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[Cainhurst Crow]

I guess that makes some sense, I just take the view that there are exceptions to every rule. But as a point of story narrative, it does work very well.

It's amazing, but jamie has gone from one of my mosted hated characters, to one of my favorite and most sympathetic ones, despite all of his many falws.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 30 avril 2013 - 05:51 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Also, Jamie was inducted into a Kingsguard which had some of the most honorable and renowned knights ever seen in the Seven Kingdoms. The White Bull, the Lord Commander at the time, really saw his vows in a very black and white manner. You did not judge the King, you protected him regardless of his actions, you did not question him in any way. Even when Rickard and Brandon Stark were executed, the Kingsguard had to just stand and watch and keep their misgivings to themselves.

So really, it was the Seven Kingdom's obsession with oaths and loyalty taken to all new heights, and Jamie's actions are much worse because of it.

It also didn't help that the person who found him seated on the Iron Throne with a bloodied blade and the King's corpse at the foot of the stairs was Ned Stark, honor made flesh.

[AshedMan]

I'm still confused by that whole resurrection scene. Is the dead guy special who was resurrected or is the man who raised him from the dead the special one?

[Shepenwepet]

DinoSteve wrote...

Anyone ever see: WHAT THE FLULA? its the definitive way to catch up if you miss an episode.

Nope, this is.

[Costin_Razvan]

The rains of Castamere grow closer with every moment, every hour and every day.

I long for it. It will be delicious to feast on the tears.

[The Night Mammoth]

AshedMan wrote...

I'm still confused by that whole resurrection scene. Is the dead guy special who was resurrected or is the man who raised him from the dead the special one?

Neither. Thoros is a Red Priest of R'hllor, like Melisandre. R'hllor is the god of light, flame, and shadow, and is one of he few real magic powers in the world. It's through him that Melisandre sees the future and summons the shadow man to kill Renly, and how Thoros resurrects Dondarrion.

Thoros comments on this during the episode, saying something like 'The Lord of Light has all the power, I'm just the drunk who says the words'.

The books show more powers, and more resurrections, but I wont spoil.

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 30 avril 2013 - 07:21 .

[Brockololly]

The Night Mammoth wrote...
Neither. Thoros is a Red Priest of R'hllor, like Melisandre. R'hllor is the god of light, flame, and shadow, and is one of he few real magic powers in the world. It's through him that Melisandre sees the future and summons the shadow man to kill Renly, and how Thoros resurrects Dondarrion.

Thoros comments on this during the episode, saying something like 'The Lord of Light has all the power, I'm just the drunk who says the words'.

The books show more powers, and more resurrections, but I wont spoil.

Do we really know that its R'hllor that has power? I mean, divine power? Or is it just some form of magic that anybody could use that possibly only the Red Priests are privy to?

There is no denying that clearly some magical/supernatural stuff is going on. I just don't know that its necessarily divine intervention. Magical intervention, sure.The increasing amount of magic/overt fantasy elements in the world of GoT is a theme in the books and show but I question whether GRRM will make it so black and white to have actual Gods become involved.

[Chewin]

Addai67 wrote...

Well as I said on the last page, they didn't foresee her doing that because they are at the pinnacle of a slave economy that is networked throughout the eastern world. They simply didn't fathom that a seemingly helpless teenage girl would do something so monumentally stupid. It is stupid, BTW. Not to spoil, but Dany is acting out of sentimentality and pride and inexperience, to think that she can upset the entire economic basis of the eastern lands and not have it come back on her.

Well even the smartest of persons makes mistakes, but still I can't help but shake my head over the whole incident in part of the slavers. And yeah, what Dany did is stupid as well. By freeing the slaves (which she can't even feed other than through plundering) she dismantles the slaver institution which keeps the economy working between the cities, which also hurts the slaves as well (or so I would beliveve, curious to see what she will do next).

Why she's in a hurry to get to Westeros... well there are strategic reasons, namely that there's currently a civil war and she can profit from the chaos. There's also just immediate survival. Without an army and with only adolescent dragons she's a defenseless target. So even though what she did was stupid and sentimental, there are also practical reasons for why she does it.

Personally I find it wiser to let Westeros bleed each other to death, and wait to attack after Winter has past which would have subdued the land, while Dany would simultaneously have gathered an army, a fleet and most of all, full grown dragons.

On another note, really enjoyed this past episode. Though watching Robb Stark was very frustrating and made me shake my head. He puts at risk half of his forces for the sake of "justice" (which is made ludicrous with how he handled it with his mother) and then he plans to attack Casterly Rock after that (while having to run back to Frey for support, again) which I don't see how that will serve him in the long run, and how he inteds to hold it.

And with him seemingly doing nothing with the Greyjoy's hold on the North (and unknowingly having Mance coming down from the Wall) I'm pretty certain Robb's days are numbered (or even more than they were earlier).

[The Night Mammoth]

Brockololly wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...
Neither. Thoros is a Red Priest of R'hllor, like Melisandre. R'hllor is the god of light, flame, and shadow, and is one of he few real magic powers in the world. It's through him that Melisandre sees the future and summons the shadow man to kill Renly, and how Thoros resurrects Dondarrion.

Thoros comments on this during the episode, saying something like 'The Lord of Light has all the power, I'm just the drunk who says the words'.

The books show more powers, and more resurrections, but I wont spoil.

Do we really know that its R'hllor that has power? I mean, divine power? Or is it just some form of magic that anybody could use that possibly only the Red Priests are privy to?

I don't think it matters if it's strictly divine or not, there's some constant power involving foresight, flames, shadow, and healing, that the Red Priests use. If it were just Melisandre and one other character who I wont mention, then I might agree, but Thoros said he never really had much power until he accidentally revived Dondarrion. It implies something is answering his prayers since he doesn't really understand what he's doing even five lives later.

Also, Melisandre seems to believe her acts aren't her doing if her single perspective chapter is to be believed. 

There is no denying that clearly some magical/supernatural stuff is going on. I just don't know that its necessarily divine intervention. Magical intervention, sure.The increasing amount of magic/overt fantasy elements in the world of GoT is a theme in the books and show but I question whether GRRM will make it so black and white to have actual Gods become involved.

These gods don't have to be black and white, though. I can certainly see him having deities that are less spiritual and more magical and tangible. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 30 avril 2013 - 08:29 .

[TheBlackBaron]

[Chewin]

Unlike Tywin, Robb is in a more awkward position.



God I lol'd.

LPPrince wrote...

Ser Jorah was in Doctor Who, so he's cool.

Iain Glen is also in Downtown Abbey, in which he is a badass in.

[Fiery Knight]

Chewin3 wrote...
And with him seemingly doing nothing with the Greyjoy's hold on the North (and unknowingly having Mance coming down from the Wall) I'm pretty certain Robb's days are numbered (or even more than they were earlier).

After these recent events, along with book readers here slightly spoiling / hinting at future events, I fear Robb will die in season final. Hope this is not the case, but that's the impression I've gotten by people here spoiling too much.

[Paragon Gabriel]

Hawke_12 wrote...

Chewin3 wrote...
And with him seemingly doing nothing with the Greyjoy's hold on the North (and unknowingly having Mance coming down from the Wall) I'm pretty certain Robb's days are numbered (or even more than they were earlier).

After these recent events, along with book readers here slightly spoiling / hinting at future events, I fear Robb will die in season final. Hope this is not the case, but that's the impression I've gotten by people here spoiling too much.

well no one has spoiled really anything, and there are worse things than death (though debatable) that can happen / has happened / will happen to characters in the story, if you are wondering why certain people are saddened of upcoming events. 

Though with that said, continue watching and you will see what happens.

[LPPrince]

Yeah if you want to completely avoid spoilers I just wouldn't talk about anything really.

A Storm of Swords(the book of which Season 3 is covering the first half of) was released 13 years ago.

A TON of people already know whats gonna happen.

As for what is, HEHEHEHEHEHE

I'm not spoiling anything. Just wait. TRW will tell all.

[DukeOfNukes]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

She was like that on Downton Abbey.

Not that I watch Downton Abbey or anything, no way. I eat raw beef and lift real heavy stuff.

That's a shame, actually. She's very pretty, but she looked malnourished. Don't get me wrong, if she were in front of me I'd fall to my knees and praise every god I can name. But, I'd like if she had a bit more meat on her.

[DukeOfNukes]

Hawke_12 wrote...

Chewin3 wrote...
And with him seemingly doing nothing with the Greyjoy's hold on the North (and unknowingly having Mance coming down from the Wall) I'm pretty certain Robb's days are numbered (or even more than they were earlier).

After these recent events, along with book readers here slightly spoiling / hinting at future events, I fear Robb will die in season final. Hope this is not the case, but that's the impression I've gotten by people here spoiling too much.

If it makes you feel better, I can guarantee you, 100%, he wont die in the season finale.

[DukeOfNukes]

Chewin3 wrote...

On another note, really enjoyed this past episode. Though watching Robb Stark was very frustrating and made me shake my head. He puts at risk half of his forces for the sake of "justice" (which is made ludicrous with how he handled it with his mother) and then he plans to attack Casterly Rock after that (while having to run back to Frey for support, again) which I don't see how that will serve him in the long run, and how he inteds to hold it.

And with him seemingly doing nothing with the Greyjoy's hold on the North (and unknowingly having Mance coming down from the Wall) I'm pretty certain Robb's days are numbered (or even more than they were earlier).

Something else the book does better. Roose Boltons bastard is fighting the war in the North, and Catelyn is the perspective character, not Robb, so we don't get updates on what's going on.

The reason he had to kill Karstark was not just because of "justice" or "honour", but the simple fact that Karstark slaughtered 2 Lannister nobles, and the Lannisters still hold Sansa (and presumably Arya). He does it in large part because he believes it will save them, as well as potentially other prisoners.

[Costin_Razvan]

Furthermore in the books the Karstark are not half his forces. They barely numbered 2.300 when he has an army of 30.000 give or take. He had 16.000 northmen, the Riverlords gave him another 13.000 and Frey gave him 4.000 men.

Seriously Robb losing the Karstark did not have that big of an impact as the bloody show portrays it to be, nor was losing them the reason he was trying to renew and alliance with the Freys. The reason he was trying to do so was because he was attempting to lead his forces back to the North to retake it from the Ironborn ( things where different in the books with regards to Theon and so on, and Roose Bolton did NOT order his bastard to end the siege of Winterfell ) and for that he needed the crossing the Freys control.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 01 mai 2013 - 02:02 .

[Degs29]

DukeOfNukes wrote...

Hawke_12 wrote...

Chewin3 wrote...
And with him seemingly doing nothing with the Greyjoy's hold on the North (and unknowingly having Mance coming down from the Wall) I'm pretty certain Robb's days are numbered (or even more than they were earlier).

After these recent events, along with book readers here slightly spoiling / hinting at future events, I fear Robb will die in season final. Hope this is not the case, but that's the impression I've gotten by people here spoiling too much.

If it makes you feel better, I can guarantee you, 100%, he wont die in the season finale.

Sigh...

People who think they're being clever, when they're actually just screwing it up more.

[Chewin]

DukeOfNukes wrote...
The reason he had to kill Karstark was not just because of "justice" or "honour", but the simple fact that Karstark slaughtered 2 Lannister nobles, and the Lannisters still hold Sansa (and presumably Arya). He does it in large part because he believes it will save them, as well as potentially other prisoners.

I would believe the Karstarks would be of more value considering the situation Robb is in, and I doubt he would believe the Lannisters would kill his sisters as revenge for two 'minor' Lannister nobles. And even if that was the case, I would assume Robb already news there is more at stake than his sisters.

Costin_Razvan wrote...
Seriously Robb losing the Karstark did not have that big of an impact as the bloody show portrays it to be, nor was losing them the reason he was trying to renew and alliance with the Freys. (...)

That sounds more logical than what the show makes off it. Seems like they did it simply do add more drama to the whole scene, which is ridiculous. 

[DukeOfNukes]

Degs29 wrote...

Sigh...

People who think they're being clever, when they're actually just screwing it up more.

Define "hypocrite" for me, would you?

Chewin3 wrote...

I would believe the Karstarks would be of more value considering the situation Robb is in, and I doubt he would believe the Lannisters would kill his sisters as revenge for two 'minor' Lannister nobles. And even if that was the case, I would assume Robb already news there is more at stake than his sisters.

Well, as Costin says, there's a lot more to it than the show puts out there...stuff that they had to cut out for time. If it were me doing the episode, I would have had Karstark insulting Robb and his wife in front of his men, instead of in private, to offset some of it. They also didn't really play it up much, but Karstark essentially thought he could get away with just about everything because Robb had gone soft ball when his mom let Jaime go.

[LPPrince]

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Modifié par LPPrince, 01 mai 2013 - 05:48 .