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[ehye_khandee]

Recently in the wake of your rash of hacker attacks, you organized to try to prevent further griefings and crashings on your servers, by that group of miscreants who obviously have too much time on their hands (merselpath & crew).

Your administrator has demonstrated a perversity, a double standard, and a penchant for arbitrary insults.

Your administrator dropped me from your discussion board. Since then I have given the admin a day to retract and apologize for the action but have not received reply. This then is the text of my last message sent to the admin by means of the forum for TalesOfTheSilverMarches.


...quote author=TSM Junkie (Moulinous)
I went ahead and removed you from the Admins group snce you stated you have not been having any problems with them. I wish you well.
end quote

Having been insulted by your rude actions and such not being retracted in a reasonable period of time, I can only agree with my (MASTERS DEGREE) lead scripter when she says "despite the best advice of those who know what they are talking about, other people insist on doing the most massively stupid things." By all means, please do revel in your stupid. Your arbitrary and double standards are disservice to your forum and all the admins who have joined.

Please do carry on.

Please do DELETE MY ACCOUNT - I wish to receive NOTHING from your forum again. You have done yourself and your group a great disservice. I'll resolve just to smile when I see your servers down (as they are several times a day generally).

IF I RECEIVE ANY FURTHER MESSAGES FROM YOUR FORUM I WILL REPORT THEM AS SPAM.

GM_ODA


I must presume jealousy here regarding your instable servers. It looks good on nobody.

The double standard is in your admitting members who have no server at all, and therefore, like me 'have no trouble with hackers' at this time. Likewise being arbitrary looks good on nobody.

I wish you all the luck in the world with your hacker, lag, and crash issues. As noted, I have none.

Be well. Game on.
GM_ODA
Admin of that rarest of beasts, a stable server 66.232.100.90 cep2.1 or better required.

[MrZork]

Uh... Why is this rant (apparently about some issue on some PW servers?) posted in NWN1 General?

[SHOVA]

there is a group of PW admins working to put together a set of scripts to help keep griefers out of PWs. The problem is all of that group uses windows as their OS. ehye_khandee stated that linux is the choice to make this happen. While this may be true, the PW admins are unwilling to switch the OS of thier systems. Since ehye_khandee only offers Linux is the best type comments, he was removed from the group. I was not the one who made the decision, or the one who removed him. I wish him well, and hope that his PW remains ungriefed.

[Jenna WSI]

This is a personal flame, and it just makes you look worse to post it here, Eye. And tbh, posts like this make it even more clear why someone would choose to dis-include you in the first place. If you have a problem, take it up with the server owners - not the community as a whole. This coming from a Linux user who had nothing to do with the situation, as an aside.

Modifié par Jenna WSI, 05 avril 2011 - 08:10 .

[Aleron]

No clue why it was posted here either.

Have to agree with Jen. It really doesn't look good for you or the server you are representing. It is a personal grief and flame post and really does nothing for anyone.

[NWN DM]

Maybe sue someone for being removed from a private discussion forum?

Pretty counter productive... I'll agree with the others who have posted.

Modifié par NWN DM, 05 avril 2011 - 11:46 .

[ffbj]

Sort of off point but I have done a couple of scripts regarding, aimed at griefers.
Those would be naming all traps to the trapper, so you can track randomly layed traps.
A detrapper npc who will remove traps from high traffic areas.
A script that punishes PC killers who kill other PC's who are x, 3 lvls lower in mine, than the PC that killed them.
A general server shout stating that so and so PC has killed so and so PC, and the area where this occured.
A jail mechanism with a bail-out option. (Persistent over server resets).
And finally a contract hit option where a DM or perhaps a PC, (player/dm) can put out a contract on another PC.
This will result in an attempted assasination of said PC, also persistent over resets, with one attempted assassination. This final option may appear to be a method to grief other players but could be tailored as a mechanism for others than DM's to hold as a threat over certain players who have been flagged as griefers. The point of this is that the player with the contract on them will not know for sure who put the hit out on them, and there is an option for the contracted player to remove any contract on them for a fee.
So those are some things you might be interested in.
Good luck with the efforts. 

Modifié par ffbj, 06 avril 2011 - 12:09 .

[WebShaman]

As ffbj has so eloquently posted, one can find just about all the anti-griefer scripts one needs on the Vault and among most Server Admin types of forums. All of my PWs had such (the last one having a lot of custom stuff, really good!). All on Windows.

As for Ehye...wow. Just plain wow. Staff should NEVER have flames in the open - this sort of thing should happen behind closed doors (assuming it should happen in the first place - which it shouldn't). Going on an open forum like this, and doing personal flames against a Staff of a PW is the worst sort of etiquette that I know of. And since your behavior before in the old forums plus this rant does add support for the type of handling you seem to have received, I see absolutely no reason for the Staff in question not to give you the ban hammer.

Pride comes before the fall.  See my sig below.

Modifié par WebShaman, 06 avril 2011 - 12:45 .

[ehye_khandee]

"The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as
the sole cause of all our adversities.

- Sophocles"

Is UTTERLY UN TRUE. Ask anyone with cancer and you will know the truth there too. Such aphorisms are the crutch of those who cannot think clearly on their own. This particular one is a lovely method to allow the one uttering it to divorce themselves in their own mind from any issues others may have. Weak, I say, very very weak. The only 'close to true' 'truism' I have ever encountered is this:

All generalisations are wrong.

Fact is, if the admin of that forum were serious and honest about managing it, he/she could have tolerated an opinion that advocated a different OS than that admin uses themselves. The brevity of their message on kicking me, their ignoring my replies in private, both show the lack of good administration. 

I was asked to join that forum and share my lore. I did so freely. Before I became disabled, I charged over 100 dollars an hour for the benefit of my lore and my customers always asked me back when they needed more. I shoot straight and I don't mince words. If that group was so bent in that direction, you'd think they'd have posted 'no linux advocates allowed' - but they did not. I was booted for NO INFRACTION OF ANY POSTED RULE, but on the arbitrary whim of the admin. Frankly, as a player, I would not want to waste my time on a server like that as the same could happen to a player as happened to an invited poster.

It is a sad thing to ask advice, but only if the advice agrees with your preformed opinion.

Be well. Game on.
GM_ODA

Modifié par ehye_khandee, 06 avril 2011 - 01:18 .

[SuperFly_2000]

I don't see a problem with Ehye venting his oppinions in this forum or any other forum.

Personally I was always sceptical about many bannings from PW servers and their communites. I have seen many examples where admins where just being asholes.

I am not saying this is the case with the servers involved here (as I don't know who they are anyway) but I think any colaboration of PW's in this sort of field is potentially bad.

However...as an NWN player theese days I am pretty free to choose whichever I want and I usually choose ones that have a playstyle that fits me...even though it can be hard to find the right one occasionally....

Don't want to go into this here really but many RP servers have gone in an for me undesired direction....

Modifié par SuperFly_2000, 06 avril 2011 - 01:29 .

[TSMDude]

@Superfly; This is not just one or two PWs. This is in fact 25 PWs and thier Admins and Scriptng counterparts as well as several NWNX people.

The people we are talking about are folks who purposely log in to crash servers. Not just grief anymore.

Amia: 150
Arelith: 140
FRC: 120
Arabel: 80
Ravenloft: 75
Harry Potter: 50
Thain: 35
EfU: 30
Silver Marches: 30
Cormanthor: 30
Cormyr & Dalelands: 25
Narfell: 25
Anphillia: 25
The Way Inn: 20
Thay: 15

Other RP/PW servers (including Zombie Survivals): 75

That above is a brag list of players who were having a good time ruined by them or the server itself crashed. And you think that this is okay? Strange "community" spirit, Superfly.

Now on to Ehye-
I was contacted by no less than 5 PW Admins who had grown tired of you doing as you do here a constant barage of how great and wonderful your server is with a player count in the high 5s at most times. I know you are very proud of your server and  have looked a few times and some of it is very nice. I am not debating that. I am proud of what we have done. I am sure the worse server up has someone somewhere proud of what they have done.

Crowing about it is one thing but stating several times that THIS IS LAW and that EVERYONE must do it your way is very counterproductive to just about everything. It reminds me of the US Congress who forgets often that the basis of a collation is not one man one law but many people talking and forming into a working group.

You stated several times that you do not have a problem with the griefers and offered really no scripting or advice on how to deal with it except rewiring everyones server to a different system. After a bit I sent you a polite message informing you that we have gone ahead and removed you from the group.

I did not say Hey, 5 other PW Admins want you to leave.
I did not say hey, you are being an arse just tone it down.
I did not post it to a public forum to slam you.

I merely sent you a PRIVATE message and one day later recevied the message you posted plus another stating the fact that I and I quote here 'spring them on us like some rash ****-slap.'

I am sorry you feel offended Ehye. I am hoping the discussion about cancer you made was not a dig at me since you know that I am Stage Four and terminal...if so a bit of a low blow but like in all things I will be the duck and let it be the water.

Hope you all have a better day, folks.

[ehye_khandee]

If my posts on that forum were SO offensive, please post them here. Show the people how awful I was if you think I was awful. All I ever said was this is stable, this works. YOU invited me there to discuss the issues, and I did. YOU and your 'five admins' are overly sensitive and took offence? At what? Where did I _ever_ state as you assert "THIS IS LAW"? Frankly, this is false, and I defy you to find that quote. Further tarnishing my reputation because these other servers are instable and operated by persons of extraordinary thin skin shows the true colors here all around.

Yes, out of the box, linux is more stable and secure than windows. This is my point. You don't have to like it, but you'd be hard pressed to refute it with factual accounts.

As they say in Texas "You can lead a horse to water, but you gotta work d*mn hard to drown it." Sometimes, it is not worth the work. This is one of those cases.

Facts are facts, you invited me. You gave me no clue no warning. You banned me. Juvenile behavior at best. Poor server admin in action there.

I stand by my every word.

What, you want me to write your security scripts for you now? My rates are outlined above, and only double for you.

Be well. Game on.
GM_ODA

[SHOVA]

I suggest that everyone who thinks this is childish, quit answering the posts here. That being said, you may be able to lead a horse to water, but you can't make the cowboy stop kicking it if its his nature.

[ehye_khandee]

LOL - now you'll associate me with abuse of animals (in even a figurative way). FEH. What, if anyting, in my posts you people found so wounding I cannot guess.

While I will admit, in that forum I often felt as if I were dealing with animal intellect at best, lemmings are as lemmings do. *points direction to nearest cliff and waves*

Modifié par ehye_khandee, 06 avril 2011 - 04:04 .

[Jenna WSI]

Another case of the everyone ELSE is wrong bubble. Thier so hard to pop! 

[kalbaern]

ehye_khandee wrote...

LOL - now you'll associate me with abuse of animals (in even a figurative way). FEH. What, if anyting, in my posts you people found so wounding I cannot guess.

While I will admit, in that forum I often felt as if I were dealing with animal intellect at best, lemmings are as lemmings do. *points direction to nearest cliff and waves*

Well, since you've now painted any that disagree or do things differently with such a wide brushful of disdain, my initial regret at your removal there is cured.

Thank You, for that at least.

[SHOVA]

I mearly gave another Texas saying, nothing more. If you feel it was dirrected at you, then perhaps some counciling might be considered.

[NWN DM]

SHOVA wrote...

...perhaps some counciling might be considered.

Was kind of thinking the same thing myself.

If a hobby, which is supposed to be enjoyable, starts causing this much stress, aggrvation, vitriol and (IMO) over the top histrionics and hatred, a re-evaluation of whether said hobby is really worth it may be in order.

IMO obviously.

This whole thread would seem to be somewhat counter productive... but thank you for an entertaining morning.

Modifié par NWN DM, 06 avril 2011 - 07:48 .

[TSMDude]

NWN DM wrote...
thank you for an entertaining morning.

Thank you...will be here all week! Try the veal! Do not forget to tip your serving lass on the way out!

[SHOVA]

any pie left? I miss pie season..

[WebShaman]

I I love pie! Can I have a slice, purdy please? (note obscure reference to texas).

About my sig - all I can say is, break out Sophocles and get reading. Once one understands what he is saying, then it will make sense. He is definitely not talking about natural calamities here. I consider what you are doing, Ehye, and what Jenna has referenced is exactly what Sophocles meant...

[SHOVA]

obscure East Texas reference noted. Pie all around, unless of course you want cobbler.

[WebShaman]

Well shiver me timbers!

Wait...that is pirate-ese, right? Drats!

Cobbler will do just fine, in a pinch!

[ehye_khandee]

ATM - there are at least three NICE people I am assisting with code advice and assistance. I do that for NICE persons who frame their requests as an earnest in inquiry. This group of closed-minded admins never did so.

I think I will never know the real reason with certainty as to why the immature admin kicked me - but it would seem that I missed the post that said their whole forum was a popularity contest and any who had ideas other than 'windows is the best and secure too' camp would loose.

They propose that, because I did not drop all my other affairs and devote my time to writing scripts for their use to secure their Windows servers that they are somehow justified in kicking me out of their 'security' discussions. Other rude persons opt to carp at my posts, in this thread and others, then suggest that _I_ need therapy.

Here is my best advice ONE more time, if you read it or have someone read it to you as the case may be, you'll see I'm only honest and consistent here. Windows is flawed hugely, it is a mass of back doors and poorly wrought subsystems that amount to a liability where security is concerned. Windows is SLOW, it handles resources poorly often leading to the BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH. Windows users often believe rebooting a system is 'system administration' what it is is throwing in the towel. FYI my linux server has not been rebooted in about six months (the last time hardware was modified). There are thousands of tools for script kiddies that target windows because it is so flawed.

Upon rendering such advice, I get treated like some kind of leper. Hardly mature for a server admin. Further lack of reasonable behavior is evidenced by their justifying their attacks upon another's views - by suggesting they need therapy. You Admins need a new attitude, a new operating system and a healthy dose of good manners. I have to wonder if you treat your players and DMs this poorly. I certainly would NOT want to participate in such servers as these attacks you mete out upon those who have views different than yours are rather disturbing.

So, as I did not drop all my other pressing tasks and devote my time to writing security scripts for you, you justify this poor behaviour. Or is it you justify it by your 'five admins did not like you' reason? Or is it something else? Who knows, I certainly do not care.

You will note, I have not posted any information regarding your plans or private discussions - had I been vindictive I most certainly could do so, but my point here was to let the admins not in that group of five know why I was suddenly squelched.

In my posts, I clearly delinieate what is a colloquialism or figure of speech and what is factual and what is opinion and experience. Something many of you do not bother with, opting instead to make wild and unqualified statements - often in the form of rude personal attacks.

Fine by me, show the world what a bunch of rabble you can be - I'm going back to my stable server, where we even have the WISH spell coded, to add more fine and stable details to it, and watch as you umpteen jokers continue to ignore good advice in favor of your own demonstrably flawed methods (you've been successfully attacked - I see lots of 'double digits' in the griefers' scoreboard for you and THAT speaks volumes of the success you've had and will continue to have owing to your inability to accept that windows has any flaws. Much like yourselves.

I'm quite done here, you all are obviously going to continue acting bunch of carping whelps - do as you please, you have chosen your path while I choose that of stable security. Go have your carpy fun children. *waves*

[SHOVA]

uhuh... somehow pie still sounds better.