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[PantheraOnca]

XxDeonxX wrote...

wait so does Stroud become Commander of the Grey in Ferelden after our Warden leaves?

On none of my playthroughs did i ever get the impression that Stroud was the CotG:F, where does this idea come from, i see it brought up frequently.

[TheBlackBaron]

I personally liked to think that Nathaniel became the Ferelden Warden-Commander after the disappearance of the Hero of Ferelden, although evidently this is not the case.

Judging from Teagan's comment about expecting the Warden to be back in Denerim, it's entirely possible he's simply presumed to be off on a solo mission or MIA and the actual post of Commander of the Grey is vacant.

[dgcatanisiri]

XxDeonxX wrote...

wait so does Stroud become Commander of the Grey in Ferelden after our Warden leaves?

There's nothing official said on the matter. I personally just believe it because he and Anders have some kind of history, and, arguments about the timeline aside, it would be the easiest way to put it all together.

[Augustei]

Its just, if Alistair remains in the wardens he is the one that makes the cameo. Since he was the other warden who fought the blight, a Ferelden and effectively "Senior" warden. It makes sense that he would suceed the hero of ferelden in being Commander of the Grey after he steps down. Thats why i thought Stroud / Alistair is the new commander of the grey. Since they will bring in an Orlesian guy to command in the absence of a better cantidate.. I mean Oghren is to drunk. Sigrun wants to kill herself, Anders left, Velanna is crazy, Justice (Kristoffs body) died. And Nathaniel doesn't appear to be the commander in the way he is presented.

[sylvanaerie]

But don't the Free Marches have wardens of their own? I just assumed he was a Free Marches Warden. It could be with the blight done in Ferelden, they got news of something rising in the Free Marches in the Ancient Thaig?
Alistair showing up doesn't make much sense in that respect but maybe that was the only place they could insert him if you GW him.
And GW Alistair better not be getting it on with Bethany, my Dalish would kick her lover's ass all the way back to Ferelden if she found that out!

[Wulfram]

Carver's letter seems to imply he's in Ferelden - he mentions "Ferelden already has a hero who stopped the Blight" - and the sibling potentially turns up with both Alistair and Nathaniel later on, so there's definitely a strong connection to the Amaranthine chapter of the Grey Wardens.

[TheBlackBaron]

sylvanaerie wrote...

But don't the Free Marches have wardens of their own? I just assumed he was a Free Marches Warden. It could be with the blight done in Ferelden, they got news of something rising in the Free Marches in the Ancient Thaig?
Alistair showing up doesn't make much sense in that respect but maybe that was the only place they could insert him if you GW him.
And GW Alistair better not be getting it on with Bethany, my Dalish would kick her lover's ass all the way back to Ferelden if she found that out!

Beth's post-Deep Roads codex indicates that she spends a considerable amount of time patrolling in Ferelden. I like to imagine that with the Free Marches being as fragmented as they are, the Wardens have been unable to establish a primary base within the region, and so their detachments there all take orders from direct superiors located in the surrounding nations. That includes being rotated with other Warden groups from their mother country.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 06 avril 2011 - 08:56 .

[TobiTobsen]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

If she was doing anyone it was more likely Nathaniel. They were down in the deep roads together too. And he acted a little awkward when he found out you were her sibling. Also he can show up at the end when she does.

This. He acted rather strange. But better him than Mr. "Sorry my beard is not as epic as Duncan's" Stroud.

I don't think that he ist the Commander of the Grey after our Warden left. We are in the Free Marches. Pretty sure they have their own Grey Wardens there. Alistair just makes his cameo because they couldn't fit him anywhere else.

dgcatanisiri wrote...

Something about him... bugs me. Maybe it's just that he's Orleiasians - I've noticed that I get this sensation of needing a shower every time I encounter a man from Orleias. And Antiva, for the most part, come to think...

I only have that feeling after speaking with Antivians... these guys are all way too sleazy. Oh... and Meeran. But thats just because I read some FanFic with him and Bethany... and felt bad afterwards.

[TheBlackBaron]

TobiTobsen wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

If she was doing anyone it was more likely Nathaniel. They were down in the deep roads together too. And he acted a little awkward when he found out you were her sibling. Also he can show up at the end when she does.

This. He acted rather strange. But better him than Mr. "Sorry my beard is not as epic as Duncan's" Stroud.

I support this. 

But what do you mean Nathaniel can show up at the end, Jack? 

Oh... and Meeran. But thats just because I read some FanFic with him and Bethany... and felt bad afterwards.

This just makes me go "what".

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 06 avril 2011 - 08:58 .

[TobiTobsen]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

If she was doing anyone it was more likely Nathaniel. They were down in the deep roads together too. And he acted a little awkward when he found out you were her sibling. Also he can show up at the end when she does.

This. He acted rather strange. But better him than Mr. "Sorry my beard is not as epic as Duncan's" Stroud.

I support this. 

But what do you mean Nathaniel can show up at the end, Jack? 

Nathaniel joins the fight against Meredith. I don't know if Bethany/Carver has to be an active group member (like Donnic only joins the fight if Aveline is active) but he will be there like Zevran and other guys.

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Oh... and Meeran. But thats just because I read some FanFic with him and Bethany... and felt bad afterwards.

This just makes me go "what".

Don't search for it. I will never get it out of my head. I will never be able to choose the Red Irons again. It's.... no... just no.

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 06 avril 2011 - 09:02 .

[TheBlackBaron]

TobiTobsen wrote...
Nathaniel joins the fight against Meredith. I don't know if Bethany/Carver has to be an active group member (like Donnic only joins the fight if Aveline is active) but he will be there like Zevran and other guys.

Huh. I'll have to be on the look out for that next time I get to the Meredith battle. I noticed Cullen and the remaining non-active party members running around doing there thing, but not anybody else. 

Zevran shows up too, huh? I would assume that's related to having Isabela in the party. 

Don't search for it. I will never get it out of my head. I will never be able to choose the Red Irons again. It's.... no... just no.

...This is just total schmuck bait now. 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 06 avril 2011 - 09:07 .

[Augustei]

sylvanaerie wrote...

But don't the Free Marches have wardens of their own? I just assumed he was a Free Marches Warden. It could be with the blight done in Ferelden, they got news of something rising in the Free Marches in the Ancient Thaig?
Alistair showing up doesn't make much sense in that respect but maybe that was the only place they could insert him if you GW him.
And GW Alistair better not be getting it on with Bethany, my Dalish would kick her lover's ass all the way back to Ferelden if she found that out!

I think Amaranthine is the closest chaper to Kirkwall however, and the Free Marches aren't unified so the commander of the grey in one area of free marches might not be the commander of the grey of the whole free marches.. or something lol

All I remember hearing is Anders saying there is no Grey Warden chapter here (Kirkwall) and thats one of the reasons he came here. So yeah im thinking Amaranthine is the closest chapter since we see them so much

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 06 avril 2011 - 09:41 .

[Foolsfolly]

PantheraOnca wrote...

JJDrakken wrote...

Ashkost say hissra!

JJ

Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra

:O:O

Funniest quote I've seen on these forums in days.

[Cutlass Jack]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

But what do you mean Nathaniel can show up at the end, Jack? 

In the end fight against Meridith, extra people can show up to help fight. (Much like the end battle in Origins.) Most notably, Guardsman Donnic, Zeveran and Nathaniel (in that order) But only up to 8 people total. Cullen and your party (active and nonactive) fill the slots first. Your dog also counts if you have it out.

So if all your companions are still with you for your end fight and you have your dog out, you probably won't see Nathaniel.

Obviously the other requirement is that those characters have the potential to show up to begin with. Meaning you won't see Nathaniel in that fight if you didn't get his quest.

[sonsonthebia07]

He was too similar to Riordan but other than that he was a cool dude.

[The Angry One]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

I personally liked to think that Nathaniel became the Ferelden Warden-Commander after the disappearance of the Hero of Ferelden, although evidently this is not the case.

Judging from Teagan's comment about expecting the Warden to be back in Denerim, it's entirely possible he's simply presumed to be off on a solo mission or MIA and the actual post of Commander of the Grey is vacant.

If the Warden is Queen, Alistair's dialog implies he knows for sure she was around before he left for Kirkwall.
This probably means any Warden might not have disappeared up to this point. Well unless they went through the mirror, but the game doesn't read Witch Hunt so..

[Arppis]

Comedy mustache!..

But I don't really even know the guy! I just saw him once in the game, and that was when he said Grey Wardens forgot the pant-press on or something.

[Lithuasil]

PantheraOnca wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...
the second most stupid organization in Thedas :|

Gah! Consider your opinion license revoked!

Well, an organization that kills two thirds of its recruits upon recruitment, and kills  the rest a little bit slower, for no reason at all, as long as there's no blight around, doesn't strike me as the smart kids club   
And when said organization has this massive reputation as great heroes going on (because the murder anyone that could tell they're basically glorified darkspawn), and they still have to get their recruits entirely by blackmail, that's pretty good evidence to further my theory 

[The Angry One]

Lithuasil wrote...

PantheraOnca wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...
the second most stupid organization in Thedas :|

Gah! Consider your opinion license revoked!

Well, an organization that kills two thirds of its recruits upon recruitment, and kills  the rest a little bit slower, for no reason at all, as long as there's no blight around, doesn't strike me as the smart kids club   
And when said organization has this massive reputation as great heroes going on (because the murder anyone that could tell they're basically glorified darkspawn), and they still have to get their recruits entirely by blackmail, that's pretty good evidence to further my theory 

Supposedly Grey Wardens hear the Darkspawn are thus the only ones capable of fighting them without being surprised and slaughtered (like Sten's group).
Of course this concept is constantly undermined in DA:O by Darkspawn jumping you all the time anyway, and in DA2 by Hawke walking all over them.

[Lithuasil]

The Angry One wrote...
Supposedly Grey Wardens hear the Darkspawn are thus the only ones capable of fighting them without being surprised and slaughtered (like Sten's group).
Of course this concept is constantly undermined in DA:O by Darkspawn jumping you all the time anyway, and in DA2 by Hawke walking all over them.

Because clearly, something as graceful as an ogre, will sneak up on any seasoned warrior. In a tunnel. Wait, how do you get surprised in a ****ing tunnel? oO

Also, wouldn't it still make more sense, to have like one scout per group, and three times as many soldiers?

[The Angry One]

Lithuasil wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
Supposedly Grey Wardens hear the Darkspawn are thus the only ones capable of fighting them without being surprised and slaughtered (like Sten's group).
Of course this concept is constantly undermined in DA:O by Darkspawn jumping you all the time anyway, and in DA2 by Hawke walking all over them.

Because clearly, something as graceful as an ogre, will sneak up on any seasoned warrior. In a tunnel. Wait, how do you get surprised in a ****ing tunnel? oO

Also, wouldn't it still make more sense, to have like one scout per group, and three times as many soldiers?

There's also the risk of being tainted.
You know, the one that comes up only through act of plot on expendable siblings.

[TobiTobsen]

The Angry One wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
Supposedly Grey Wardens hear the Darkspawn are thus the only ones capable of fighting them without being surprised and slaughtered (like Sten's group).
Of course this concept is constantly undermined in DA:O by Darkspawn jumping you all the time anyway, and in DA2 by Hawke walking all over them.

Because clearly, something as graceful as an ogre, will sneak up on any seasoned warrior. In a tunnel. Wait, how do you get surprised in a ****ing tunnel? oO

Also, wouldn't it still make more sense, to have like one scout per group, and three times as many soldiers?

There's also the risk of being tainted.
You know, the one that comes up only through act of plot on expendable siblings.

Do we ever saw somebody get the taint by fighting darkspawn, besides our siblings? I mean other than getting wounded like Wesley or the militia in Awakening. The Taint seems to be awfully ineffectiv if you dont gulp down a massive amount of Darkspawn blood.

[Lithuasil]

The Angry One wrote...

There's also the risk of being tainted.
You know, the one that comes up only through act of plot on expendable siblings.

Joining the grey wardens cures the taint - still not a reason, why you'd want to kill off two thirds of your recruits before it becomes necessary. Besides, the legion of the dead doesn't die in hordes, do they, so it must be possible to protect yourself from the taint without becoming a darkspawn yourself.

[Herr Uhl]

TobiTobsen wrote...

Do we ever saw somebody get the taint by fighting darkspawn, besides our siblings? I mean other than getting wounded like Wesley or the militia in Awakening. The Taint seems to be awfully ineffectiv if you dont gulp down a massive amount of Darkspawn blood.

Dog in DAO and the people on the stretchers in Ostagar.

[The Angry One]

Lithuasil wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

There's also the risk of being tainted.
You know, the one that comes up only through act of plot on expendable siblings.

Joining the grey wardens cures the taint - still not a reason, why you'd want to kill off two thirds of your recruits before it becomes necessary. Besides, the legion of the dead doesn't die in hordes, do they, so it must be possible to protect yourself from the taint without becoming a darkspawn yourself.

If you come down to it, it's a rite of passage. Like Spartans or some modern day gangs who beat you within an inch of your life. If you don't survive.. well you weren't cool enough to join, obviously.
Thus you get arrogant self-entitled disco morons like Stroud.