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[Jonathan28]

So GoT is coming back then? Season 2 was boring, hopefully the next 2 seasons are good.

[Volus Warlord]

simfamSP wrote...

Galvanization wrote...

LPPrince wrote...
Anywho, he wrote Episode 7 of Season 3, so we'll all have to wait for that one.

Time lost which could be spent writing the books instead.

STAHP DOING INTERVIEWS AND COMIC CON UNTIL YOU ARE FINISHED MARTIN

After years of writing the same stuff, I'm surprised he hasn't worn out his love for Westeros.

It's his biggest and best accomplishment.

[Costin_Razvan]

I'm sure one of the most pivotal battles in the entire saga would have received outstanding reception if portrayed through dialogue.

You don't get me.

Three Kingdoms HAD battles portrayed, it had naval, siege and open terrain battles in the DOZENS all there but due to the limitations of budget they made up for a lot of missing details using dialogues, that's my bloody point. 

Also about the notion of doing a novel in 10 episodes, Three Kingdoms which was based 40% on a novel, 50% of history and 10% on made up stuff was 95 and, I need to stress the following part, it was ALL shot within less then a year and not only that it a huge cast of complex characters, more so then GoT, political intrigue, manipulation, deception and subtetly.

All of this for 30 million dollars, excuse me if I am not impressed at all by Game of Thrones which has double that for 10 episodes and can only portray ONE battle in 20 episodes and two others that are mentioned and barely seen.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 20 mars 2013 - 05:49 .

[billy the squid]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

As if HBO deserves anything but getting spat upon for how they utterly wrecked the adaption when compared to the beauty of the books.

It's an insult to Martin to not view Game of Thrones as anything more then a trash series good only for some visualizations of some characters and locations from the books but that's it and it's the sole reason I will continue watching the show while awaiting Winds of Winters like salivating dog.

Billy: I will disagree with the assesment that Game of Thrones captured as much of Song of Ice and Fire as it could. Where is the wonderful subtetly? Gone, the masterful manipulation and complex politics? dumbed down, the military strategy: almost non-existant.

Would I say I found Season 1 of GoT passable and even enjoyable at points, yes I did especially with scenes that did not happen in the books and created for the show, but Season 2 was an abmysall mess of incosistency and **** even as just a show not counting the books it came from.

Regarding military strategy in Spartacus, there isn't much of it true, but I'd say I vastly prefer the cat and mouse game that Spartacus and Crassus are playing in War of the Damned versus the show war of the five kings.

While I wouldn't say you are a purist, you have read the books, I'm in the process of doing so, hence perhaps my preconceptions of how things are have been skewed by watching the series. For instance, despite the description of Tywin Lannister in the books I see Charles Dance. Thus I'm more flexible in what I deem to be acceptable, looking at the books and series as a single entity rather than the literature superceeding the television series.

I agree that season 2 was weaker than season 1 and diverged wildly at some points from the books. I think it was also a mistake to try and fit a book the size of a Clash of Kings into 1 season, if they did then that season should have been longer and not limited to ten episodes. I was disappointed with Jon Snow's interaction and how he met the Wildlings as well as the Halfhand, which was seriously lacking. As to the War of the Five Kings, the problem lies in the detail of the conversations, which could have detailed the whispering wood, siege of River run. etc. But, don't, which while reading the books at the same time seems like something that could have been easily accomodated, rather than soley focusing on the character's interations. 

But as you have said it's an adaptation, I think you were looking for something far closer to the sourse material to the point were every event was depicted or discussed. Now given the scale of the literature, which is larger and has more charcters than the Lord of the Ring trilogy, I don't think that would have been possible.

I haven't seen the other series that you mentioned Three Kingdoms. But, I'll have a look at it. It does sound interesting.

Modifié par billy the squid, 20 mars 2013 - 09:43 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Battles can be ridiculous in how some characters fight, but the strategy of them is what is good.

EDIT: Here is one of the great moments, two characters riding side by side while discussing strategy of war, politics and manipulation just an epic conversation overall.

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 21 mars 2013 - 01:50 .

[TheBlackBaron]

Alright, so, is there a list out there of what Season 3's episodes are?

According to TV Tropes, the episode George is writing is #7, "The Bear and the Maiden Fair", which I guess must have been renamed from "Autumn Storms". Do we know any others?

[LPPrince]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Alright, so, is there a list out there of what Season 3's episodes are?

According to TV Tropes, the episode George is writing is #7, "The Bear and the Maiden Fair", which I guess must have been renamed from "Autumn Storms". Do we know any others?

Well, I don't know any others. I can wait.

[BellPeppers&Beef023]

All I can say is, between this and bioshock infinite, next week is gonna be sooo much fun!!

[Chewin]

You and me both, pal.

And I'm going to echo Costin on the magnificence of Three Kingdoms. As he said himself, it far exceeds GoT when it comes to involve the audience in politics, military strategy, battles and more. I'd highly recommend people to give it a try.

[KnightofPhoenix]

billy the squid wrote...
I haven't seen the other series that you mentioned Three Kingdoms. But, I'll have a look at it. It does sound interesting.

WAtch it, you'll love it.
And I think you'll love Cao Cao. 

[billy the squid]

And who are you, the proud lord said,
that I must bow so low?
Only a cat of a different coat,
that's all the truth I know.
In a coat of gold or a coat of red,
a lion still has claws,
And mine are long and sharp, my lord,
as long and sharp as yours.
And so he spoke, and so he spoke,
that lord of Castamere,
But now the rains weep o'er his hall,
with no one there to hear.
Yes now the rains weep o'er his hall,
and not a soul to hear.



Tywin Lannister, the man, the legend. 


KoP I'll watch Three Kingdoms as soon as I get a chance, I've been trying to read more of A Storm of Swords whenever I get time, before Season 3 comes out.

Modifié par billy the squid, 21 mars 2013 - 08:41 .

[Paragon Gabriel]

LPPrince wrote...

This one is priceless! 

[TEWR]

Billy the Squid wrote...

For instance, despite the description of Tywin Lannister in the books I see Charles Dance

Same. I can't help but see the characters as they appear in the TV show when I read the books. Despite Tyrion being described as ugly and misshapen, I see Peter Dinklage -- only minus a nose. When I hear of Jaime, I see his actor. When I hear of Jon Snow, I see his actor.

And so on. I can't help but see the characters as they're played by the actors when I read. I'm not sure why. Maybe it's because I can relate better to the scenes when I have a clear visualization at the ready. Maybe it's because, while I can picture the people as they're described in the books, I can't put a full face to it -- only a large variety of features. Maybe it's because I watched the first season of Game of Thrones before I actually read the books a year or so ago.

Who knows why.

[Chewin]

Gabriel the First wrote...
This one is priceless! 

Please.

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Maybe it's because I watched the first season of Game of Thrones before I actually read the books a year or so ago.

I think this is mainly the reason. Or at least for my part.

Still only half way through A Clash of Kings, but I think I'll be able to finish it before the Season premiere on sunday. Though I think I'm gonna have to watch Season 3 first and then read the first half of A Storm of Swords.

[Paragon Gabriel]

Chewin3 wrote...
Please.

Okay, THIS one steals the show! 

[Some Geth]

I guess I am one of the few who doesn't see the book characters as their actors. But I have read the books years before the show came out, so that must be why.

That and I just can't see book Jon or Robb as 20-somethings.

Modifié par Some Geth, 22 mars 2013 - 04:02 .

[legion999]

Some Geth wrote...

I guess I am one of the few who doesn't see the book characters as their actors. But I have read the books years before the show came out, so that must be why.

That and I just can't see book Jon or Robb as 20-somethings.

 
I thought they were 20-somethings?

[Jonathan28]

Yeah, Robb and Jon look too old to the way they are described in the books, so I just imagine them without the beards, makes it easier.

[LPPrince]

In the books most of the characters are younger than their show counterparts.

As examples, I believe Arya's like 9, Daenerys is 13, Jon is...can't remember.

They aged them for the show because depicting what happens to these characters at novel-appropriate ages would be...you know.

[Some Geth]

Yeah, it's fine for a book series, but a TV show could never pull it off.

Oh and Jon was 14 in the first book, same age as Robb.