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[KSuri]

Who did you choose and why?


Personally I went with the Templars. I couldn't deny that Kirkwall was overrun with Blood Mages and would be Abominations. How many times had I tried to help mages out, giving them the benefit of the doubt, only to have them bite me in the arse later. (Usually as big freaking demons of some sort!) It was upsetting that there would be some innocent mages killed in the process and I did do everything I could to spare those whose surrendered while Annuling the Circle but it really did seem like the vast majority of mages were ready to sell themselves to any demon that came down the pike. And don't even get me started on f-ing Anders!

[Torax]

I went with defending the Mages. I'm not about to kill every mage I see cause the idiot mage that blew up the Chantry is standing next to me with my Dagger itch'n to meet him.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Templars. Not because one mage blew up The Chantry but because most mages were blood mages in Kirkwall, even Anders says so at one point. I didn't kill every mage though, I spared the ones that threw themselves at my mercy but the Templars seem like the best choice. Even my mage sided with The Templars but my mage would prefer the circle to offer more freedom but understands Templars are always needed where my Warrior templar is more strict against mages but not a complete bastard.

[KSuri]

Torax wrote...

I went with defending the Mages. I'm not about to kill every mage I see cause the idiot mage that blew up the Chantry is standing next to me with my Dagger itch'n to meet him.

You have no idea how much I wanted to jail him until the Circle problem was taken care of and then have him answer for his crimes in front fo the whole of Kirkwall. Alas, that wasn't an option because he'd have swung for sure.

[Cutlass Jack]

I went with mages because they were in no way responsible for what Anders did. I promptly regretted this as I was still forced to kill tons of 'my side' on the way to the Gallows. Because they insisted on proving Samson right at every opportunity and resort to blood magic.

It was sad that that only two that didn't were my sister and Emile (who could have been your brother...or you...if your mother didn't marry a Hawke instead). Though the latter lied about Blood Magic to try to pick up women. That still makes me laugh.


On subsequent playthroughs I went Templar for better damage control. Though it ends up with being forced into the Vicount position that I really didn't want. Shame I couldn't give the job to Aveline. The crown was the same fit as her silly headband...

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 05 avril 2011 - 04:10 .

[Nerivant]

Mage, so I could keep Anders alive until it would be hilariously inappropriate to kill him.

And then kill him.

[Rifneno]

Mages, every time.  The entire reason all those mages turn to blood magic and demons is because the power abusing zealots locked them in the most haunted place in Thedas so they'd have demons whispering sweet nothings in their ears 24/7 until they cracked.  My only grudge against Anders is that he waited so long. 

[LobselVith8]

I sided with the mages. From the POV of Hawke, siding with Meredith would condemn all the mages to death (and there is the absense of "survivors" in the templar ending when it's made explicit in the mage ending). There was no evidence that the entire or even that most of the Circle was corrupt, and Meredith was going to execute the eldest mage to the youngest apprentice based on the actions of a former Grey Warden standing a few feet from her (who she promptly ignored). Given how Hawke becomes a hero of the mages and the Circles finally rebelled against the Chantry, I wasn't disappointed with the results of the ending, especially since Hawke's actions allowed many mages to survive, although I wished the ending and the events of Act III were a little more coherent.

[Augustei]

KSuri wrote...

Who did you choose and why?


Personally I went with the Templars. I couldn't deny that Kirkwall was overrun with Blood Mages and would be Abominations. How many times had I tried to help mages out, giving them the benefit of the doubt, only to have them bite me in the arse later. (Usually as big freaking demons of some sort!) It was upsetting that there would be some innocent mages killed in the process and I did do everything I could to spare those whose surrendered while Annuling the Circle but it really did seem like the vast majority of mages were ready to sell themselves to any demon that came down the pike. And don't even get me started on f-ing Anders!

Ive tried both but my canon import will be siding with Templars, My Hawke was a bit of a selfish ass though and he'd rather kill a bunch of mages than go into hiding from the Templars again (He was a mage) and he spent 7 or so years building up a life in Kirkwall he doesn't want it all to be for nothing. Plus he never really cared for the plight of "his people" and just always looked out for himself

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I really wanted to side with the Templars but I was still forced to conclude that wiping out the Circle for the actions of an apostate wasn't not right. Plus Bethany was in the Circle and I couldn't go against her.

[Icy Magebane]

I prefer siding with the Templars because I feel their cause is just. It's too dangerous to allow complete freedom for mages.

[Andronic0s]

I started pro-mage but by the end game I was pro-templar until Meredith blew it by pulling a right of Annulment our of her a** because of the actions of an unrelated third party, so I had to side with the Mages (to me was akin to calling an "Annulment" on the islamic population of New York due to the actions of Al-Qaeda, nonsensical in the extreme)

Modifié par Andronic0s, 06 avril 2011 - 04:39 .

[Major Crackhead]

sided with the mages, and spared Anders so the nug-humper would be forced to live with what he's done. Although similar to some posters above my main motivation for siding with the mages was for Bethany.

Anders was a very naughty boy though, so I kicked him out of the party and respec'ed Bethany to be my healer for the final battle. Anders came during the final battle however, HE SHOULD HAVE DITCHED ME SO ZEVRAN COULD MAKE AN APPEARENCE DAMMIT!

Modifié par EvilCecil4th, 06 avril 2011 - 05:35 .

[Hubrah]

Mages - the chantry has this "alleged" divine right...bull****. Not once have I seen any Divine being rip open the heavens and proclaim the Chantry/Templars have Divine right to police the mages.

The Chantry overextend themselves, they oppose and contradict sovereign rule and will do anything to get their way, and justify there motives as "Divine Rights".

[sylvanaerie]

I've done both but going to go with Templars as my 'canon'.
I've done templars as a mage Hawke and templars as a Warrior with Bethany in the Circle.
There is just as much slaughter of mages going on despite which side you pick but if you side Templars you actually get to force Meredith to spare some of the mages. You get an actual cutscene for it. And Cullen will back you up. From her expression I thought Meredith was going to bust an artery in her temple at that moment!
The dialogue at that point can support Templar side runs better. Orsino instead of turning into a giant blood magic harvester thing and attacking his allies is portrayed more duplicitously and he practically boasts about Quentin's research and his involvement in keeping that psycho hidden on a templar run.
Plus, if you are rogue/warrior with Circle Bethany there are a couple of dramatic lines where she asks if you will kill/fight her too. (In the end you can also get between Meredith and baby sister and tell Knight Commander Nutcase to GTFO).
While the mages are sympathetic, my Hawke chose to side with Templars to limit casualties as much as he can, which he felt would be more possible siding with templars than if he were just another mage supporter trying to defend them.

[Knightly_BW]

Templars.

Right of Annaulment is only solution for Kirkwall Circle. Orsino is an impotent fool who can't get near the Irving or Wynne. Even the most likeable mage from the circle, Alain can use blood magic and that means somethings in that circle is way beyond repair.

Also there is Orsino (Even on my first run I realized your mother's killer supported by him) and being able to save couple of mages things.

[Crocodiles]

Mages if Bethany is in the circle, and Templars if she's a warden

[Rifneno]

Asperius wrote...

Orsino is an impotent fool

...  Err...  How do...  No, I don't want to know how you know this.  *backs away*

[javierdmr1982]

With mages and let anders live because i hate the templars and the chantry.

[Andronic0s]

So you don't get a scene where you kill the mage children when siding with the templars?

magic younglings: "Master Hawke what are we going to do?"

Glowing red eyes Hawke: * unsheathe sword*

[Major Crackhead]

^ oh my god, epic

[Cutlass Jack]

Andronic0s wrote...

So you don't get a scene where you kill the mage children when siding with the templars?

magic younglings: "Master Hawke what are we going to do?"

Glowing red eyes Hawke: * unsheathe sword*

Nope you actually get the reverse where you can show mercy to mages who surrender to you.

As opposed to joining the mages where they all turn into abominations and leap on your sword. As a way of showing their appreciation for joining their side.

[Asdara]

I've fought for the Templars twice - once because it was my first playthrough and Anders made things go boom so it was... ugh, not really what I'd call optional to restore order (I didn't know Meredith was going to go full on psychotic either) and another time because the char I was playing supported the Circle and Chantry very devotedly (also, never helped Anders).

I've fought for the Mages once, because I was a mage and because I was committed to Anders even though it was clear he had lost himself completely by that point.

Both of them had some interesting elements, but I think, overall, that fighting with the Mages has that rebel sense of desperation and doing right against a massive force and fighting with the Templars seems resigned and working for Order, even if that routine is not perfect for everyone.

[Rifneno]

Andronic0s wrote...

So you don't get a scene where you kill the mage children when siding with the templars?

magic younglings: "Master Hawke what are we going to do?"

Glowing red eyes Hawke: * unsheathe sword*

You joke, but it seems like they almost put that into the DAO one.  If you act like you're going to annul the Circle, Wynne goes on about how that involves killing the children she's guarding and what kind of monster would do that.  One time I took that route just to see if you did, but the kids magically (no pun intended) disappear.  Seems like they only cut it out because they didn't want the bad press of "this game lets you murder innocent children."  Not that I blame them, that's pretty messed up.

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Nope you actually get the reverse where you can show mercy to mages who surrender to you.

As opposed to joining the mages where they all turn into abominations and leap on your sword. As a way of showing their appreciation for joining their side.

It's silly, but I'm pretty sure it only works that way because they have to provide you with good gameplay challenges if you pick the mage side and they didn't want you to have to be a merciless monster if you pick the templar side.  In the actual ending speeches the mage one specifically mentions the many survivors while the templar one does not.

[ModernMan2009]

I found the writing for the final act makes it difficult to agree with either of the two choices.One option is that I support the Templars and there despotic Knight-Commander and start a massacre where I systematically hunt down and slaughter people who had no crime other than existing. Or, I side with the Mages and attempt to protect them from the slaughter only to incite a rebellion and and see the majority of its circle used as material in a godless Blood Magic ceremony. The choices leave you with the feeling that you are screwed no matter what happens and I wish I could have used my position as Champion of Kirkwall to just walk away and let the Templars and Mages fight to the death while I become Viscount and pick up the pieces after the storm passes.