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sylvanaerie wrote...

Otherwise, I thought he was a grim, humourless ****** which is what I have come to expect from the majority of GW leaders.


And he is just a Warden from Orlais. Just imagine the Grey Wardens from Anderfels. The Anders are grim and humourless by nature. If that meets the Grey Warden fierceness... the Anderfels Wardens would make pretty good Qunari.

But hey... I don't see anything in the life of a Warden that wouldn't justify his grim behaviour. You're just running around, fighting Darkspawn, getting plagued by nightmares and die an early death. On the Battlefield or the Deep Roads.

Not many reasons for being sociable and friendly.

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No, there aren't many reasons to be sociable and friendly. That doesn't mean he has to be anti-social. Maybe that's how he has always been though and maybe being a Grey Warden actually mellowed him to the guy we meet. Maybe he lost someone special to Darkspawn and doesn't want to get close to anyone again. There could be a multitude of reasons why he acts that way. I didn't say I didn't understand WHY he is humourless and grim, just that that is why I dislike the character. (Which is the original topic of this thread, why is he disliked?).

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Stroud is perfectly fine in my opinion.

I think what bothers people isn't *him* specifically, but that the story occurring around him felt very sad and grim.... and short.

Ya see him in all of 5 minutes in the deeproads and that's just to take your sibling away. So while you like him for saving your sibling, you still feel loss. Next time you see him is during the qunari invasion, while you're sibling gives you an emotional kick to the groin. While you're still reeling from that you barely notice that Stroud tries to help you out a little by giving you a ring. On a different note though, Stroud's promise to spread the news to other cities never materializes to anything. While that's not his fault (since you put the arishok 6 feet under and then some) you never get the feeling "hey Stroud actually got me some reinforcements, i can count on him! what a great guy!"

We also never find out what he was up to... so there is no feeling of fulfillment finding that out.

So while Stroud in himself is just another character, he doesn't seem to have a story that we get to see.

Maybe that is what bothers people about him, unrealized expectations.

"Hey look its stroud!"
".....and?"

Modifié par Alexein, 05 avril 2011 - 07:13 .


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I guess most people dislike Stroud because he doesn't fit the idea of "GREY WARDENS MUST HELP NO MATTER WHAT!!!!." Most people view the Wardens as defenders of the innocent and while that may be true, people like Alistair may be good people but as Wardens they would be horrible. I remember the Cousland teacher in the HN origin stating that the Wardens would burn down whole villages before Darkspawn could reach them. That doesn't sound like a kind group of people. Considering that Alistair as a Wardens states the Warden HQ was basically pissed at him and the Warden for the MASSIVE amount of political manipulation they did during the Blight. Wardens don't get involve in politics and could anger potential allies in the Qunari if they fought, not to mention the fact that Wardens can't get involved in every little skirmish lest they lose most of their Order and thus are weaker when fighting Darkspawn. The Grey Wardens aren't mercenaries and must deal with the Darkspawn and whatever is in the Deep Roads along with some strange and intriguing bit of info from Avernus and Nathaniel.

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Alexein wrote...

Stroud is perfectly fine in my opinion.

I think what bothers people isn't *him* specifically, but that the story occurring around him felt very sad and grim.... and short.

Ya see him in all of 5 minutes in the deeproads and that's just to take your sibling away. So while you like him for saving your sibling, you still feel loss. Next time you see him is during the qunari invasion, while you're sibling gives you an emotional kick to the groin. While you're still reeling from that you barely notice that Stroud tries to help you out a little by giving you a ring. On a different note though, Stroud's promise to spread the news to other cities never materializes to anything. While that's not his fault (since you put the arishok 6 feet under and then some) you never get the feeling "hey Stroud actually got me some reinforcements, i can count on him! what a great guy!"

We also never find out what he was up to... so there is no feeling of fulfillment finding that out.

So while Stroud in himself is just another character, he doesn't seem to have a story that we get to see.

Maybe that is what bothers people about him, unrealized expectations.

"Hey look its stroud!"
".....and?"


Maybe we get Stroud as an DLC Character? I don't think that Bioware wouldn't tell us what the big thread is that he and his group mentioned. Or would they? Image IPB

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He is on a quest to find a worthy host for Duncan's beard, that's pressing enough matter for me.

He's all right in my books.

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What was more important?

Somebody saw a Genlock up on 12.
Must have been some Genlock.
Taint your eyes out ...

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thesuperdarkone wrote...

I guess most people dislike Stroud because he doesn't fit the idea of "GREY WARDENS MUST HELP NO MATTER WHAT!!!!." Most people view the Wardens as defenders of the innocent and while that may be true, people like Alistair may be good people but as Wardens they would be horrible. I remember the Cousland teacher in the HN origin stating that the Wardens would burn down whole villages before Darkspawn could reach them. That doesn't sound like a kind group of people. Considering that Alistair as a Wardens states the Warden HQ was basically pissed at him and the Warden for the MASSIVE amount of political manipulation they did during the Blight. Wardens don't get involve in politics and could anger potential allies in the Qunari if they fought, not to mention the fact that Wardens can't get involved in every little skirmish lest they lose most of their Order and thus are weaker when fighting Darkspawn. The Grey Wardens aren't mercenaries and must deal with the Darkspawn and whatever is in the Deep Roads along with some strange and intriguing bit of info from Avernus and Nathaniel.


Seconded.  Just because OUR Warden being directed by us may have saved every kitten he or she saw in a tree does not make that the official policy of the Grey Wardens - in fact, we were only given such autonomy because we were essentially cut off from the entire organization, alone, and facing a crisis.  At some point Riorden actually says that the Wardens from Orlais might just let Ferelden burn without help, so they aren't weakened in their ability to deal with the darkspawn when they spill out of our borders.  That's pretty much the ethic Grey Wardens as an organization has.  In peace, vigilance.  In war, victory.  In death, sacrifice.  Right?

Some of my Wardens took that with a grain of salt and decided to embrace their personal ethics instead and do good whenever possible, and others were more hardline and if it was expedient it got done and if it wasn't well I had a blight to contend with.  Being sent on the Sacred Ashes quest was very annoying for some of my characters who really just thought "Hey, I just killed that kid, leave the room for 10 minutes I'll kill this old guy too and we can get on with assembling the army, because I still have some Dwarves to see before we roll out."

Grim and to the point is the Order.  Duncan cut Jory down and you drank darkspawn blood while his blood pooled around your feet.  Brutal is their business, but they are needed - and with the blight over, they have to survive to see the next blight to save us all again.  Priorities - none of which involve helping innocents get out of Kirkwall's flames.

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Stroud is a good man, if firm for his station. I like to think that he was the one who volunteered to take up the search for me, in regards to the unusual disappearing trick I pulled.

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The occasions when you meet him aren't exactly cheerful. Maybe he's a laugh riot when there aren't people begging for their sibling's lives or Qunari invasions going on?

Though if he's the guy who took Anders' cat away, then I will have no mercy on him.

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Well, I thought he was kind of a douche. I mean, this is your dying sibling. He could question the viability of making them a warden without being quite such a dick. Don't hate him, though. Don't want to see him leading the wardens, either.

Modifié par errant_knight, 05 avril 2011 - 07:48 .


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errant_knight wrote...

Well, I thought he was kind of a douche. I mean, this is your dying sibling. He could question the viability of making them a warden without being quite such a dick. Don't hate him, though. Don't want to see him leading the wardens, either.


It wasn't like Duncan was any nicer. I still recall his "We're not a charity organization" line as they dragged poor Soris off to prison during the City Elf origin.

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Wow, uh... if people are this critical of Stroud I guess they've never made Bethany into a Grey Warden? Because she makes Stroud look warm and fuzzy. I assume Carver is much the same.

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Cutlass Jack wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Well, I thought he was kind of a douche. I mean, this is your dying sibling. He could question the viability of making them a warden without being quite such a dick. Don't hate him, though. Don't want to see him leading the wardens, either.


It wasn't like Duncan was any nicer. I still recall his "We're not a charity organization" line as they dragged poor Soris off to prison during the City Elf origin.


True.

Really, the wardens as a whole are very cold individuals. Duncan was actually one of the nicer ones apparently.

That being said, I do dislike Stroud quite a bit. Hell, I dislike all the wardens really (except Riordan and my warden... :P).

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Addai67 wrote...

Wow, uh... if people are this critical of Stroud I guess they've never made Bethany into a Grey Warden? Because she makes Stroud look warm and fuzzy. I assume Carver is much the same.


Nope. Carver actually gets nicer if you make him a warden. Or at least he stops ****ing at you Image IPB

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Addai67 wrote...

Wow, uh... if people are this critical of Stroud I guess they've never made Bethany into a Grey Warden? Because she makes Stroud look warm and fuzzy. I assume Carver is much the same.


Yea Carver was pretty much "okay ya mom's dead, big deal.  Okay, Stroud, we gotta go...(do whatever it is they are going to go do).  Not looking forward to Bethany's conversation there either now.  I assumed Carver did it because of the rivalry thing.  Maybe being a ****** is just a Grey Warden thing.
However, I am hoping the end will be much better.  Carver when he catches up to Hawke in Act 3 seems more settled and 'at peace' with his life, and has a new sense of purpose in being a Grey Warden.  I am hoping this is the case with Bethany as well.

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Wulfram wrote...

The occasions when you meet him aren't exactly cheerful. Maybe he's a laugh riot when there aren't people begging for their sibling's lives or Qunari invasions going on?




Alistair: "Look! It's Stroud!..... The funny one.... Because of you no one takes me seriously."

:wizard:

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Bethany has a reason for acting like she does if you make her a Warden. And ultimately she does apologize for it. Carver has little reason for acting like a ****** (as Aveline so eloquently put it)

Really Bethany is happier though if she goes to the Circle. But I'll admit to putting her in the wardens purely so she could get that really spiffy outfit. She looks quite badass as a warden.

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Cutlass Jack wrote...

But I'll admit to putting her in the wardens purely so she could get that really spiffy outfit. She looks quite badass as a warden.


We need pics For Great Justice!

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She does look good in it, much better than the mage robes she gets for the Circle or the starter outfit she has.
I want that as a mod for my LadyHawke!

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Khayness wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

But I'll admit to putting her in the wardens purely so she could get that really spiffy outfit. She looks quite badass as a warden.


We need pics For Great Justice!


Warden Bethany, [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]


Stern Bethany
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She made me think i just kicked a puppy after she gave me that look.


Heartfelt smile
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another smile
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Yet Another smile
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Pondering Bethany
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Happy to see you Bethany
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Cutlass Jack wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Well, I thought he was kind of a douche. I mean, this is your dying sibling. He could question the viability of making them a warden without being quite such a dick. Don't hate him, though. Don't want to see him leading the wardens, either.


It wasn't like Duncan was any nicer. I still recall his "We're not a charity organization" line as they dragged poor Soris off to prison during the City Elf origin.



Or that whole thing where he shanked Jori.

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Cutlass Jack wrote...

Bethany has a reason for acting like she does if you make her a Warden. And ultimately she does apologize for it. Carver has little reason for acting like a ****** (as Aveline so eloquently put it)

Really Bethany is happier though if she goes to the Circle. But I'll admit to putting her in the wardens purely so she could get that really spiffy outfit. She looks quite badass as a warden.

Because her sibling saved her life and she doesn't have to hide as an apostate any longer?

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I remember seeing her in that outfit, and later looking up Carver's, and thinking, "Now why didn't I get any spiffy armor like that?" I like it more than the set you get from Sophia Dryden at Soldier's Peak.

It just needs one of those over-the-top winged helmets and it's gold.

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Alexein wrote...

Warden Bethany, [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]


Cheers!

She looks like a medieval crossbow archer.