...
Ohhh, thank you! So I see, he was a coward, eh? I don't date cowards.  The romance was not worth the pain for him at that time, but he changed his mind about it now? And he sure took his sweet time deciding. Well, with my Hawke, it was too late for Fenris. Like Anders would say, risk nothing, have nothing. My Hawke is not going to sit around for three years waiting for him to change his mind. THREE YEARS! People could die in that time. People could be born. Humans could grown old. Or grow out of their natural biological sexual peak. They could miss their ideal period for a honeymoon. Humans could change completely. I wonder if it's different for elves? But Hawke is human.

A romanced Isabela still leaves Hawke after the Arishok conflict is resolved -- that's "three years" of being gone. Anders doesn't actually move in for "three years." If you just ignore the three year time skip and focus on the core issue of why he left and how he returned, you could better evaluate the story arc on those merits.

The three year wait was more game mechanics than anything.  He does come to you console you.  You two are adventuring together.  So many things could have happen within three years that we didn't experience in Act 2.  I guess he had a lot of issues to work through. Fenris' endgame conversation and  kiss is worth the wait.

[Cutlasskiwi]

Fenris is my favorit. Especially Fenris with the friend track.