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[naughty99]

If it is true, it makes sense for Ned to have lied about it because if anyone found out, quite possibly Robert would have had the child killed.

Modifié par naughty99, 25 avril 2011 - 02:42 .

[SarEnyaDor]

I understand lying about it to the world, but to his wife?

[naughty99]

The alternative would be that he actually cheated on his wife.

I think either could be true, although cheating seems slightly less in his nature than perhaps lying to her about Jon.  IIRC, he had not known Catelyn very long before he left for war, perhaps he didn't trust her with this secret. 

It seems to have been common among the nobles for men to have bastards, but very few lived at court. In any case, there should be something special about Jon's mother, otherwise it will be disappointing after such a long delay in revealing who she was.

Modifié par naughty99, 25 avril 2011 - 02:59 .

[SarEnyaDor]

I'm not saying it is impossible, I'm just saying that if that is the case I wanna smack Ned around for being an idiot.

Even if at first he wasn't sure about Catelyn, after years of marriage and a bushel of children and seeing how much pain and discord it caused, telling her privately the truth and why would have eased alot of suffering and made his family life much easier for everyone. I just don't see him as such a fool to not have seen that for himself and so I think the odds of that being the case are very slim.

Modifié par SarEnyaDor, 25 avril 2011 - 03:22 .

[AshedMan]

I was so mad at the end of last night's episode. That horrid woman demanding the execution of the dire wolf that did nothing wrong. That was very sad.

[Addai]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

I'm not saying it is impossible, I'm just saying that if that is the case I wanna smack Ned around for being an idiot.

Even if at first he wasn't sure about Catelyn, after years of marriage and a bushel of children and seeing how much pain and discord it caused, telling her privately the truth and why would have eased alot of suffering and made his family life much easier for everyone. I just don't see him as such a fool to not have seen that for himself and so I think the odds of that being the case are very slim.

You heard Robert in ep 2, right?  If there had been any suspicion, any at all, that Jon was a Targaryen, he would have been dead as dead.  Plus if Jon really is Lyanna's, then she obviously made him promise not to tell anyone (her last words were "promise me, Ned.")

I'm pretty convinced that's who he is.  But part of me wants it to be that way.  Makes for a great story, beautiful and fracked up at the same time.

Ep 2... gack, seeing the direwolves makes it 10 x harder.  Again, even though I knew what was coming, I was shouting at the screen.

[barenas]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

I'm not saying it is impossible, I'm just saying that if that is the case I wanna smack Ned around for being an idiot.

Ned Stark is an idiot. Not a stupid one but an honorable one. In the books he repeatedly put his personal honor ahead of what the kingdom needs. He is in part responsible for the whole 5 kings war.

[HoonDing]

Can't stop watching.

[Dreadstruck]

virumor wrote...



Can't stop watching.

I like how Sandor just stands there with an indifferent facial expression. Good Hound!

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 25 avril 2011 - 08:12 .

[silver-crescent]

That gif is glorious. I haven't watched the new episode yet, going to do it tomorrow.

In the books I'm in the part where Margaery and Joffrey get married. I heard it's gonna get nasty soon (not that I couldn't see it coming)

[naughty99]

@Virumor - genius! I would make that my desktop background if I could.

AshedMan wrote...

I was so mad at the end of last night's episode. That horrid woman demanding the execution of the dire wolf that did nothing wrong. That was very sad.

without revealing any spoilers, I would say that horrid woman will likely become even more despicable in your eyes as the series progresses, or if you read some of the novels.

Modifié par naughty99, 25 avril 2011 - 08:44 .

[silver-crescent]

Ugh that whole scene that culminated with Lady's death was just painful in the books. I'm afraid to see what it's like on tv D:

[AshedMan]

naughty99 wrote...

without revealing any spoilers, I would say that horrid woman will likely become even more despicable in your eyes as the series progresses, or if you read some of the novels.

Thanks, I haven't read the book, but am looking forward to the day when that family gets what they deserve (hopefully they do at some point).

[TJPags]

Addai67 wrote...

SarEnyaDor wrote...

I'm not saying it is impossible, I'm just saying that if that is the case I wanna smack Ned around for being an idiot.

Even if at first he wasn't sure about Catelyn, after years of marriage and a bushel of children and seeing how much pain and discord it caused, telling her privately the truth and why would have eased alot of suffering and made his family life much easier for everyone. I just don't see him as such a fool to not have seen that for himself and so I think the odds of that being the case are very slim.

You heard Robert in ep 2, right?  If there had been any suspicion, any at all, that Jon was a Targaryen, he would have been dead as dead.  Plus if Jon really is Lyanna's, then she obviously made him promise not to tell anyone (her last words were "promise me, Ned.")

I'm pretty convinced that's who he is.  But part of me wants it to be that way.  Makes for a great story, beautiful and fracked up at the same time.

Ep 2... gack, seeing the direwolves makes it 10 x harder.  Again, even though I knew what was coming, I was shouting at the screen.

Yea, I kind of feel this way on the Jon issue as well, and I don't really care about who's kid he actually is.

Without getting too spoilery (for those who didn't read the books) Ned didn't know Catelyn all that well when they got married.  He did know his sister, though (obviously).  I can easily see him making a promise to his sister, and lying to his new wife - even if only by omission (which I'm petty sure is all he actually does) - to keep it.

And the issue is made a lot of for it not to be more than it seems.

[Inquisitor Recon]

I already want horrible things to come to that damned queen and her whole side of the family, with the exception of the dwarf. He has style.

Pushing a child out a window is one thing, but killing that dire-wolf is on a new level of scumbaggery entirely.

[Brockololly]

Tyrion is such a badass- the cast in general is just superb, but I really, really think Viserys in the show is so much better than in the book. At least I thought in the book, Viserys comes across as entirely power hungry insane, whereas in the show he's still nutty, but its like a controlled craziness if you will

Modifié par Brockololly, 26 avril 2011 - 12:53 .

[naughty99]

Brockololly wrote...
 I really, really think Viserys in the show is so much better than in the book. At least I thought in the book, Viserys comes across as entirely power hungry insane, whereas in the show he's still nutty, but its like a controlled craziness if you will

I completely agree - riveting, nuanced performance by Harry Lloyd brought something very special to this role.

Modifié par naughty99, 26 avril 2011 - 01:26 .

[Fenton]

virumor wrote...



Can't stop watching.

That to me was epic right there. Infact I was watching the episode again OnDemand and well was rewinding it back and forth for 5 mins. I hope I do see more of that.

[Nerevar-as]

ReconTeam wrote...

I already want horrible things to come to that damned queen and her whole side of the family, with the exception of the dwarf. He has style.

Pushing a child out a window is one thing, but killing that dire-wolf is on a new level of scumbaggery entirely.

Jaime may still surprise you if the series lasts long enough.

[mousestalker]

Here's a tip that bears repeating for those who have not read the books: Don't get too attached to any one character. Bad things happen to good characters. Bad things happen to bad characters. Bad things can happen to just about everyone. Virtue is not rewarded nor is vice punished.

[elenilote]

Joffrey is just as horrible brat as in the book - maybe even more so as the kid's so damned creepy - but mostly I heart Tyrion - brilliant bit of casting there.

[horacethegrey]

Episode 2: The Kingsroad

LIKES

- Tyrion. Just from one particularly awesome scene and a few minutes of screentime, Peter Dinklage totally steals the show from everyone. I really can't wait for the rest of the series just to show what Dinklage can do with such a great part.

- Joffrey getting b***hslapped by Uncle Tyrion.  Hah! Never gets old.

- Eddard. Man, Sean Bean owns as Ned. From his sad farewell to his bastard son, to his conversation with Robert that goes friendly reminiscing to tension filled argument regarding Daenerys, and finally the haunted anguish when he puts Lady out of her misery. It's the kind of performance that made me tear up nearly  ten years ago when Sean played Boromir in LOTR.

- Jon Snow's farewells. Great scenes all around. I'm particularly fond of the scene with Robb. Despite the fact they can't refer to each other as such, there's no doubt these two are brothers.

- Catelyn. Props too should go the Michelle Fairley. She makes Cat's anguish over Bran totally believable, as is her motherly fury when she starts to suspect Bran's fall may not have been accidental. Ironic really, as I was never fond of Cat in the books.

- Daenerys. Finally, the princess is showing her stuff. Have to admit, that later bed scene with Drogo is a welcome addition. 

- Arya. Wow. That utterly hateful look she gives to Joffrey had me s****ing in me pants. Despite her extended dialogue in this ep, Masie Williams totally nailed the part with that one look. Looking forward for more!


DISLIKE

- Joffrey and Sansa. Ugh. Take note that I'm not hating on Jack Gleeson or Sophie Turner, as I think they play their parts well. But the fact that they're good at their roles makes me hate them all the more, just like it was in the books. I do hope Sophie is able to make Sansa sympathetic later on, when things turn bad for her.

- No Ghost? C'mon, we got Summer, Lady and Nymeria. Why no love for the most prominent direwolf in the series? Hope when Jon gets to the Wall we see more of the albino direwolf.

Modifié par horacethegrey, 26 avril 2011 - 01:13 .

[Addai]

Brockololly wrote...

Tyrion is such a badass- the cast in general is just superb, but I really, really think Viserys in the show is so much better than in the book. At least I thought in the book, Viserys comes across as entirely power hungry insane, whereas in the show he's still nutty, but its like a controlled craziness if you will

Viserys is the one I"m most impressed with, too.  He's fun as well as nutty and creepy.  Harry Lloyd is doing a great job with him.