Robb's bannermen would see him break faith with one of their own, and even if they didn't like Frey, they wouldn't take something like that well.Tirigon wrote...
But why so?
What Robb needs is Frey's army, not Frey himself. The way medieval society works, and Frey being too old to leave his castle, chances are 99% of the footsoldiers have never seen their lord anyways, nor the insides of his castle.
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I know, but I don't have to like it.Obi-Wan Old Ben Kenobi wrote...
You people who complain about how different the show is to the books, you have to remember it's someone's interpretation of the books not a media transit, otherwise the episodes would be very long indeed. Look at the X-Men films for example they are great movies in their own right. Do they follow the comics in the slightest? No.
Tirigon wrote...
I guess there is none, if you trust the likes of Frey.
I dont however, and in war that is more than enough reason to kill them.
Modifié par Seagloom, 16 mai 2012 - 12:47 .
His works influenced others to create works which then further influenced the genre. It could logically all be traced back to him, but I do not quite agree with the idea all fantasy as it exists today draws from his wellspring.
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Modifié par Seagloom, 16 mai 2012 - 01:04 .
Obi-Wan Old Ben Kenobi wrote...
You people who complain about how different the show is to the books, you have to remember it's someone's interpretation of the books not a media transit, otherwise the episodes would be very long indeed. Look at the X-Men films for example they are great movies in their own right. Do they follow the comics in the slightest? No.
Seagloom wrote...
Considering I found his books too dull to finish, not really. I've not taken a sip from his delectable wellspring of creamy fantasy goodness. ;p Of course, I probably have been indirectly inspired by Tolkien through reading the works of authors that did sup from his cup of nectar. Hard not to acknowledge that as an avid reader, tabletop gamer, and all around nerd.
Tolkien had forebears. George Macdonald, etc.LPPrince wrote...
Question-
Do y'all consider Mr. Martin the "American Tolkien"?
I think he's not quite there yet. Not even close, seeing as Tolkien pretty much changed everything that came after him, fantasy wise.
Seagloom wrote...
The short of it is your proposal completely ignores the political; and in Westeros ignoring politics and other social forces is as like to kill a person as a blade. That is demonstrated time and again throughout the story.
If you honestly believe Robb can order an easily traceable assassination and rock on without it coming back to bite him in any significant way, then there is no argument I could ever make to sway you.
So yeah, there is no point in continuing beyond a thought exercise; and both perspectives were already explored to my satisfaction. We simply do not see eye to eye on a basic level.
LPPrince wrote...
Question-
Do y'all consider Mr. Martin the "American Tolkien"?
I think he's not quite there yet. Not even close, seeing as Tolkien pretty much changed everything that came after him, fantasy wise.
That's true, but the North is different. Everyone recognizes this. Southerners can get away with poncy, deceptive tactics. The very reason people don't respect the Freys because they are like that. The Starks keep a stern rule but Northerners recognize them as "one of us." If a Stark started acting like a Lannister, they would lose more than they gain.Tirigon wrote...
Then I just wonder why it works for the Lannisters all the time.
Don't they even have a song that basically says "Dont mess with Lannister or you all die"? "The Rains of Castamere" it is called.
Yes. I don't like it. It changes Jaime in fundamental ways. It's a theme of his character that he's not actually much like Tywin, a shadow that haunts him his whole life.AxisEvolve wrote...
I keep trying to convince myself that they're only making "small" changes from the book. Then I realize that in making Jamie kill Alton he is now a kinslayer as well as a kingslayer. Does this bother anyone else? This changes the entire perspective of the character.
If we include the entire continent, I'd say Erikson is. His books are epic in scope with still a strong focus on characterization, plus importantly what they have in common is the huge amount of background material and meticulous attention to detail (Erikson originally created his setting in college for a role-playing campaign IIRC).LPPrince wrote...
Question-
Do y'all consider Mr. Martin the "American Tolkien"?
I think he's not quite there yet. Not even close, seeing as Tolkien pretty much changed everything that came after him, fantasy wise.
As a cultural phenomenon? Absolutely not. Tolkien is the father of modern fantasy and it's pretty much impossible for a fantasy writer to top that.LPPrince wrote...
Question-
Do y'all consider Mr. Martin the "American Tolkien"?
I think he's not quite there yet. Not even close, seeing as Tolkien pretty much changed everything that came after him, fantasy wise.
AxisEvolve wrote...
I keep trying to convince myself that they're only making "small" changes from the book. Then I realize that in making Jamie kill Alton he is now a kinslayer as well as a kingslayer. Does this bother anyone else? This changes the entire perspective of the character.
Yes. I don't like it. It changes Jaime in fundamental ways. It's a theme of his character that he's not actually much like Tywin, a shadow that haunts him his whole life.
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