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[Addai]

naughty99 wrote...

Yes Joffrey certainly looked very creepy, which was a slight plus in a way for me because I like some mystery and creepiness in my HBO series.

In the novels however, he is supposed to be very handsome in a way that made Sansa blind to his defects of character. He didn't appear onscreen very long, but he certainly didn't look handsome, which made for an awkward reaction when Sansa praised his good looks.

Sansa's kind of dippy, so I don't think Joffrey had to look good for her to fall in love with him.  She's in love with the idea of him as a prince and herself as queen.

[TJPags]

Addai67 wrote...

TJPags wrote...

That's what I've heard. And on my last read of Game of Thrones, I broke it up into episodes, and wound up with 11. So it's doable (I believe there are to be 10 episodes this season).

So, assuming it gets picked up, we have 5 seasons coming to us (assuming Dance with Dragons is actually published sometime in the next 3 years). Seven if he actually completes the series.

I actually read today that GRRM is hoping they will make book 3 into 2 seasons and possibly book 4 as well.  He was saying that if they do that he can catch up with them and get all 7 books out.  Well... that's a lot of if's.

Why does this not surprise me?

Now, I understand about perhaps breaking the books up over additional seasons - some of them are quite long.  That, or more episodes per season.

But - last I had heard, Dance with Dragons (Book 5) was "almost done" and had a July (?) publication date.  Assuming that's correct, and if each book is 1 season, he has 4 years before Book 5's season is over.  So that's 4 years to write Book 6, and an additional year to write book 7.  So, 5 years for 2 books.

For most professional authors, that's not a big deal.  For him, it's panic time.

It was my major concern and major hope when I heard about the HBO series - concern that he wouldn't get the books done in time for additional seasons, and hope that with HBO pushing him (since it seems his publisher doesn't care) he might have incentive to finish.

Seems nothing ever changes in GRRM-land.

Edit - I fully and completely understand that GRRM is not my b!tch. 

Modifié par TJPags, 19 avril 2011 - 03:36 .

[Addai]

GRRM should take all the time he needs. I'd rather see the TV series die than the books be rushed. But, just because he took this long for the 5th doesn't mean anything. I read where he said that he's been working a lot on timeline. If he's got that figured out, it's just a matter of getting on paper what he's already blocked out.

Re incest: It's a theme, but it's never presented just for titillation (I love that word) and the consequences are clearly to be seen, both social for Jaime and Cersei, and physical for the Targaryens who basically went crackers from inbreeding. If people can't handle it being presented at all, I guess they'll have to move on.

[LTD]

All things considered, I'm extremely surprised if Game of Thrones ever sees more than 2 or 3 seasons.
HBO has a bad habit of axing their A material all too quickly. Rome and specially Deadwood got killed way before it was their time to go. Suppose it is very difficult to keep an expensive series profitable, no matter how well critics and audience love it.

I wonder just how badly the inability to do any proper product placement hurts a series like GoT. In Sci-fi or fantasy you can't have Ed Stark beheading people with Apple's iSword and having some wench bring him a Subway sammich later on.  This alone must make it extremely difficult to keep a series profitable.  Been watching dangerous amounts of Sopranos lately and Holy ****.  The sheer amount of product placing going on is just..baffling. Coca-Cola© Everywhere. All the time. Seriously, there aren't many  scenes where somebody isn't enjoying a refreshing, satisfying drink of that delicious cold nectar of gods! Perfectly positioned can of Coca-Cola© has more screen time than that Milf shrink. Seriously. Drink Coca-Cola© It is good for you. Buying such over the top quantities of exposure from a series like Sopranos must have an..astronomical price tag.

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Modifié par LTD, 19 avril 2011 - 06:10 .

[Shirosaki17]

The season 3 finale for Deadwood was awful though. All that build up for nothing to happen.

[LTD]

Shirosaki17 wrote...

The season 3 finale for Deadwood was awful though. All that build up for nothing to happen.

Well yas. In middle of filming 3rd season they learned series will either get axe entirely or, in best case scenario which never happened, end in form of few straight- to- dvd movies.This lead to a situation where nobody had any clue  about whatkind of a season finale they should cake up.  Thusly, one of the best things ever to enter in anyone's tv ended in teribad clusterfuk:l Later on, more or less same happened with Rome. From the get go, the story arch was planned with 3 seasons in mind. HBO doesn't treat their A-material with silk gloves.

Regarding the GoT pilot,
My god the casting is amazing here. More or less everybody except Jon Snow looks and feels right. Well, Tyrion should be uglier. Based on pilot the actor  does so amazing job in capturing the Imp that maybe it is possible to forgive his lack of uglyness:l

Modifié par LTD, 19 avril 2011 - 05:53 .

[horacethegrey]

LTD wrote...
My god the casting is amazing here. More or less everybody except Jon Snow looks and feels right. Well, Tyrion should be uglier. Based on pilot the actor  does so amazing job in capturing the Imp that maybe it is possible to forgive his lack of uglyness:l

 I really don't get why people think Tyrion should be ugly as sin. Reading the books, I never got the impression that Tyrion was ugly. Aside from his mismatched eyes, I always thought that people in the book thought him hideous was the fact that he was a dwarf. 

[Dreadstruck]

I think it's mostly Tyrion himself thinking he's butt-ugly and that everyone is secretly laughing at him when he walks.

[Catspaw]

horacethegrey wrote...

LTD wrote...
My god the casting is amazing here. More or less everybody except Jon Snow looks and feels right. Well, Tyrion should be uglier. Based on pilot the actor  does so amazing job in capturing the Imp that maybe it is possible to forgive his lack of uglyness:l

 I really don't get why people think Tyrion should be ugly as sin. Reading the books, I never got the impression that Tyrion was ugly. Aside from his mismatched eyes, I always thought that people in the book thought him hideous was the fact that he was a dwarf. 

Funnily enough, I liked Kitt Harrington as Jon Snow. I was more bothered by the actor playing Robb. I'll wait for future episodes, though, to see if he can get the character before I decide.  It was always my opinion that Tyrion, himself, thought he was ugly. The only family member who ever treated him with kindness was Jaime, so I think that his family's treatment towards him affected his self-opinion. I don't think mirrors are particularly plentiful in Westeros, so I always thought the description of Tyrion as ugly was more in how he saw himself. Peter Dinklage was spot on in his characterization.

All in all, I thought HBO did a good job portraying the feel of the world. The bleakness and cruelty of the society and area were definitely set. I can only hope it keeps going.

[Druss99]

I don't think anyones mentioned it but the beheading was done quite well. Normally its just a chop and some blood spray then a sound like someone dropping a cabbage. But there was something about the way it was done that was both grotesque and satisfying in a morbid kind of way.

[HoonDing]

I forget, is it ever explained in the books how people/animals/plants actually survive decades-long winters? Wouldn't everything simply die, or do people have massive amounts of food stocked somewhere?

[horacethegrey]

Catspaw wrote...
It was always my opinion that Tyrion, himself, thought he was ugly. The only family member who ever treated him with kindness was Jaime, so I think that his family's treatment towards him affected his self-opinion. I don't think mirrors are particularly plentiful in Westeros, so I always thought the description of Tyrion as ugly was more in how he saw himself. Peter Dinklage was spot on in his characterization.

Heh. When your father is Tywin Lannister, it's easy to lose any self ersteem. I'm looking forward to how Charles Dance plays him and his byplay with Dinklage.

Catspaw wrote...
All in all, I thought HBO did a good job portraying the feel of the world. The bleakness and cruelty of the society and area were definitely set. I can only hope it keeps going.

And just imagine people's (i.e. those who have not read the books)  reaction when things become even more bleak and cruel! I can see some people smashing their TV's when the Red Wedding is shown in all it's glory! 

Modifié par horacethegrey, 19 avril 2011 - 01:09 .

[SarEnyaDor]

*facepalm* That will be horrible... I am interested in seeing how/if they show Vis getting what he so justly deserves.

[twincast]

I'll just repost what I wrote on WiC:

Prologue: Already praised and complained about it.
Title sequence: The sigil hiccup (three or four are wrong) is facepalm-inducing, but easily (and hopefully quickly) fixed. The Painted Table doesn’t have clockwork, does it? Otherwise this would be an amazing rendition. Love the moving map either way. The rings (other than their cool bas reliefs) did feel kind of out of place, though.
Awfully missed scene: Bran/Tommen sparring and its reactions, but Joffrey’s gonna be established as a capital arse soon enough in episode 2, so losing it isn’t that bad.
Wedding Feast: While probably both realistic and close to AGoT, the specific renditions of booty-dancing and feral mounting did feel pretty silly until the start of the fight. The mixed ethnicities were kind of jarring, but actually not unrealistic.
Wedding Night: Not including Dany’s yes to Drogo’s no is a major mistake, IMO.
The Things I Do for Love: Perfect. (After thinking about it, the height/ground may not be the best details to not having paid enough attention to, but otherwise:) Plain perfect!
And the rest of the episode and all the acting was just allaround amazing! Wubbit.

And one more thing:
A big yay to shamelessly fanservicey beefcake scene! XD Yummy guys indeed.

Anyway, regarding computer games:
French studio Cyanide is working on an RTS (Genesis) and an RPG (untitled) - with heavy imput from GRRM and the webmasters of Westeros.org.
The RTS is set during the history of Westeros - information is scarce, but I think it has a campaign mode following Nymeria's Immigration, Aegon's Conquest and Robert's Rebellion, a Total War-esque sandbox mode in which you can play any of the major houses and a multiplayer mode. (The thing that confuses me most is that it sounds like you play on regional maps despite using grand strategy mechanics best suited for a map of all of Westeros south of the Wall.)
The RPG is set during the first book (AGoT) with you switching between the POV of a warg Brother of the Night's Watch (sounds mediocre and hard to fit into the established plot) and the POV of a recently returned long gone heir of a lesser noble family who has become a Red Priest of R'hllor in the meantime (sounds both amazing and easy to fit in).

Modifié par twincast, 19 avril 2011 - 01:44 .

[Addai]

Catspaw wrote...

horacethegrey wrote...

LTD wrote...
My god the casting is amazing here. More or less everybody except Jon Snow looks and feels right. Well, Tyrion should be uglier. Based on pilot the actor  does so amazing job in capturing the Imp that maybe it is possible to forgive his lack of uglyness:l

 I really don't get why people think Tyrion should be ugly as sin. Reading the books, I never got the impression that Tyrion was ugly. Aside from his mismatched eyes, I always thought that people in the book thought him hideous was the fact that he was a dwarf. 

Funnily enough, I liked Kitt Harrington as Jon Snow. I was more bothered by the actor playing Robb. I'll wait for future episodes, though, to see if he can get the character before I decide. 

I thought all the kids were spot on.  Someone upthread was complaining about them not having Tully red hair, but they really do- I checked the book and it describes it as "brown-red hair".   I also don't know why people don't see Kit Harington as fitting Jon's part.  He matches exactly to how I had pictured Jon, right down to the soulful eyes.  He is described as slender and dark, so maybe his skin tone would be darker.  Robb is described as being of stockier build than Jon, so it all fits pretty well as far as I can see.

[Addai]

HBO just announced renewal for a 2nd season. So far so good. The initial ratings were good but not out of the park.

[Cancermeat]

I guess im willing to give it a chance even though i wasnt blown away by the pilot. I just hope hbo doesnt pull a deadwood on it.

[Catspaw]

There's artwork showing Jon???? How did I miss that?!?!? I had always just imagined from the book descriptions and personal preferences.

Almost done with 2nd book (again) up to Catelyn's little tait-a-tait with Jaime. Jon's just met some wildings and Theon's having some very bad dreams.....

Love this story!

[twincast]

There's calendars, there's two pen & paper RPG's (one d20, one not) and there's the stuff by Fantasy Flight Games (a card game, a Risk-esque board game and a BattleLore spin-off - all with cards and boxes that feature artwork) and there's two art books that AFAIK mostly collect the FFG stuff with a couple of new (previously unreleased) images each.

Oh, and it's tête-à-tête (head-to-head).

[22nd MadJack]

Unless Martin is struck by lightning or killed in some freak yachting accident, I severely doubt he will die before he finishes the series. He has a goal to live for, which is a remarkable deterrent of natural death. Most likely when he completes Book Seven, he will breathe a sigh of relief and then abruptly expire.

[naughty99]

I think he left instructions that all his notes and drafts be burned in the event of his premature death.

[22nd MadJack]

naughty99 wrote...

I think he left instructions that all his notes and drafts be burned in the event of his premature death.

Further evidence that George R R Martin is a massive troll.