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[zikadee]

Regarding Fenris's responses post-Leandra, that was actually one of the moments in the game that totally and completely floored me.  Because I have been Fenris in that position, saying those exact words...and it just felt so incredibly real to me.

Maybe it felt flippant to some people, but I can guarantee that there are people in this world who just can't be emotionally smooth in situations like that, either because they don't know how or they don't see the point of dressing up a terrible situation like that with words. It doesn't make them wrong or insensitive.  Just showing up and saying "I don't know what I can do, but I'm here" or something similar means, to me, "I love you, but I realize this situation is so terrible for you that there's nothing I can say to make it better. Tell me what to do to help you."

That's how I saw it.  Perhaps it was just personal experience swaying me, but it was one of my favorite scenes in the entire game.

[Avilia]

zikadee wrote...

Regarding Fenris's responses post-Leandra, that was actually one of the moments in the game that totally and completely floored me.  Because I have been Fenris in that position, saying those exact words...and it just felt so incredibly real to me.

Maybe it felt flippant to some people, but I can guarantee that there are people in this world who just can't be emotionally smooth in situations like that, either because they don't know how or they don't see the point of dressing up a terrible situation like that with words. It doesn't make them wrong or insensitive.  Just showing up and saying "I don't know what I can do, but I'm here" or something similar means, to me, "I love you, but I realize this situation is so terrible for you that there's nothing I can say to make it better. Tell me what to do to help you."

That's how I saw it.  Perhaps it was just personal experience swaying me, but it was one of my favorite scenes in the entire game.

Yes.  Just sitting down and being there is enough.  Glib words wouldn't do much in that situation I think.

I've just seen the Anders version - his "yell at me if you want to" was quite sweet I thought.  Suprised me actually as I didn't have high expectations for his romance.

[Sjofn]

Ryzaki wrote...

Sjofn wrote...

I basically feel that not being able to definitively break up with any of the love interests at my whim was a huge mistake, so my sympathies lie with the people who wish they could've dumped Anders when he crossed their craziness-tolerance threshold, I guess.

I understand this. I would've preferred to dump Izzy before moving onto Fenris instead of feeling like a cheater. (Same with moving from Fenris to Anders). 

Yessss, I hated that I never got to really break up with Isabela for realz, because we were in that weird limbo where people kept acting like we were together and stuff. WE NEEDED TO TALK.

[Ryzaki]

Sjofn wrote...
Yessss, I hated that I never got to really break up with Isabela for realz, because we were in that weird limbo where people kept acting like we were together and stuff. WE NEEDED TO TALK.

LOL 

Same with Fenris. "You dumped me Fenris...why are you making puppy eyes at my back? Why does Anders act like Hawke and Fenris haven't been broken up for the last 3 years?" 

As for the Fenris thing. It is realistic. Though having been in Hawke's situation I prefer Anders' approach. Maybe that's because that's the way I'm used to being comforted. My family is very huggy feelly. So that's what I'm used to.(even when it makes me feel extremely odd and uncomfortable at moments. It was very welcome in that time.) Anders moment had a warmth and familiarity to me. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 08 avril 2011 - 01:25 .

[Noir_Skye]

Julilla wrote...

After Leandra, I asked Fenris if it was my fault and I thought his answer was flippant. But I dunno, I'm just not into chasing someone who so obviously seems not to want me. I did too much of that in college...lol.

But if you pick the conversation at the bottom that asks him to just say something.  He will sit down on the bed with you.  It's a better response, but he has no idea how to comfort Hawke.

[Trexorange]

Fenris's answer to asking if it's his fault isn't flippant. It's realistic. You are asking for forgiveness when it's not him that can forgive.

Also, I like the FemHawke/Merril romance. She say's she worships you. Maybe its the same with male hawke but she didn't say that when i did the Male hawke/merril romance, so i dont think so.

[tmp7704]

Sjofn wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I understand this. I would've preferred to dump Izzy before moving onto Fenris instead of feeling like a cheater. (Same with moving from Fenris to Anders). 

Yessss, I hated that I never got to really break up with Isabela for realz, because we were in that weird limbo where people kept acting like we were together and stuff. WE NEEDED TO TALK.

It's rather unfortunate side-effect of the more generic change they did to the dialogue system, with the unability to start conversation on your own

In DAO you always had access to the "i think we have to end this" dialogue if nothing else...

[theauthority]

So far, the only two I've played are Isabela and Merrill's romances.
Isabela's friendship romance is quite funny, starts like a "between sheets" affair then she ends up attaching herself to Hawke more than she ever implied (proof is when she shows up after All That Remains and you choose "I'm an orphan now" dialogue option).
On my first playthrough I was like "Great, got dumped because of the relic" but then she redeemed herself. Plus, you get the girl AND the ship to go play naughty pirates around the world.
Somewhat of a carefree romance, true, but I've always thought Hawke deserves some lightness in his/her life (I find it unrealistic to put up with Kirwall's problems and a LI's issues. Got them? I ain't your psychiatrist or emotional rage-dump, thank you very much).

Merrill is interesting on her rival romance, you get the feeling Hawke's impacted on her life much more than saying "yeah, go on with the mirror, let's all play dumb over the Blood Magic thing". The love/hate dynamic works better, I think. Her confusion over conflicting feelings is believable enough and well delivered by her voice actress.
Some pointed out her worshipping Hawke - true but in the end it turns into actual affection, just hear her line if she's kidnapped by Thrask on Best Served Cold.
She has issues, I know, but you have the chance to have her see the truth. I didn't feel a bit guilty over taking down the whole clan (to be honest, Marethari aside, they all look like total douches I couldn't care less about). But, since I always side with Werewolves on Origins, I'm not being impartial here

All other LIs, I don't know, I don't plan on romancing any of them. I'm male irl so I might be partially biased towards them, despite my personal dislike for Anders and Fenris as characters (on Origins, it was Leliana or Morrigan for me).

[UrsulaCousland]

zikadee wrote...

Regarding Fenris's responses post-Leandra, that was actually one of the moments in the game that totally and completely floored me.  Because I have been Fenris in that position, saying those exact words...and it just felt so incredibly real to me.

Maybe it felt flippant to some people, but I can guarantee that there are people in this world who just can't be emotionally smooth in situations like that, either because they don't know how or they don't see the point of dressing up a terrible situation like that with words. It doesn't make them wrong or insensitive.  Just showing up and saying "I don't know what I can do, but I'm here" or something similar means, to me, "I love you, but I realize this situation is so terrible for you that there's nothing I can say to make it better. Tell me what to do to help you."

That's how I saw it.  Perhaps it was just personal experience swaying me, but it was one of my favorite scenes in the entire game.

I've been in Hawke's position in this scenario (obviously I didn't lose Mom to a blood mage, but...). My poor husband, who was what kept me sane through those events, was *there*, and that was what I needed - not glib words, not even words at all, really.  I almost cried at Fenris's post-Leandra scene for that reason alone, and I think that's what completely won me over on him.

[ohmyashlee]

So far I've only romanced Anders and Fenris.

With Anders I did the friendmance path on my first playthrough. I was totally head over heels with the guy up until the end. Then things quite literally blow up in your face and you're forced to make hard decisions. Inevitably, I spared Anders and agreed to have my rogue stay with him in the end. I resented Anders for what he did, but I couldn't bring myself to kill him. I wish there was an option to backhand him. Sheesh.

With Fenris I went for the rivalmance first with my male mage. Boy, that was fun. Fenris is pretty pissy about everything concerning magic so it's not hard to get him to despise the choices you make if you side with mages regularly. I can't bring myself to side with the templars on most issues so...yeah. The rivalry path is more angry and passionate. Fenris doesn't agree with your decisions, but he respects you nonetheless. Ahem. The angry wall kiss is THE BEST.

I did the friendship romance for Fenris during my female warrior playthrough. I still sided with the mages in almost all the appropriate quests and just left Fenris at home. Like I said, I really enjoyed the passion of the rivalry path, but HOT DAMN the sweet, calm Fenris is just as irresistible if not more so. After my last two playthroughs I think I've been thoroughly converted into a Fenris fan. Yet, I think that the Anders romance is probably the best simply because of how terribly tragic it is. UGGH these romances.

Modifié par ohmyashlee, 10 avril 2011 - 06:27 .

[Rabies]

I've romanced both Isabella and Merrill. I haven't romanced any of the males since I'm male too and doing so feels...weird. I'm not into that kind of thing. Anyways, back on topic...

I personally liked Merrill's romance the best. The girl is just sweetness to the core, covered in gore and blood magic. I am working on a rivalry romance in one of my playthroughs right now as that's going to be my "goody two shoes" Hawke, BUT my actual Hawke will always be my Mage-Hawke. The story just seems more personal with the conflict between the mages and the templars, and I had him romance Isabella.

Isabella is surprisingly kind and loving....and awkward when it comes to her emotions. The fact that she's falling in love terrifies her. That journal entry - "I didn't come back for them. I came back for you. It was always about you." just was rather shocking. The pirate queen has a heart of gold deep down inside of her, and truthfully doesn't really like herself and covers it up beneath all that sex appeal and bravado.

If I was going to choose based solely on personality - then Isabella. I like competent and confident women. If I were going to choose based solely on writing and story then I would go with Merrill. The build up of their relationship is way more thought out than the romance with Isabella.

[Eternally Faithful]

zikadee wrote...

Regarding Fenris's responses post-Leandra, that was actually one of the moments in the game that totally and completely floored me.  Because I have been Fenris in that position, saying those exact words...and it just felt so incredibly real to me.

Maybe it felt flippant to some people, but I can guarantee that there are people in this world who just can't be emotionally smooth in situations like that, either because they don't know how or they don't see the point of dressing up a terrible situation like that with words. It doesn't make them wrong or insensitive.  Just showing up and saying "I don't know what I can do, but I'm here" or something similar means, to me, "I love you, but I realize this situation is so terrible for you that there's nothing I can say to make it better. Tell me what to do to help you."

That's how I saw it.  Perhaps it was just personal experience swaying me, but it was one of my favorite scenes in the entire game.

I agree with this COMPLETELY. There are times when 'It'll be all right' just feels like a slap in the face, like 'How would you know? You aren't feeling what I feel.' When Fenris walked in, I was kinda surprised, since he'd already dumped my Hawke, and I was honestly expecting that 'It'll be all right' talk. Instead he says he finds empty words meaningless and just sits down next to her. In that moment, I COMPLETELY forgave him for walking out on Hawke.

My favorites are sort of between Fenris' and Merrill's rivalmance. Merrill's romance reminded me to much of Tali's, and the hero-worship wasn't that appealing. I didn't like the rivalmance at first, mainly because it required being mean to her, which is about as easy as not giving Tali a hug on her personal quest. But I completely fell in love with it after my aggressive/snarky Hawke told her that he was so tough on her because he cared about her. Seeing that soft side and watching them embrace afterwards was so sweet.

Fenris's rivalmance just melted my heart. The casual flirting in Act I was nothing new, but it was so cute watching his flustered reaction the first time you flirted with him. But Acts II and III were what really sold it. His whole sex scene was somewhere between passionate, sweet, and heart-breaking, all at the same time. And even though he ditched you, he's still there for you after Leandra's death. Fixing your relationship in Act III and him saying that he will stand by you, even when you side with the mages, was the icing on the cake . It's even better when you play a mage, because even though he hates mages and doesn't always agree with you, he's willing to put the past behind him to be with you. It was just so much better than Anders in my opinion, who doesn't even offer a hug, much less a kiss.

Anders and Isabela had their perks, too, don't get me wrong. I pretty much loved Anders in Acts I and II, and I enjoyed his romance overall, but Act III was just..ugh. I romanced him on my second playthrough, so I knew what he would do, but I thought, 'Well, even if he didn't trust my pro-mage MageHawke, he's not gonna lie to the woman he loves, right?' WRONG! Him flat-out lying to her, using her, and not even giving her a hug even though she'd taken him back pretty much ruined the romance for me.

I personally never romanced Isabela, but I watched my brother while he did. I thought it was sweet how she gets all flustered when Hawke calls her out on being afraid of hurting people, and her nervous confession of love. Although when she propositioned Zevran my brother and I were like, 'What? I thought you loved Hawke!' After watching the romance, I've gotta say I prefer Izzie as a friend. Though I will try rivalmancing her soon.

Modifié par Eternally Faithful, 18 avril 2011 - 04:47 .