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[Fiery Knight]

^Umm... what's the reference for? Just curious

[Brockololly]

Hawke_12 wrote...

^Umm... what's the reference for? Just curious

Its Arrested Development plus Game of Thrones.
Yeah, I guess Iif you haven't seen Arrested Development that doesn't make much sense.

[TheRealJayDee]

I quite liked the GoT season opener. And for some reason I feel the strong urge to watch Arrested Development again...!

[ReallyRue]

Degs29 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Ser Bones wrote...

Shepenwepet wrote...

If Game of Thrones Season 3: Episode 1 took place on Facebook

that was... Awesome

Indeed it was.

Mance Rayder:  Good answer.  I would also have accepted 'Because bastards don't get to sit at the cool table.'

Awesome.

This is hilarious! I really like Stannis's: "Throw him in the dungeon. I've got to keep staring at the waves and growing a beard'. 

[MisterJB]

Stannis's beard is Azor Ahai and his fleet was Nissa Nissa. It was born amidst salt (from the sea) and smoke (from the wildfire) while a bleeding star shone in the sky (the comet).

[Cainhurst Crow]

MisterJB wrote...

Stannis's beard is Azor Ahai and his fleet was Nissa Nissa. It was born amidst salt (from the sea) and smoke (from the wildfire) while a bleeding star shone in the sky (the comet).

So he's smoked pork than?

[Megaton_Hope]

Azor Ahai is Dany. She was born during the fall of Dragonstone, when the last Targaryen forces were being destroyed or put to rout. She's already woken dragons from stone, although not the ones Melisandre believes in. The only condition I can see she hasn't satisfied is the sword drawn from fire. And the presumptive male gender.

Though I personally expect that it won't be a "Song of Ice and Fire" until Jon Snow and Dany get together.

[MisterJB]

...That was a joke.

And yes, Daeneris is obviously Azor Ahai. Too obviously, if you ask me. She has drawn Ligthbringer from the fire if we consider the dragons to be it; they certainly appear to be the perfect weapon against the Others; and what's more, she sacrificed her beloved to the flames like Azor Ahai did and she attempted to create Lightbringer two times before she suceeded at the third attempt; at the brazier and after she gave birth to the stillborn; like Azor Ahai did. The comet; bleeding star; even appeared on the sky in the day the dragons were born.

Also, the valyrian word for "Prince" is not gender restricted; it can be either a male or female prince; much like the dragons who can change gender, Maester Aemon said so.

Honestly, absolutely everything points out to Daenerys being Azor Ahai which is exactly why I believe she isn't.

Modifié par MisterJB, 06 avril 2013 - 03:46 .

[Megaton_Hope]

I think there's going to be a literal sword to draw from a literal fire at some point. I considered that about the dragons, but it's not a clear enough fulfillment of the prophecy.

A lot of the description could refer to Jon, if we accept the theory that he's a Targaryen. (Child of Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar, particularly, therefore the legitimate heir to the throne.) HE hasn't woken any dragons, though. What we do have, there, is a sword (Longclaw) that was in a fire, when Jon burned one of the wights.

[TheBlackBaron]

Game of Thrones as a Seinfeld episode

[TheBlackBaron]

MisterJB wrote...

Also, the valyrian word for "Prince" is not gender restricted; it can be either a male or female prince; much like the dragons who can change gender, Maester Aemon said so.

Honestly, absolutely everything points out to Daenerys being Azor Ahai which is exactly why I believe she isn't.

IIRC "The Prince that was Promised" and Azor Ahai are seperated prophocies - one is dragon in origin and recorded by the Valyrians, the other comes from Asshai. 

Like I said before, it wouldn't surprise me if it they out to refer to similar but different people, in keeping with the "the dragon has three heads" thing. So Dany might be The Prince that was Promised while Jon is Azor Ahai (recall that whenver Mel trys to look into her fires for Stannis she only sees Jon), and Jon has already, albeit in a somewhat roundabout and metaphorical fashion, drawn a sword from fire. 

[Megaton_Hope]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Like I said before, it wouldn't surprise me if it they out to refer to similar but different people, in keeping with the "the dragon has three heads" thing. So Dany might be The Prince that was Promised while Jon is Azor Ahai (recall that whenver Mel trys to look into her fires for Stannis she only sees Jon), and Jon has already, albeit in a somewhat roundabout and metaphorical fashion, drawn a sword from fire. 

My theory goes King/Queen/Hand.

The real question is, will Sam or Tyrion live long enough to occupy that position, or will it have to be a returned Arya.

[HoonDing]

My respect for Tywin went down a lot when I suddenly woke up in the middle of the night and remembered he's in Alien 3.

[addiction21]

HoonDing wrote...

My respect for Tywin went down a lot when I suddenly woke up in the middle of the night and remembered he's in Alien 3.

Really? Given what the new episode covered (I have read ahead) I would lose respect for how he treats the son that saves Kings Landing and has pretty much been the bulwark of open rebellion. Not for playing a excellent role in a so-so movie.

You want to pick on him for being in a bad movie how about Last Action Hero?

[MisterJB]

TheBlackBaron wrote...
IIRC "The Prince that was Promised" and Azor Ahai are seperated prophocies - one is dragon in origin and recorded by the Valyrians, the other comes from Asshai. 

Like I said before, it wouldn't surprise me if it they out to refer to similar but different people, in keeping with the "the dragon has three heads" thing. So Dany might be The Prince that was Promised while Jon is Azor Ahai (recall that whenver Mel trys to look into her fires for Stannis she only sees Jon), and Jon has already, albeit in a somewhat roundabout and metaphorical fashion, drawn a sword from fire. 

SPOILERS FOR THIS SEASON.

I'm quite certain they are meant to be one and the same. In "A Storm of Swords" Maester Aemon asks Melisandre:
"Where is the Prince That Was Promised'"
To which Melisandre answers and these are her exact words:
"He stands in front of you. Stannis Baratheon is Azor Ahai."

which implies Azor Ahai and the Prince That Was Promised are two different names for the same hero. Of course, there is still the matter of the dragon having three heads so, it might still be revealed that there must be three Azor Ahais or something similar.

[Megaton_Hope]

MisterJB wrote...

which implies Azor Ahai and the Prince That Was Promised are two different names for the same hero. Of course, there is still the matter of the dragon having three heads so, it might still be revealed that there must be three Azor Ahais or something similar.

They seem to be used that way in the books. Although I wouldn't trust the Red Priests on this issue, they have the most incentive to conflate the two. And Melisandre's beliefs are almost definitely wrong.

[Addai]

HoonDing wrote...

My respect for Tywin went down a lot when I suddenly woke up in the middle of the night and remembered he's in Alien 3.

Lol, what?  I have no reference.  Oh wait, you mean the actor- ah, well Charles Dance is amazing.

And, wow, we're getting spoilery for people who haven't read further in the books.  There's a thread for that.

Modifié par Addai67, 06 avril 2013 - 10:35 .

[MisterJB]

"Is there a idiot in any village who trusts Littlefinger?"
The Hand of the King, Eddard Stark.

I'm starting to think they might be going a bit too far with Joffrey. He was already a bloodthirsty, cruel, uncaring, stupid, spoiled child-king, no need to pile up modern sins such as misogyny and homophobia on him. Everyone in the world already wants him dead.

I'm glad they're trying to redeem themselves with the Reek plot.

Modifié par MisterJB, 08 avril 2013 - 04:45 .

[Brockololly]

Another pretty good, sort of setup episode.

Some thoughts:

• Finally seeing the Reeds was nice. Kind of wish they gave some better explanation how and why they tracked down Bran though. Like, maybe they were headed to Winterfell originally.
• Wow, puberty sure hit Bran. His voice was all over the place. At least while Arya and Sansa are bigger, their voices sound mostly the same.
• Lots of direwolf shots, which was nice.
• Jaime and Brienne's banter is great. The show can use some humor every once in a while and Jaime certainly provides that.
• Some really beautiful scenery- the forest where Bran was sleeping and the woods and bridge Jaime and Brienne were near especially.
• I am greatly confused as to what they're doing with the news of Bran and Rickon with Robb and Cat. In the books Cat hearing of Bran and Rickon's "death" and her believing they're dead is a huge driving factor in her character development and a huge reason why she acts the way she does in freeing Jaime. I don't understand why they're seemingly making a specific point of not letting them know. I'm guessing they maybe are saving that for later? Are they going to try and link Theon into this somehow?
• While the episode cut from place to place pretty briskly, I thought they generally did a nice job making segueways that felt natural. Cat talking about Jon Snow, cut to Jon Snow. Jon hearing talk of the Night's Watch at the Fist of the First Men, cut to Sam and the Night's Watch.
• Theon! That finger nail scene! Ouch!
• Its nice to see them likely setting the table for a dropped storyline from A Clash of Kings with the inclusion of Theon in this season.
• Joffrey's scenes were great- both with Cersie and Margaery. He's aged up from the books but the way they're approaching it works. He's a teenager and trying to rebel against Cersei yet unknowingly being played by Margaery. 
• The Queen of Thorns! That was an excellent scene with her, Sansa and Margaery. Great casting. The lady wants her cheese NOW!
• The scene with Cat and Talisa was kind of meh. Not sure what to make of it.
• Nice to see some of the warging and skinchanging with Orell.
• Sam collapsing and that whole scene felt off. The whole flight from the Fist in the books felt much more frantic and tense. I thought it took place in a blizzard with torches needed to light the way and with guys getting picked off left and right by the Others who were hot on their trail. Just not very much tension or suspense with that scene which made Sam just seem like even more of a wimp than necessary.
• Really like the casting with Meera and Jojen. Nice name dropping of Howland Reed too.
• The Arya and Brotherhood without Banners stuff was EXCELLENT. I really liked how they basically mushed together Thoros and Tom O'Sevens. That worked for me. Thoros was probably my favorite part of the episode since he added some much needed character and personality. Having Arya found out by the Hound was another nice adaptation that simplfied what was in the book without taking much away, I thought. Although they did basically speed through and condensemuch of Arya's early book chapters, they did it in a pretty smart way.
• The Tyrion and Shae scene? Worthless and a waste of time. Maybe outside of trying to setup Shae and Tyrion looking out for Sansa. Just... Shae on this show does nothing for me. At all. She just doesn't seem likeable.
• Theon's rescuer.... heh.
• The sword fight between Brienne and Jaime was ok. I wish it had more stages and movement to it like the books. Where they basically start fighting with swords but they're moving around the terrain a lot more with it basically devolving into an all out brawl on the ground by the end, with both of them oblivious to their surroundings. On the show it seemed a lot more controlled and restrained.
• I guess this Bolton bannerman (Lock, I think is his name) is basically the stand in for Vargo Hoat. No Bloody Mummers which is too bad, but expected. Would have been a nice way to add some more personality to the show ("Kingthlayer!") and expand on the role of mercenary groups in Westeros ( Brave Companions as a foil to the Brotherhood) but oh well.

Looking forward to next week. From people that have seen episodes 3 and 4, thats when the show really starts to pick up this season.

Modifié par Brockololly, 08 avril 2013 - 05:42 .

[Han Shot First]

The scene with Cat and Talisa was kind of meh. Not sure what to make of it.

I liked it. I thought the story about Jon as an infant provided some backstory and character development for Cat.

I honestly prefer the series portrayal of Catelyn to her portrayal in the books. I find the series version to be more sympathetic.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 08 avril 2013 - 05:45 .

[MisterJB]

Brockololly wrote...

Sam collapsing and that whole scene felt off. The whole flight from the Fist in the books felt much more frantic and tense. I thought it took place in a blizzard with torches needed to light the way and with guys getting picked off left and right by the Others who were hot on their trail. Just not very much tension or suspense with that scene which made Sam just seem like even more of a wimp than necessary.

 I agree, it was such a beautifully written scene in the book. You could really feel the desperation, the Cold!
In the first episode, I got the impression they wanted to bring much needed attention to the Others; which is understandable given the fact it will still be Spring for at least two seasons; but having the Night's Watch being sistematically picked off one by one would be so much more efective than have Jon and Mance reminding us in every scene they're in that "yes, the White Walkers are coming.".
I can only hope they redeem themselves with the escape from Craster's Fortress. If they cut "Sam the Killer", it will be an outrage.

Modifié par MisterJB, 08 avril 2013 - 05:56 .

[TheBlackBaron]

Han Shot First wrote...

The scene with Cat and Talisa was kind of meh. Not sure what to make of it.

I liked it. I thought the story about Jon as an infant provided some backstory and character development for Cat.

I honestly prefer the series portrayal of Catelyn to her portrayal in the books. I find the series version to be more sympathetic.

I suspect they're trying to remind viewers that Cat really doesn't like Jon, since the show has not made much mention of it. For what purpose, I don't know - perhaps it's meant to contrast with her reaction to Brann and Rickon's supposed fates. Maybe it's relevant later in the season. 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 08 avril 2013 - 07:46 .

[TheBlackBaron]

MisterJB wrote...

"Is there a idiot in any village who trusts Littlefinger?"
The Hand of the King, Eddard Stark.

What everybody was thinking. 

I have to agree with Brock, the scene was pointless, but it was -funny-. It might have been better if they'd cut it out and posted it seperately to HBO Go. 

[Degs29]

Brockololly wrote...
Another pretty good, sort of setup episode.

Nice review Brockolloy.  I just wanted to comment on a couple things.

Brockololly wrote..[*]Sam collapsing and that whole scene felt off. The whole flight from the Fist in the books felt much more frantic and tense. I thought it took place in a blizzard with torches needed to light the way and with guys getting picked off left and right by the Others who were hot on their trail. Just not very much tension or suspense with that scene which made Sam just seem like even more of a wimp than necessary.

This is the second show in a row where I've been disappointed in their handling of the Night's Watch plotline.  I can understand not showing the assault on the Fist because of budgetary constraints, but they have fewer excuses for the handling of the scene in this episode.  In the book, it's a headlong flight filled with terror.  In the show, there doesn't seem to be any sense of urgency.  I'm hoping it catches up with them, but Sam's collapse is a little premature.

Brockololly wrote...
[*]The Tyrion and Shae scene? Worthless and a waste of time. Maybe outside of trying to setup Shae and Tyrion looking out for Sansa. Just... Shae on this show does nothing for me. At all. She just doesn't seem likeable.

I actually like what they've done with Shae's character and am surprised to hear you find her unlikeable.  She's more sympathetic, I think, to Sansa and her situation than she was in the books.  I'm just hoping the direction they're taking her character in doesn't change the way they handle her character at the end of book 3.