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[LPPrince]

Tyrion stood out very much. Joffrey was a punk(duh), Stannis came across as a total badass(leading the vanguard), Sansa and Cersei had their segments which were nice(to give us a break from the 40 minutes of combat and combat dialogue).

The Hound and Bronn had their own couple of moments together. Those were badassery.

Wildfire happened. It was green(you wanted details, you get the obvious ones). Ships burned to cinders, men were burnt alive, Sandor Clegane faced his phobia and did what we knew he would do.

And then he was told by Tyrion that he was a "Man of the Kingsguard".

The words that The Hound spoke after hearing that earned him cheers from my mom and stepdad who haven't read the books.

It was BADASS.

Since I'm viewing Game of Thrones as an adaptation of the books with changes here and there, things being a little different don't bother me. With my mom and stepdad watching with me, I get to see their responses to the show with them not reading the books, so its cool to see someone scream and yell at the events unfolding.

It was AWESOME. AIUFNSIUNVAUIBSDAPIUDSBADIB

[LPPrince]

Also, thanks to Bronn we got to see some ******.

/HBO Sex Quota

[TJPags]

Seagloom wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Tonight's episode - which is about to start - will likely determine whether I continue to ne highly interested in this show, or watch it just because it's there.

I'm really hoping it's the first.

You have more persistence than me. I gave up watching after watching "The Old Gods and the New". Since the battle of Blackwater was such a big event in A Clash of Kings, I was curious to see how it would be received here without spending the time to actually watch it.

I want to like this series.  I REALLY want to like this series.  I'm just finding it hard to do.

I'm still trying to digest my feelings on this episode.  It's a hard one to judge.

On the one hand, they stayed pretty true to the books, to the best of my memory (haven't read Clash in a bit).  I expected that, given that Martin wrote it.  There were some minor discrepancies, but nothing that had any significance at all (except perhaps Stannis's role in the battle, but that seems to have turned out insignificant).

The episode overall seemed to have a lot more focus, seemed sharper.  Was happy they stuck with King's Landing, and didn't try to toss in other plots.

All that said, however, I have a sense of . .  .well, as Addai said, meh.  The use of wildfire, while it made a big bang, seemed lacking.  It didn't convey the sense of terror that I believe the books did.  It also seemed to end abruptly.  Cersei seemed too sober to convey the whole, "I'm going to drink until I believe the battle's lost, then have Ser Ilyn chop my head off" vibe she had in the books.  Joffrey also appeared understated in his lunacy.  And the Hound . . . I was expecting there to be more fire when he pulled out and went to drink.

Overall, I think I have to say the episode was pretty good . . . yet I'm left with a sense that something was missing - the terror, the panic, the confusion of battle - something.

[LPPrince]

Eff haters, I'm DRINKING TO THIS EPISODE'S GREATNESS.

BLACK DRAGON TEA BABY.

Edit- Before I get chewed out, none of y'all are haters. Its just something I'm using as I'm drunk on violence.

EDIT 2.5- I fail. I meant to quote this and I ended up pressing edit and erasing some of the original post. Which I then added back and re-edited to post this edit...thing. Yeah.

Modifié par LPPrince, 28 mai 2012 - 04:08 .

[Addai]

I'm not hating- just meh'ing. I didn't hate it. I don't have much of an opinion on it at all. Our TV tends to be dark, but even so it was just too dark to see what was happening and the dialogue fell flat for me, too. I know, I know- GRRM wrote it. I can't explain it. There was just nothing at all in the episode that was even a *zing* let alone a *zowieee*. The biggest zing was from seeing Jaqen in the preview for next week.

Oh well, you win some, you lose some.

[LPPrince]

Even I got loud, responding to the episode with my mom and stepdad.

The company's nice. Any of y'all watch the show with others, or are all of y'all alone when you do it?

That might have something to do with one's enjoyment of the series.

[LPPrince]

AxisEvolve wrote...

Great episode. They cut some things (obviously), but I feel like they included most of the good stuff. Next weeks episode should be interesting. I'm curious to see how much they explain at the end of this season and how much they will leave until the next.

Loved the final Stannis scene right before the end. It was a good touch.

Stannis is a badass. He led the entire way through, and he is the ONLY one who didn't give up even when all was lost.

RESPECT.

[Addai]

LPPrince wrote...

Even I got loud, responding to the episode with my mom and stepdad.

The company's nice. Any of y'all watch the show with others, or are all of y'all alone when you do it?

That might have something to do with one's enjoyment of the series.

Husband was watching.  He hasn't read past book one, so was hoping for a Lannister defeat.  Pretty quiet from his end of the living room.

[TJPags]

You know, I'm doing as I always do, watching the 11pm airing to see it a second time . . . . and I notice that Addai is right. Most episodes seem dark - this one seems even darker.

@LPPrince - not a hater. Just, you know, think this series could be so much better.

That said, I watch with my wife, who has only read book 1. She seems to like it a lot more than me . . .but she's never been that excited about anything going on.

[LPPrince]

I got loud as hell when this happened-

"F the Kingsguard, F King's Landing, and F the King"- Sandor Clegane, straight to Joffrey and Tyrion's faces.

My mom instantly stopped hating The Hound there. And he earned mad respect from my stepdad.

Speaking of which, my stepdad loved this episode- he was in the Army and Army Reserve for 20 years, so battles and war are a favorite of his.

After the episode ended and I went to make my cup of tea, we actually went over battle strategies and plans- again, him formerly in the military, and me being trained in combat with swords, daggers, and the like.

Great dynamic. Made for a hell of a time, watching the episode and reflecting on it afterwards.

[LPPrince]

LPPrince wrote...

Eff haters, I'm DRINKING TO THIS EPISODE'S GREATNESS.

Edit- Before I get chewed out, none of y'all are haters.

^LEMME POINT THAT OUT AGAIN JUST IN CASE

[Brockololly]

I loved it.

My only quibbles would be the lack of a chain, and a general lack of a greater sense of scope or overall situation of who is where and what was going on in the battle. Basically, stuff that an even bigger budget would have helped with- like some bigger establishing shots of the armies, more naval action and a bigger sense that the whole city was on the cusp of imploding with riots sprouting up and Stannis' men crossing farther upriver and attacking the King's Gate and not just the Mud Gate. And no flames on Lightbringer.

But thats truly minor stuff in the grand scheme of things. I loved the writing in the episode as it felt more true to the book characters at least- Joff wasn't Caligula reborn but a wimpy mama's boy in over his head. You had more time given to minor characters like the Hound or Bronn or Pod. Cersei and Sansa's interactions were great- for all the people that complain about Sansa, she had more balls than Joffrey this episode. And Cersei was Book Cersei.

Thats saying nothing of badass Stannis or the great wildfire galley explosion or the Hound chopping guys in half or Pod saving the day. Or Tywin and Loras charging in, those last shots of Cersei and Tommen on the Iron Throne, or the Rains of Castamere playing at the end (foreshadowing!).

I really liked it. All told, it was very faithful to the books, while I can understand why they made the changes they made for budget reasons. Yes, it would have been better with some bigger shots of the armies and more horses and more fire and more boats closer in, but considering David and Dan almost had to film all of Blackwater from the POV of Cersei and Sansa holed up in the Red Keep, this was fantastic.

TJPags wrote...
 The use of wildfire, while it made a big bang, seemed
lacking.  It didn't convey the sense of terror that I believe the books
did.  It also seemed to end abruptly.

Agreed- but I think thats mostly because every wildfire shot was just $$$$ piling up for special effects, not just with fire but then having it green. So the fact they got the galley to go up as big as it did made me happy.

That gets to the lack of a chain and the lack of better conveying the terrain and strategy of the battle though. In the show it looks like Stannis keeps most of his fleet in the Bay and rows in only at the Mud Gate. Whereas in the books, Stannis has a massive army on the south side of Blackwater Rush and brings most of his fleet with the exception of Salador Sahn into Blackwater Rush to ferry guys across, all the while landing more guys upriver to attack King's Landing at the King's Gate. Plus, you had Tyrion actually using the Royal Navy as more of a decoy to lure Stannis' fleet in with the wildfire galleys mixed in. Light them on fire and then trap Stannis' fleet by raising the chain. I'm guessing they wanted to show that but it was a money issue pure and simple.

TJPags wrote...
And the Hound . . . I was
expecting there to be more fire when he pulled out and went to drink.

Yeah. In the books, I always pictured the beach by the Mud Gate was pretty narrow without much land at all. ANd then the fleet was actually trapped in Blackwater Rush, so you had the burning wildfire much much closer to the guys actually fighting on the beach. Like you said, the wildfire was limited to the naval galley and not much else.

TJPags wrote...
Overall,
I think I have to say the episode was pretty good . . . yet I'm left
with a sense that something was missing - the terror, the panic, the
confusion of battle - something.

Yeah, I'll watch it again, but the main thing missing for me was the same thing the show has been skimping on IMO- a broader context of events, giving certain things proper scope. For Blackwater, that would be giving a better idea of where the armies were, showing how big they were, and what the different armies were trying to do tactically. By only focusing on the Mud Gate and not having any big establishing shots of the armies or city, it made the battle feel small- it never really seemed like the city was in danger overall. They should have had Lancel make mention of riots in Flee Bottom or other areas to better convey the sense that **** was really hitting the fan for a while.

Modifié par Brockololly, 28 mai 2012 - 04:29 .

[Lord_Valandil]

Blackwater was like...oh, man.
Just amazing. Hats off to GRRM and D&D.

Who needs the chain? They really pulled it off. Badass Stannis FTW.
I'll lead the charge myself.
I'll climb the ladder first.
I'll make my way to the throne.

Damn. Way better than the book version, who just watched from his ship, GRRM truly made Stannis shine here.

Modifié par Lord_Valandil, 28 mai 2012 - 04:24 .

[Lord_Valandil]

Brockololly wrote...

TJPags wrote...
Overall,
I think I have to say the episode was pretty good . . . yet I'm left
with a sense that something was missing - the terror, the panic, the
confusion of battle - something.

Yeah, I'll watch it again, but the main thing missing for me was the same thing the show has been skimping on IMO- a broader context of events, giving certain things proper scope. For Blackwater, that would be giving a better idea of where the armies were, showing how big they were, and what the different armies were trying to do tactically. By only focusing on the Mud Gate and not having any big establishing shots of the armies or city, it made the battle feel small- it never really seemed like the city was in danger overall. They should have had Lancel make mention of riots in Flee Bottom or other areas to better convey the sense that **** was really hitting the fan for a while.

As much as I can agree with a lot of points, I'd cut some slack for the guys behind the cameras.
Of course it wasn't as big and spectacular as we could have wanted it to be, but having in mind that the whole battle could have been reduced to just Cersei and Sansa locked in the room and Lancel bringing them news of what was happening, I think we got something really precious.
Enjoy it for what it is, and for what it wasn't (could have been worse, and it was close to never exist at all).

Seriously, I have my own complaints about the way they've handled season two so far...but sometimes I feel that people really needs to complain about something even if the episode was almost perfect.
No offense to anyone, just my opinion.

Modifié par Lord_Valandil, 28 mai 2012 - 04:48 .

[TheBlackBaron]

Brockololly wrote...

A man does not like chickens. A man must kick the chicken.

Just so.

The Red God demands chicken. 

We have to get them for him. 

Addai67 wrote...

This actor is so perfectly cast for Roose.  *shivers*

I still want to know how they got Putin's body double from Moscow to play him.

Anyways, about to go watch the episode now. My hope would be that Stannis wins while Tyrion and Co. manage to escape, but somehow I suspect it won't be that clean.

[Brockololly]

Other amusing tidbits:

Tyrion wearing his Hand necklace...
Bronn singing!
Stannis' drums- I can't even remember if that was in the books, but it was just cool.
The Hound telling Joffrey to **** off
The pyromancer cackling with glee
Cersei's boob armor
Stannis being the first man in, leading the vanguard and last man out having to be pulled away by his own men
Drunk Cersei is the best Cersei
Tyrion hacking off legs with his axe!
Tywin always making the most badass of entrances
Loras as the ghost of Renly
Sansa holding the doll Ned gave her as a gift in season 1
Sansa: "The worst ones always live." Oh, GRRM.
Oh, and this:

I just love how the ship literally vaporizes and everyone shields their eyes except for the pyromancer.

Modifié par Brockololly, 28 mai 2012 - 05:28 .

[RobRam10]

no no noooooo! First Renly and now Stannis is denied his victory??!! Oh whyyyy!!

Modifié par RobRam10, 28 mai 2012 - 06:11 .

[chunkyman]

Jesus Tapdancing Christ that was awesome! 

Having not read the books, all of those cool twists like the wildfire boat explosion and Tywin showing up were massive shocks to me. I'm usually able to predict what happens next in most shows , but this episode surprised me time and time again. Absolutely wonderful; my favorite episode by far.

[legion999]

GodWood wrote...

Shh about TRW!

legion999 wrote...
A general question but has the second series ended? If not what point of the story are they up to?

Nope, there's still 2-3 more episodes for this season.

Thank you.

LPPrince wrote...

Second season, I think you mean.

They have events from the books completely out of order, so while I would've at first said Season 2 was the Clash of Kings season, they are dipping into A Storm of Swords even now.

Oh crap I really need to start reading the books quicker before the show catches up. Thankyou as well.

[LPPrince]

Tywin saved the day for the Lannisters. See, Stannis led the vanguard, first man in every time. His forces were going HARD on King's Landing, but the last thing they expected was having to fight on two sides- front and back. Tywin got there JUST IN TIME and wiped out most of Stannis' forces. Obviously you'll of noticed Stannis refusing to admit defeat and having to be carried off by his own men.

That's why "The Rains of Castamere" played during the credits.

The Rains of Castamere is a song about Tywin's victory over the Reynes of Castamere and their rebellion. The Reynes are now extinct thanks to him.

Though for you NON-BOOK READERS, if you listen to the song, beware- its significance is more than just its appropriateness after what Tywin just did.

In A Storm of Swords, that song becomes MUCH more important. I'd avoid the comment section just in case.

Now listen to it and revel in your newfound knowledge.

Modifié par LPPrince, 28 mai 2012 - 11:03 .

[GodWood]

On the topic of ASoIaF music; some celtic punk band covered the song "The Bear and the Maiden Fair"

It's ... interesting?

Modifié par GodWood, 28 mai 2012 - 11:13 .

[LPPrince]

Oh, I noticed how instead of using boiling oil(pretend boiling oil, you know what I meant) they dropped rocks on people's heads.

Ha.

[LPPrince]

Best part of Blackwater-

"F the Kingsguard, F Kings Landing, and F the King."

GOD.

Modifié par LPPrince, 28 mai 2012 - 11:13 .