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[Curlain]

Lithuasil wrote...

Curlain wrote...
Is that the result of that personality following thing (where it uses the majority of tones clicked to frame Hawke's responses)?  Gah, I hate that stuff, more RP taken away from me and run by the game instead 

It's that personality thing, yes. But doesn't it kind of ADD to the rp, when only a hawke actually violent and crazy has the option to side with the crazy fanatics, as opposed to offering anyone the choice, no matter how out of character it'd be?

Perhaps for some, but why should Hawke need act violent all the time to have a hatred of Qunari (from recent experiences etc, or because that Hawke has come to buy Petrice's arguments).  Just because someone is diplomatic or generally more sarcastic shouldn't make them less ready to agree or not to that situation, indeed such people can be just as ready to fight and kill as the personality who generally acts more aggressively (just take Zevran for example in DA:O).

Also people can act differently in different situations, yet if the personality tracker is actively denying options then it also doesn't take account of this imo

Modifié par Curlain, 05 avril 2011 - 04:54 .

[Eudaemonium]

I can confirm that on my very first playthrough as Angry female Mage!Hawke, during the confrontation in Varnell's Refuge, I got a star option (possibly angry option) in the Lower-Left where Hawke killed one of the Qunari herself, and then I had to fight the Qunari delagates instead of Ser Varnell. I re-loaded after that, because I didn't want to pick that option, so I don't know how it impacts events later.

I don't know whether that was just due to my personality, the fact I was a mage, or any of the random story decisions I'd made, though.

[Alanosborn1991]

Yea the personality thing can be crazy sometimes.

Like how on Wounded Coast where an elf wants to kill a werewolf, the only way to defuse the situation is to be Paragon Maker worshiping Hawke to say to her what would your Mother think of you hunting someone down who had no control of themselves.

[Wulfram]

Lithuasil wrote...

It's that personality thing, yes. But doesn't it kind of ADD to the rp, when only a hawke actually violent and crazy has the option to side with the crazy fanatics, as opposed to offering anyone the choice, no matter how out of character it'd be?

Mother Petrice has a diplomatic personality and sides with the fanatics, so why couldn't a zealously anti-Qunari diplomatic Hawke?
It's annoying that only snarky Hawke is allowed to be a proficient liar, too.

[Lithuasil]

Curlain wrote...
Also people can act differently in different situations, yet if the personality tracker is actively denying options then it also doesn't take account of this imo

It's certainly no perfect system, but it's a giant step up from earlier systems, where you could be mother therese on one step, and skelletor the next. 

Keep in mind, those aren't just people opposed to qunari rule. Those are people that literally planned to blow up a street full of innocents, just for political ammunition. To side with those, you need to be quite the fanatic. Kind of how an average Iraqui citizen will most likely be opposed to the occupation, but it takes a lot more then that for someone to side with the people who blow up the busses.

[Alanosborn1991]

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[Curlain]

Lithuasil wrote...

Curlain wrote...
Also people can act differently in different situations, yet if the personality tracker is actively denying options then it also doesn't take account of this imo

It's certainly no perfect system, but it's a giant step up from earlier systems, where you could be mother therese on one step, and skelletor the next. 

Keep in mind, those aren't just people opposed to qunari rule. Those are people that literally planned to blow up a street full of innocents, just for political ammunition. To side with those, you need to be quite the fanatic. Kind of how an average Iraqui citizen will most likely be opposed to the occupation, but it takes a lot more then that for someone to side with the people who blow up the busses.

True I guess, but I always figured that those situations were up to the individual player, if they wanted to play their PC like that in their own game, well I don't agree with it, but that how the players wants to play it.

I guess I just prefer having the control over the character to RP them constantly as I saw fit rather then the game

[Lithuasil]

Curlain wrote...
True I guess, but I always figured that those situations were up to the individual player, if they wanted to play their PC like that in their own game, well I don't agree with it, but that how the players wants to play it.

I guess I just prefer having the control over the character to RP them constantly as I saw fit rather then the game

But you can still do that - you're just required to be consistent about it now. If I DM a campaign, I wouldn't let a Character do something completely out of character either. The game lacks the ability to slap the player, so it forces you to be consistent, without calling you out on it.

[Curlain]

Lithuasil wrote...

Curlain wrote...
True I guess, but I always figured that those situations were up to the individual player, if they wanted to play their PC like that in their own game, well I don't agree with it, but that how the players wants to play it.

I guess I just prefer having the control over the character to RP them constantly as I saw fit rather then the game

But you can still do that - you're just required to be consistent about it now. If I DM a campaign, I wouldn't let a Character do something completely out of character either. The game lacks the ability to slap the player, so it forces you to be consistent, without calling you out on it.

Hmm, maybe I need to give to more of a chance then, perhaps it will grow on me 

[Mnemnosyne]

That's interesting. I tried to side with Varnell in that scene but I'd been playing a different personality so I never got the option. It would be nice if you could have different options depending on your choices for a particular quest line, not just your personality. There's no reason why witty or even diplomatic Hawke can't be strongly anti-Qunari. They could have just based that one off of previous responses in the same quest line. As in, if you were consistently opposed to the Qunari you'd get the option to do that regardless of personality.

Aggressive Hawke is the only one I have yet to play fully, going to have to do that next and see how it turns out after siding with Varnell in that scene.

[Jsixgun]

I sided w/ Mother Petrice killed the qunari myself and she ended being really friendly. She also talked to me about The chantry needing a schism...an "internal war." Something tells me if you side with her you will see her again in coming games. I bet she takes the destruction of the kirkwall chantry and uses it as ammo for her schism.

[Beerfish]

jakecollette wrote...

I sided w/ Mother Petrice killed the qunari myself and she ended being really friendly. She also talked to me about The chantry needing a schism...an "internal war." Something tells me if you side with her you will see her again in coming games. I bet she takes the destruction of the kirkwall chantry and uses it as ammo for her schism.

Yes, after that talk I thought we would be meeting up again before the final conflict.  I think she took the arrows in too many play throughs for her to be in future games though.

[Vormaerin]

Yes, the personality system does mean you can't make every decision on every playthrough. So does the import scheme, since different quests are available with different background selections.

The dialogue wheel not spelling out every last thing you might possibly say and having different options with different versions of Hawke enhances replayability. You'll have new dialogues and different quests available when you change your personality and background.

[Halo Quea]

Patrice wants martyrs, not allies. What Anders did would have caused her to orgasm if she had been alive to see it.

Modifié par Halo Quea, 05 avril 2011 - 08:00 .

[Eternal Phoenix]

Righteous!

[Cismontane]

There's also cynical reasons why a diplo Hawke might want to side with Varnell without actually agreeing with him. She might feel that she needs to protect the chantry from embarrassment at all costs, she might feel that she needs to make that the qunari prisoners die so that she cam help the viscount keep the peace (if they survived and went back the arishok with tales of their torture, it might mean immediate war), or she might have seen the large number of fanatics with swords and bows and figure that playing along is preferably to dying.

[HighMoon]

Petrice for romance option in DA3!

[stobie]

No, no! She is *not* allowed to spawn!