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[Addai]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

No, i'm sorry, but the fact that you could pick up an underlying resentment from a couple short, vague scenes is really something only one who has read the books can do. You know who he is, and will be far more sensitive to scenes where he may act vaguely (Extremely vaguely) like his later self. For someone who hasn't read the books, Theon's character portrayal was done terribly. Nothing in the first season could lead one to believe that he resents the Starks; except if you've read the books of course.

I think you're misunderstanding.  Those of us who have read the books saw this because we know what happens down the line.  While I was reading, I was totally shocked by Theon's betrayal, too.  I think the TV show gave you more clue because you actually see him in Pyke burning his letter to Robb.  What did you think he was going to do at that point?

[chunkyman]

Addai67 wrote...

Keep in mind that no matter who they actually are, those are two real dead children's bodies.

Yeah but they're peasant children, no one cares about them. 

[Brockololly]

Heh...one little touch I really liked was how Roose just lingered there with Robb for a while.

[ObserverStatus]

Addai67 wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...
See? I knew it!  Theon really does still love them.  He's cold on the exterior, but deep down ya'know he's a good man. his name is Theon Greyjoy.

  Keep in mind that no matter who they actually are, those are two real dead children's bodies.

I'm sure they died of natural causes.  In the dark ages most kids didn't make it to 10 years old.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Just finished watching the episode. The bodies are obvious fakes. As in not Starks.

I thought there was too much sexual tension with Snow and the Wildling it was getting boring and repetitive.

But I have to say that this is the first time I sympathized with Cersei. Finally her potential as a character is starting to be revealed, imo.
Tywin was awesome as usual and though this whole Arya being his cup bearer never happened in the books, I'm glad they did it in the show.

[ObserverStatus]

Kinda funny how much trouble Theon Greyjoy and Jon Snow have been getting in for thinking with their dicks lately. If this pattern keeps repeating, Robb Stark had best stay away from that doctor lady.

[LPPrince]

Gotta respect Tywin, whether you love him or hate him.

[Brockololly]

bobobo878 wrote...
If this pattern keeps repeating, Robb Stark had best stay away from that doctor lady.

Understatement of all time.

[LPPrince]

Brockololly wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...
If this pattern keeps repeating, Robb Stark had best stay away from that doctor lady.

Understatement of all time.

Hahahahaha

[Aerevane]

bobobo878 wrote...

Kinda funny how much trouble Theon Greyjoy and Jon Snow have been getting in for thinking with their dicks lately. If this pattern keeps repeating, Robb Stark had best stay away from that doctor lady.

Well... didn't Cat warn him about the promise she made to that dirty 'ol Lord at the castle about him marrying one of his daughters? It's already explicitly set up as a big warning sign flashing: do not penetrate!

[TheBlackBaron]

Aerevane wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Kinda funny how much trouble Theon Greyjoy and Jon Snow have been getting in for thinking with their dicks lately. If this pattern keeps repeating, Robb Stark had best stay away from that doctor lady.

Well... didn't Cat warn him about the promise she made to that dirty 'ol Lord at the castle about him marrying one of his daughters? It's already explicitly set up as a big warning sign flashing: do not penetrate!

Although that smile she gave him right after delivering a massive ****block (in the last episode) was great. 

[Aeowyn]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Just finished watching the episode. The bodies are obvious fakes. As in not Starks.

I thought there was too much sexual tension with Snow and the Wildling it was getting boring and repetitive.

But I have to say that this is the first time I sympathized with Cersei. Finally her potential as a character is starting to be revealed, imo.
Tywin was awesome as usual and though this whole Arya being his cup bearer never happened in the books, I'm glad they did it in the show.

I'm pretty sure that it did happen in the books, except that there was more of a buildup. Arya started at the bottom and worked her way up.

And in the books those kids did not die from natural causes.

[Costin_Razvan]

Arya did end up as Bolton's cup bearer, not Tywin.

[Brockololly]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Arya did end up as Bolton's cup bearer, not Tywin.

I'm not sure where they're going with Arya on the show but I'll be a bit disappointed if we don't get to see the Leech Lord in action, so to speak. Thats one of the great thing about so many of the characters in A Song of Ice and Fire, they all have their little idiosyncracies, whether via character traits or physically or nicknames that make even the minor characters memorable.

[Costin_Razvan]

I think they've already decided not to include that. Dissapointing.

And seriously, what the **** was with that King of Qarth BS.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 14 mai 2012 - 10:43 .

[Tirigon]

bobobo878 wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...
So they don't die in Clash of Kings? I'm getting conflicting info here...

[spoilers]
You're lead to believe they're dead but you eventually find out they're alive. Brock was just trying to keep the mystery alive for you.
[/spoilers]

See? I knew it!  Theon really does still love them.  He's cold on the exterior, but deep down ya'know he's a good man. his name is Theon Greyjoy.

Theon WANTED to kill them. He just took someone else when he failed to find them, because it would shame him to admit his failure, and he wanted a message.

[addiction21]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I think they've already decided not to include that. Dissapointing.

And seriously, what the **** was with that King of Qarth BS.

THe storylines for the show are not going to follow the books. I am not saying  that will never showed up but there is a reworking of the books to fit the show.

[RedArmyShogun]

addiction21 wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I think they've already decided not to include that. Dissapointing.

And seriously, what the **** was with that King of Qarth BS.

THe storylines for the show are not going to follow the books. I am not saying  that will never showed up but there is a reworking of the books to fit the show.

In other words. Several minor characters won't be in. Some keyplots reworked.

All in all though I think the basics of the books will be left. As in key happenings. While say some of the issues such as the King of Qarth deal. But major things such as Ned being and staying dead, and some other events surrounding Joff and the starks I suspect will happen more or less just like in the books.

[addiction21]

[quote]Confess-A-Bear wrote...

THe storylines for the show are not going to follow the books. I am not saying  that will never showed up but there is a reworking of the books to fit the show.

[/quote]


In other words. Several minor characters won't be in. Some keyplots reworked.

.[/quote]

Well yes. Some will disappear and others might appear sooner or later then they did in the novels. Some ploits put forth by the minor characters will be rolled into the major characters.

It is something to be expected from a transition from novel to live action or whatever the proper term is.

I am all for thirty episode one hour each season to cover everything. Like with the LoTR movies they each could of been 3 hours longer and I would still want more. But there is always that break and I think they have done very well.

Oh, and I know its not coming this season but I looked forward to the Arya and The Hound.

[RedArmyShogun]

Like wise on the Arya issue. I know what you mean however o nthe rest

As long as nothing major happens like say the Red wedding not happening some people who are needed in the book dying before hand. Or like Ned coming to life, then I'm fine with little canon slips.

Its major stuff being changed that would bother me.

[LPPrince]

Favorite parts of the last episode-

Tyrion and Cersei along with Tywin and Arya.

Especially Tywin and Arya's part. God I loved that.

[TJPags]

Addai67 wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Have you read Clash of Kings?

This is a non-spoiler thread.  Always assume people haven't read the books.

Yes, this.  I think we've gotten away from the fact that this was intended as a non-spoiler thread, for the show only.  There is a separate book thread here: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/13/index/7744823 .  I think it would be best if those of us who have read the books try to keep from discussing specific book information.

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

No, i'm sorry, but the fact that you could pick up an underlying resentment from a couple short, vague scenes is really something only one who has read the books can do. You know who he is, and will be far more sensitive to scenes where he may act vaguely (Extremely vaguely) like his later self. For someone who hasn't read the books, Theon's character portrayal was done terribly. Nothing in the first season could lead one to believe that he resents the Starks; except if you've read the books of course.

You're 100% right.  Those of us who've read the books do have additional information, and honestly, subtlety is lost on the TV show.  I don't think anyone just watching would pick up Theon's resentment.  If they did, I doubt they would realize it was as deep as it seems.  But then, the show portrays him as wanting to help Robb even after returning to Pyke (the letter he burned, for one thing) while the book shows him pretty much embracing the Iron Way.

Yet another reason the series is bothering me.  So many missing scenes, or things just brushed over, is losing a lot.

[Addai]

bobobo878 wrote...

I'm sure they died of natural causes.  In the dark ages most kids didn't make it to 10 years old.

You can believe that if it makes you feel better. 

On the other side... I didn't like the change on Jaime.  I don't consider it in character.  He did what he did to Bran to protect his own kids.  You could argue that he was doing the same there, but it's not as clear cut.

Modifié par Addai67, 15 mai 2012 - 01:15 .

[AxisEvolve]

Brockololly wrote...

Heh...one little touch I really liked was how Roose just lingered there with Robb for a while.

This scene...... Watching it while knowing about TRW is....startling. 

[ObserverStatus]

Aerevane wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Kinda funny how much trouble Theon Greyjoy and Jon Snow have been getting in for thinking with their dicks lately. If this pattern keeps repeating, Robb Stark had best stay away from that doctor lady.

Well... didn't Cat warn him about the promise she made to that dirty 'ol Lord at the castle about him marrying one of his daughters? It's already explicitly set up as a big warning sign flashing: do not penetrate!

"Sorry Robb, you can't  marry the cute doctor lady, I already promised you to the daughter of that toll bridge keeper so he'd let us cross."