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[Addai]

They have a much bigger budget this year and I think they're probably going to blow a lot of it on the next 2 episodes. That doesn't mean it will have the scale of the books. GRRM commented when he was writing the Blackwater episode that he was having to pare it down a lot from the book presentation, and didn't know if even his pared down version would make the cut.

[RedArmyShogun]

See thats why I said, why even bother, oh well. Maybe it won't be too botched up. Though I really don't get why they just don't use limted CGI for the battles, like Star Wars has done with its latest movies. I mean just have all the warriors and nights in various helmets and no focus on the faces, and no one would care.

[Costin_Razvan]

Well I think we won't have horses, and very likely we won't have a huge fleet battle.

Truth be told ASoIaF deserved a movie series. 2-3 movies for each book to do them justice.

[LPPrince]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Well I think we won't have horses, and very likely we won't have a huge fleet battle.

Truth be told ASoIaF deserved a movie series. 2-3 movies for each book to do them justice.

That would cost more than the television series and there was no guarantee they would've been successful.

Plus, that is A LOT of movies for a book series. Fact is, movies based on books always leave out WAY too much.

The television series gives us more than the movies would. Not as much as the books of course, but I think its safe to say we're better off with the television series.

[RedArmyShogun]

I don't know about that the budget and casting really hurts the TV series in parts. A dual approach might have worked better, TV show, with a Movie covering the huge and important parts, then the show picks up from the movie and so on.

[Addai]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

See thats why I said, why even bother, oh well. Maybe it won't be too botched up. Though I really don't get why they just don't use limted CGI for the battles, like Star Wars has done with its latest movies. I mean just have all the warriors and nights in various helmets and no focus on the faces, and no one would care.

I assume they will.  There's no way to film Blackwater without a lot of CGI.  They already had a nice CGI shot of Stannis' fleet off the coast of Renly's camp.

Let's not even contemplate how screwed up the story would be if Hollywood was doing it.

Modifié par Addai67, 21 mai 2012 - 04:26 .

[RedArmyShogun]

Hmm really depends on who the director was, though most of them would ruin it.

[mupp3tz]

Really sad that I don't have HBO and I always look at this thread longingly. How is Season 2 shaping up for those of you lucky ones?

[Brockololly]

Addai67 wrote...

They have a much bigger budget this year and I think they're probably going to blow a lot of it on the next 2 episodes. That doesn't mean it will have the scale of the books. GRRM commented when he was writing the Blackwater episode that he was having to pare it down a lot from the book presentation, and didn't know if even his pared down version would make the cut.

This is a pretty interesting interview with David and Dan on the Blackwater episode and what it took to make it. I guess we should be thankful they were able to get more money for it since they almost had to have all Blackwater take place from Cersei and Sansa's POV, holed up in the Red Keep.

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Well I think we won't have horses, and very likely we won't have a huge fleet battle.

Truth be told ASoIaF deserved a movie series. 2-3 movies for each book to do them justice.

The problem with movies is that they'd do a better job with the scale and spectacle of the world, to be sure, but there is no way they'd be able to maintain probably even half of the depth of characters. Movie versions would be even more condensed, even if you were doing 2-3 hour movies and 3 movies per book. That would still only be about 9 hours per book if you had 3 3 hour movies per book, which would never happen anyway.

I really think the show could be much better paced if bumped the budget up even more so they could cast and introduce certain characters a little earlier and have maybe 12 episodes per season. I'm hoping next season will be paced a little better considering they have basically 2 seasons to adapt A Storm of Swords. And splitting ASoS into 2 seasons is probably best budget wise, leaving the big battle from ASoS for season 4, I'm guessing.

[AxisEvolve]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Truth be told ASoIaF deserved a movie series. 2-3 movies for each book to do them justice.

Eww, if they made them into movies they'd probably end up dumbed down to Michael Bay level proportions. Plus, 2 to 3 movies per book isn't happening, maybe 2-3 for the whole series. Movies can not get as much done as a tv series can. You may get extra cash for cgi and battles, but think of all the dialog that would be cut. 

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

Really sad that I don't have HBO and I always look at this thread longingly. How is Season 2 shaping up for those of you lucky ones?

They've changed a lot from the books but it's still entertaining. Anyone expecting the upcoming seasons to be better than the first is kidding themselves. It happens with every tv show. The first season will always be the greatest. 

[Russalka]

I am hoping that Talisa turns out to be a sorceress, for some reason.

[chunkyman]

The trailers for the upcoming episode have me excited.

WARRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!

[Addai]

Brockololly wrote...
This is a pretty interesting interview with David and Dan on the Blackwater episode and what it took to make it. I guess we should be thankful they were able to get more money for it since they almost had to have all Blackwater take place from Cersei and Sansa's POV, holed up in the Red Keep.

SRSLY?  That would have failed hard.

The problem with movies is that they'd do a better job with the scale and spectacle of the world, to be sure, but there is no way they'd be able to maintain probably even half of the depth of characters.

True.

HBO just needs to dump the rest of their original programming line-up and put that money into GoT.  The whole rest of the channel is complete garbage.  They were better when they showed the same good movies 3 times a day.

[Costin_Razvan]

Eww, if they made them into movies they'd probably end up dumbed down to Michael Bay level proportions. Plus, 2 to 3 movies per book isn't happening, maybe 2-3 for the whole series. Movies can not get as much done as a tv series can. You may get extra cash for cgi and battles, but think of all the dialog that would be cut.

Frankly there is no book series that had as complex characters as Song of Ice and Fire that was translated to the big screen, but I can name some book/movie adaptions that did a very good job.

The First 3 Harry Potter movies and the LOTR movies. Yes there were some changes, some for the worse some for the better but those were superb films. Not just for the spectacle.

As I see it 3 movies could have given us just as much in terms of characters, if not more, as the TV series and more spectacle.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 21 mai 2012 - 08:17 .

[AxisEvolve]

Hmm.. I don't see it. They probably would have wanted to slap a pg-13 on it too. Hard to imagine. I'm a huge believer in that tv series' can accomplish much more than movies can. And they are often of much better quality. LOTR was a huge project. I doubt ASOIAF could generate half of the support and financial backing. At least not now.

Maybe I'm biased because I can't tell you 5 movies I enjoyed in the last five years. They're all spectacle to me. Great visuals but little to none character development and deep storytelling.


On a side note, here's a good behind the scenes type article on Blackwater.

http://insidetv.ew.c...nes-blackwater/

[Aeowyn]

[TJPags]

Aeowyn wrote...

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I lol'd.

But if the show keeps up like this, I'm joining the Wildings. 

[Tirigon]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Eww, if they made them into movies they'd probably end up dumbed down to Michael Bay level proportions. Plus, 2 to 3 movies per book isn't happening, maybe 2-3 for the whole series. Movies can not get as much done as a tv series can. You may get extra cash for cgi and battles, but think of all the dialog that would be cut.

Frankly there is no book series that had as complex characters as Song of Ice and Fire that was translated to the big screen, but I can name some book/movie adaptions that did a very good job.

The First 3 Harry Potter movies and the LOTR movies. Yes there were some changes, some for the worse some for the better but those were superb films. Not just for the spectacle.

As I see it 3 movies could have given us just as much in terms of characters, if not more, as the TV series and more spectacle.

Well I wouldnt call LotR a good adaptation.

Dont get me wrong, I love all 3 movies, imo they are among the best movies ever made if you judge them on their own, but they changed too much from the novels to be an example of a good adaptation.

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

Last episode was fantastic. Probably because there was so little Daenrys init. Like brother like sister I guess, except she's become MORE irritating than him. At least Viserys doesn't just stamp his feet when something doesn't go his way. Is she really surprised someone stole her dragons? Frankly I think half of Qarth would just to troll her.
Cheeky little Arya reminded me again she's the reason I got into this. That was probably the most epic shrug there will ever be. I actually started giggling out loud.
I may be alone in this but I also really liked the Robb + pretty doctor scenes.

Also, a girl demands an international speak like Jaqen day.

[xenacrocker]

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Also, a girl demands an international speak like Jaqen day.

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[Costin_Razvan]

Maybe I'm biased because I can't tell you 5 movies I enjoyed in the last five years. They're all spectacle to me. Great visuals but little to none character development and deep storytelling.

Truth be told I agree with you that most movies nowadays are ****. But the last 2 Harry Potter movies were pretty good adaptations.

[Inquisitor Recon]

As Robb is not attempting to take King's Landing like everybody else, what exactly is he trying to accomplish now? Defeating Tywin Lannister for certain but then what? How does he intend to kill Joffery if Tyrion's badassery proves greater than Stannis'?

When you don't see any scenes from Robb's battles, don't see his tactics in effect, he appears rather cluless to me. He's always either acting awkward around that nurse or failing to make a decision about what to do regarding Theon's actions.

[Costin_Razvan]

In the books he split his Infantry under the command of Rose Bolton from his cavalry, which he took himself, and set it to distract Lord Tywin's main force. This was the army Tyrion fought with his Clansmen. Bolton lost, but managed to withdraw with the majority of his troops.

Meanwhile Robb marched on Riverrun with his entire cavalry. Freed it, captured Jaime, smashed two thirds of the entire Lannister Force there. Was proclaimed King of the North and he gained support of the the Tully Bannermen.

After that he left Edmure Tully with a relatively large force to defend Riverrun, but only Riverrun. However near Riverrun stood the crossings Tywin needed to use if he was to reach Lannister lands and stop Robb.

Robb's plan was to allow Tywin to cross without opposition and since his force is mostly foot and Robb's is cavalry he was going to let Tywin advance, then outflank him. Gather Edmure's men and hold their ground at a strategic location where Tywin would have had a hard time winning a battle against Robb. Nevermind that Rose Bolton still had over 10.000 Infantry in play as well. 

Of course Edmure being the ****ing idiot decided to fight at the crossings and ruined Robb's plan.

They ruined all that in the TV show by having Robb keep his entire force together, by not having Edmure until now and having Robb say he made the deal with the Freys for the crossing. Robb gained more then just a bloody crossing. He gained 4.000 troops.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 22 mai 2012 - 06:53 .

[Tirigon]

xenacrocker wrote...

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Also, a girl demands an international speak like Jaqen day.

A girl seconds this.

A man reads, and a man supports girls.

[HoonDing]

It seems the quality of this season's episodes is inversely proportional to the amount of screen time of Daenerys Stormcrow .