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[Sherbet Lemon]

ejoslin wrote...

Village Idiot wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

His confession of love (act 3) and his talk and kiss just before the final battle.

Edit: Because I can't resist adding links!  Major spoilers abound!

Internet high five to you, ejoslin! 

I remember playing through both of those scenes (ohmighosh...it's creeping up to month almost), completely unspoiled and was totally flabbergasted like whoaaaaaa.... when Fenris came all with the confession.  Those two ending scenes are simply fabulous.  

My next playthough will most likely be Isabela's romance.  I'm looking forward to it!

I got them unspoiled as well, and I have to admit I replayed them many times.  And they're still not old!

And honestly, that look he gives Hawke just after he kills Denarius, if you pick the flirt option, is enough to make his romance worthwhile IMO.  How a computer animation can portray THAT much emotion still has me in complete awe.

I KNOW!  That really was some lovely work there!  I was holding my controller like this....   Oh man...I'd like to see someone revisit this study and see what they come up with this time around.

[DA_GamerGal]

Sarielle wrote...

krissyjf wrote...

I really can't decide..... I want both of them!

You could always start out with a Fenris appetizer and finish off with a main course of Anders.

That's what I was thinking about doing this time around.... but I feel like such a tramp!  Or maybe Isabella's ways are rubbing off on me... LOL!

[UrsulaCousland]

 Fenris Friendmance. Hands down. 

Disclaimer: I screwed up the Anders romance on my first PT, but I've seen the others.

[DA_GamerGal]

ejoslin wrote...

Sarielle wrote...

krissyjf wrote...

I really can't decide..... I want both of them!

You could always start out with a Fenris appetizer and finish off with a main course of Anders.

Not really, though.  You miss the two best scenes with Fenris if you do this!

And those 2 scenes were SO worth it!  Anders could really take some lessons from Fenris on how to say 'I love you" before a battle!

Darn it! I'm swaying back to Fenris again!  I really can't decide...

Modifié par krissyjf, 07 avril 2011 - 11:16 .

[Julilla]

With the caveat that everyone in this game is an emotional hot mess!...

It has to be Anders. I did play through the Fenris one, but...I was shaking my head the whole time. He runs away after you take a tumble with him? Are you serious? What kind of baby emo crap is that? That was just too much, oh, like I stepped on Fenris' man feelings or something. Then he was rude to me after Leandra died. And then...three years? Really?

Anders might be a terrorist, but he was kind to Hawke after Leandra's death. Oh, and he was shanking Hawke's jory for three years, for which he gets mad props. He was not holed up in some decaying manse doing...what, exactly was Fenris doing besides being petulant?

Can you tell I was fed up with Fenris? lol

[Sable Rhapsody]

krissyjf wrote...

And those 2 scenes were SO worth it!  Anders could really take some lessons from Fenris on how to say 'I love you" before a battle!

To each her own, but this almost made me cry: "Ten years, a hundred years from now, someone like me will love someone like you.  And there will be no templars to tear them apart."

*wibble* 

[ejoslin]

Julilla wrote...

With the caveat that everyone in this game is an emotional hot mess!...

It has to be Anders. I did play through the Fenris one, but...I was shaking my head the whole time. He runs away after you take a tumble with him? Are you serious? What kind of baby emo crap is that? That was just too much, oh, like I stepped on Fenris' man feelings or something. Then he was rude to me after Leandra died. And then...three years? Really?

Anders might be a terrorist, but he was kind to Hawke after Leandra's death. Oh, and he was shanking Hawke's jory for three years, for which he gets mad props. He was not holed up in some decaying manse doing...what, exactly was Fenris doing besides being petulant?

Can you tell I was fed up with Fenris? lol

You know, Fenris didn't strike me as rude when Leandra died at all.  He didn't know what to say, he didn't know how to comfort Hawke, it was awkward as hell... but he was there.  I thought it was incredibly sweet.

And yes, he runs away.  And he admits later it was the wrong thing to do, and that if he had it to do over, he would do it completely differently.  But yes, when his memories came back like that, he panicked.

The time skips are an issue for all the relationships.  It's like they wanted to give time to show the city being rebuilt, but didn't take into account how that would disrupt the flow of the relationships.  While they bother me (as much as Anders/Merrill not moving in for three years), I try not to let it take away from the stories themselves.

Modifié par ejoslin, 07 avril 2011 - 11:34 .

[UrsulaCousland]

ejoslin wrote...

Julilla wrote...

With the caveat that everyone in this game is an emotional hot mess!...

It has to be Anders. I did play through the Fenris one, but...I was shaking my head the whole time. He runs away after you take a tumble with him? Are you serious? What kind of baby emo crap is that? That was just too much, oh, like I stepped on Fenris' man feelings or something. Then he was rude to me after Leandra died. And then...three years? Really?

Anders might be a terrorist, but he was kind to Hawke after Leandra's death. Oh, and he was shanking Hawke's jory for three years, for which he gets mad props. He was not holed up in some decaying manse doing...what, exactly was Fenris doing besides being petulant?

Can you tell I was fed up with Fenris? lol

You know, Fenris didn't strike me as rude when Leandra died at all.  He didn't know what to say, he didn't know how to comfort Hawke, it was awkward as hell... but he was there.  I thought it was incredibly sweet.

And yes, he runs away.  And he admits later it was the wrong thing to do, and that if he had it to do over, he would do it completely differently.  But yes, when his memories came back like that, he panicked.

The time skips are an issue for all the relationships.  It's like they wanted to give time to show the city being rebuilt, but didn't take into account how that would disrupt the flow of the relationships.  While they bother me (as much as Anders/Merrill not moving in for three years), I try not to let it take away from the stories themselves.

I thought Fenris's being there was sweet as well - I actually was far more offended by how Anders reacted (more accurately, didn't seem to care) in my first playthrough. 

[autumnyte]

I really like all of the romances except Merrill. There's just something about it that doesn't resonate for me.

That said, Fenris is my favorite (can't decide whether I prefer friendship or rivalry path, both are awesome).

This is horrible, but so that I can get a taste of Anders too, I've taken to letting him kiss Hawke in the clinic, but turning him down at the mansion. That's the closest to the best of both worlds that I've been able to find with still being able to complete the Fenris romance. It also makes Anders' anti-Fenris rant when you descend into the sewers seem more understandable and less infuriating.

[Exile Isan]

ejoslin wrote...
You know, Fenris didn't strike me as rude when Leandra died at all.  He didn't know what to say, he didn't know how to comfort Hawke, it was awkward as hell... but he was there.  I thought it was incredibly sweet.

Neither did I. But depending on what you say depends on what happens if Hawke acts like she doesn't want him there he will leave. With the other dialog options he will sit down beside Hawke and comfort her. And he's right, small talk in moments like that is pointless.

[Julilla]

After Leandra, I asked Fenris if it was my fault and I thought his answer was flippant. But I dunno, I'm just not into chasing someone who so obviously seems not to want me. I did too much of that in college...lol.

[Ryzaki]

Julilla wrote...

After Leandra, I asked Fenris if it was my fault and I thought his answer was flippant. But I dunno, I'm just not into chasing someone who so obviously seems not to want me. I did too much of that in college...lol.

You're not the only one. His comforting speech also felt really really flat to me. Especially after I heard Anders'. 

[ejoslin]

Julilla wrote...

After Leandra, I asked Fenris if it was my fault and I thought his answer was flippant. But I dunno, I'm just not into chasing someone who so obviously seems not to want me. I did too much of that in college...lol.

Hmmm, yeh, that answer he doesn't sit down -- it fades to black with him still standing. It's not a flippant answer, though; he cannot be the one who gives forgiveness -- Hawke needs to forgive him/herself.  The fact that he came shows that he at least wants to be there.

His act 3 codex does say, though, that he he clearly does have feelings for Hawke, though it doesn't update once they do resolve things :/

No one is saying that his running is a good thing.  But his running wasn't because he didn't want to be with Hawke -- in the talk he has with Hawke afterwards, the way his voice cracks -- it's obvious that he's being torn apart.  It was as he said: he could not handle the feelings that came with getting his memories back.  

Also, and maybe it's just head-canon, but I got the feeling he can't fully resolve things until his master is dead and he truly is no longer a slave.  Or maybe it's just at that point that he realizes that he does have a future.

Edit: /shrug not all stories hit people the same way for sure.  Anders made me feel trapped and stalked in Act 3, but that probably is because I wanted to break up wtih him when it was obviously how much Vengance had taken over an I could not.  Ugh.  I hated that.

Modifié par ejoslin, 08 avril 2011 - 12:09 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Ryzaki wrote...

Julilla wrote...

After Leandra, I asked Fenris if it was my fault and I thought his answer was flippant. But I dunno, I'm just not into chasing someone who so obviously seems not to want me. I did too much of that in college...lol.

You're not the only one. His comforting speech also felt really really flat to me. Especially after I heard Anders'. 

Isabela's is my favorite.  Family's not just who you're related to and all.  D'AWWWW, Izzy.  Followed closely by Anders.  It says something for how much he cares that he's willing to let Hawke take the grief and anger at Leandra being killed by a mage out on him.  Whatever Anders might say in Act 3, in that moment, he puts Hawke before everything...even his beliefs.

[Sherbet Lemon]

Julilla wrote...

After Leandra, I asked Fenris if it was my fault and I thought his answer was flippant. But I dunno, I'm just not into chasing someone who so obviously seems not to want me. I did too much of that in college...lol.

It certainly does come across that way, but...

*attempts to put on Fenris googles*

Forgiveness isn't something he can give because he wasn't the wronged party.  We know that emotionally Hawke isn't literally asking for forgiveness, she just wants some comfort, words that will make her feel better.  He knows that it would be a false statement so he's not going to make it.  They would be words and these words would actually do nothing because (argueably and dependent upon the way you play your particular Hawke) Hawke would still feel guilty later. 

I think Fenris would probably feel the action of being there is more the honest one.  It shows Fenris doesn't quite have an understanding of how emotions work per se, but I don't think it means he isn't into Hawke.  i think it shows that he thinks being honest is the better way to comfort Hawke.  Actions speake louder than words.  False sentiment does more harm than good and the only way that Hawke will find that parity is within.  *grumbles about stoics and darn stoicism*

Ultimately, I think it depends on what you prefer. 

I like Anders' comfort scene a great deal.  I thought it was sweet, but I think my Hawkes would go right back to brooding until they learned how to work out their grief internally.  Maker stop me.  Why is my mouth always running?  I am so sorry.  *backs away from the keyboard*

Oh and I think the problem is that Fenris DOES want Hawke a little too much and that bothers him so he pushes her/him away until he realizes that he is an idiot.  It's up to you and your Hawke whether you want that.

Now...I'm done.  Really I am.  Gah.  Sorry.

Modifié par Village Idiot, 08 avril 2011 - 12:19 .

[Sjofn]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

krissyjf wrote...

And those 2 scenes were SO worth it!  Anders could really take some lessons from Fenris on how to say 'I love you" before a battle!

To each her own, but this almost made me cry: "Ten years, a hundred years from now, someone like me will love someone like you.  And there will be no templars to tear them apart."

*wibble* 

Yeah, I would take that over Fenris' stuff any day.

EDIT: Also, I love the hell out of the Isabela romance. It's all. Normal. Ish. Way more normal than anyone else. It felt the most natural to me, too. Plus my ManHawke and she made an adorable couple.

Modifié par Sjofn, 08 avril 2011 - 12:27 .

[Aeryn-Sun]

Fenris, both the friend and the rival sides depending on the Hawke.

I enjoyed Merrill's romance (friend and rival) as well. Isabela is too much of a drinking buddy to me so I haven't been able to finish her romance, and Anders is...better left to his fans because he just ain't for me.

[Ryzaki]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
Isabela's is my favorite.  Family's not just who you're related to and all.  D'AWWWW, Izzy.  Followed closely by Anders.  It says something for how much he cares that he's willing to let Hawke take the grief and anger at Leandra being killed by a mage out on him.  Whatever Anders might say in Act 3, in that moment, he puts Hawke before everything...even his beliefs.

Yeah that was a bit of a d'aww moment. Though hm...I see what you mean. It's especially sweet to me on the rivarly path. He's well aware that Hawke's upset and volunteers to get screamed at. 

re breaking up with Anders: You...can break up with him in act 3. Either by killing him or by dumping him in the gallows. It's not as convient as it is with Fenris but eh. 

But I'll never feel smothered by Anders. He's my crazy love.  

Modifié par Ryzaki, 08 avril 2011 - 12:36 .

[Sjofn]

Killing him or dumping him in the Gallows is WAY LATE in Act 3, late enough that misses the point mostly. I can't blame people wanting to dump him at the beginning of it (or after Justice) and being annoyed they can't, personally, 'cause the dude is not boyfriend material by then. My Hawke could deal with it, or wanted to deal with it, anyway, but I would've thought about dumping him after he pulled the emotional blackmail crap if I could've.

EDIT: Although if you tell him to ram his follow up quest, you pretty much ARE broken up, it's not like you have any more scenes with him if you do that.

Modifié par Sjofn, 08 avril 2011 - 12:38 .

[ThatDancingTurian]

My favorite answer from any one of the LIs in the Leandra talk is when you ask Fenris to 'say anything'. I thought it felt the most real on Hawke's part, the desperation and confusion, and delightfully awkward on Fenris' part.

I didn't like either of the responses to Hawke blaming him/herself from the male LI's. Anders admitted to not knowing Hawke's mother, which seems weird since I asked him to move in early in Act 2. Shouldn't he have gotten to know her? ::

Of course it's going to be easier for Anders to be open with Hawke. Fenris is taking to someone he just broke up with but still has feelings for. Anders is talking to someone who just confessed love to him and he's happily living with. You've got to read the subtext.

I've only seen one of Merrill's responses on Youtube, but that one annoyed me. "You never know" is not something I'd ever want to hear in response to me trying to find some kind of certainty that my just-deceased loved one is somewhere safe, nor would I want my significant other to start up a theological debate when I'm trying to grieve. To each their own, though.

EDIT: In conclusion, I would say that I found each of the LIs about equal in that scene, with some response I liked and each one having at least one I didn't think worked. Lucky it's multiple choice!

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 08 avril 2011 - 12:40 .

[Ryzaki]

Sjofn wrote...

Killing him or dumping him in the Gallows is WAY LATE in Act 3, late enough that misses the point mostly. I can't blame people wanting to dump him at the beginning of it (or after Justice) and being annoyed they can't, personally, 'cause the dude is not boyfriend material by then. My Hawke could deal with it, or wanted to deal with it, anyway, but I would've thought about dumping him after he pulled the emotional blackmail crap if I could've.

EDIT: Although if you tell him to ram his follow up quest, you pretty much ARE broken up, it's not like you have any more scenes with him if you do that.

Ah true. 

I don't know. I just was prepared for Anders being crazy. He's not exactly sane in the beginning of the romance to start with. Wanting to move in right after you slept together, ranting about how Vengeance wasn't a demon, killing an innocent girl, I already had seen him pretty messed up. 

I mean...if the events of Dissent doesn't set off alarm bells...

True you are. I was a bit  when I broke my romace with him. I had to give my Hawke a reason to go along with it. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 08 avril 2011 - 12:46 .

[remote_control_me]

I am pretty sure Merrils romance is my favorite. Something about her 'always the outsider' attitude really draws me to her. Probablt because i hate seeing people alone/ and thats just whhat she is in this game. Alone :/

[Sable Rhapsody]

Ryzaki wrote...
Ah true. 

I don't know. I just was prepared for Anders being crazy. He's not exactly sane in the beginning of the romance to start with. Wanting to move in right after you slept together, ranting about how Vengeance wasn't a demon, killing an innocent girl, I already had seen him pretty messed up. 

Yeah...when the game, the writer, the lore, Anders himself, and your own RPG instincts are SCREAMING that Anders is cray-cray and you plow on ahead with the sexytimes...you know you have problems 

[Sjofn]

I basically feel that not being able to definitively break up with any of the love interests at my whim was a huge mistake, so my sympathies lie with the people who wish they could've dumped Anders when he crossed their craziness-tolerance threshold, I guess.

[Ryzaki]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Ah true. 

I don't know. I just was prepared for Anders being crazy. He's not exactly sane in the beginning of the romance to start with. Wanting to move in right after you slept together, ranting about how Vengeance wasn't a demon, killing an innocent girl, I already had seen him pretty messed up. 

Yeah...when the game, the writer, the lore, Anders himself, and your own RPG instincts are SCREAMING that Anders is cray-cray and you plow on ahead with the sexytimes...you know you have problems 

Not to mention Varric's warning conversation only constantly toggles correctly with Anders . 

Though I can't break up with him once he shows up at my door. I can't break up with anyone once they show up at my door. I'm weak like that. 

Sjofn wrote...

I basically feel that not being able to definitively break up with any of the love interests at my whim was a huge mistake, so my sympathies lie with the people who wish they could've dumped Anders when he crossed their craziness-tolerance threshold, I guess.

I understand this. I would've preferred to dump Izzy before moving onto Fenris instead of feeling like a cheater. (Same with moving from Fenris to Anders). 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 08 avril 2011 - 01:02 .