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[Degs29]

The Night Mammoth wrote...
I'm not adverse to action, and as a long-term fan of the books which is basically devoid of action for the vast majority of their lengths, I do agree, but for a TV show which relies a lot of people who haven't read the books aren't as enthralled by hours of talking about dresses and food and endless citing of house names, it's sort of understandable. 

I don't agree entirely though, since, well, look at my profile pic. Plus, if you weren't sort of interested in all the character development and plot information in episode four, something's wrong. I think it's allowed a slow episode or two. 

I personally think it has the perfect mix of action, drama and character building.  That said, I have heard a few people complain about the lack of action.  I just wholeheartedly disagree with them.

[LTD]

I says show as a whole has perfectly appropriate amount of action. First season and Robb's character did suffer from the lowish budget and too many off-screen battles though. There was at least one mass battle shaped empty hole left in 1st season. " Mom! Look! We found a Kingslayer in the forest!"

[LPPrince]

I think the show's amount of action is perfect. You get desensitized to it if there's too much of it. The show builds quite well so that when there IS action, you're into it.

[AshedMan]

The Night Mammoth wrote...
I don't agree entirely though, since, well, look at my profile pic. Plus, if you weren't sort of interested in all the character development and plot information in episode four, something's wrong. I think it's allowed a slow episode or two. 

Episode 4 was the best of this season!  (so far)  It had plenty of action and a fantastic ending.  The two episodes since had no thrilling ending or cliff hanger by any means.  

[LPPrince]

I don't think the episodes need thrilling endings or cliff hangers.

Sometimes its best to just end an episode and carry on.

[The Night Mammoth]

AshedMan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

I don't agree entirely though, since, well, look at my profile pic. Plus, if you weren't sort of interested in all the character development and plot information in episode four, something's wrong. I think it's allowed a slow episode or two. 

Episode 4 was the best of this season!  (so far)  It had plenty of action and a fantastic ending.  The two episodes since had no thrilling ending or cliff hanger by any means.  

Why does every episode need a thrilling ending or a cliffhanger? 

I can't imagine anything more stale or boring. If you're looking for a non-stop thrill ride filled with endless suspense, you're watching the wrong show. If Jamie's confession to Brienne, or Arya's journey with the Brotherhood, or Jon climbing the wall, or Robb beheading Karstark, don't interest you, then you're watching the wrong show. 

The duel between the Lightning Lord and the Hound was made even better than it was because it's been the only sword fight for a few episodes. A Game of Thrones is a ponderous character driven political intrigue drama, action is the last on the list of important things. Thank god they're not staying more faithful to the books, else half of each episode would be dream-sequences, memories, or people talking about their clothes and the food they're eating. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 07 mai 2013 - 11:19 .

[The Night Mammoth]

I know it's a little pointless to speculate, but I think they'll be fine for the most part. They seemed to have worked it out so there's one big thing in every season. First was Dead Ned, second was the Battle of the Blackwater, this season is the RW, next it'll be another wedding but with a big toilet crossbow strangulation finale, and the season after that'll be a combination of A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons, with a stabbing and a dragon themed elope as the big thing there.

[Chewin]

LPPrince wrote...

Seriously? I loved Ros. Apparently so did the showrunners, mentioning its unfair how people have perceived her, though they get it.

Funny thing, GRRM loved her too, and decided he was going to cameo her in the books, though I guess thats completely off the table now. REWRITE.

I didn't mind giving the prostitutes a face while simultaneously havign her serving as an exposition tool, but I was never in favor of her ever growing importance in the sub-plots and was afraid it would evolve into something even more. As a character, well to each their own I say.

Modifié par Chewin3, 07 mai 2013 - 12:20 .

[Fortack]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Why does every episode need a thrilling ending or a cliffhanger?

They don't.

However, this last one didn't really progress the story. Before this episode Sam & Bran's group were going for the Wall, and Jon Snow was to climb the Wall. Nothing changed and nothing important happened, though, climbing the Wall was well done.

I suppose the Brotherhood part was somewhat interesting - Melisandre meeting Arya (which never happened in the books I believe). Bolton's bastard was a bit disappointing (imo) and we already knew he was likely going to torture Theon anyway. We also knew about the marriages and that the ones involved are not happy.

My point is that those who didn't watch this episode haven't missed anything (improtant) they did not know about already. That isn't bad an sich, yet I really liked how GRRM managed to end almost every chapter in the books with something new and interesting that made you long for more. I honesty cannot say that about this episode.

[Degs29]

simfamSP wrote...

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simfamSP wrote...

DukeOfNukes wrote...

Did I miss something? What about that episode was misogynistic?

My guess is Ross' role in the series. Which is blowing things out of proportion here.

I seriously don't know how you can call this episode misogynistic when you had TYWIN FREAKING LANNISTER getting a taste of his own medicine by the FREAKING QUEEN OF THORNS. No one in the Seven Kingdoms has the cojones to snap his quill xD

Actually, her snapping his quill was basically her giving in to his proposal: either allow Loras to marry Cersei or Tywin will make him a Kingsguard instead, which will make him un-marriable (is that a word? lol) and the Tyrell name will have that much less of a future.  Is that how the rest of you took that?

It was still a symbolic middle-finger. Yes, she lost the exchange, but that doesn't mean misogyny. All that's saying is that Tywin is a better player, which he is.

I still think they'll stick the books and have Loras made a Kingsgaurd. So how ever you want to interpret it, she lost both ways.

Ahh, okay.  For a minute there I wasn't sure if she accepted the marriage pact or not.

As for Loras, I have a feeling he'll be made Kingsguard in season 5. (Book 4)

[Degs29]

AshedMan wrote...
Episode 4 was the best of this season!  (so far)  It had plenty of action and a fantastic ending.  The two episodes since had no thrilling ending or cliff hanger by any means.  

Interesting.  I thought episode 5 was the the best of the series.  I really enjoyed it.

Episode 6 was relatively slow-moving in comparison.  But considering the pace of the previous two episodes, maybe that's not a bad thing.

[LPPrince]

Esme Bianco/Ros Interview

Poor girl was a book reader

[MisterJB]

I understand that pain and fear does nothing good for one's mental faculties and that Theon is in a lot of both right now but seriously? You're tied to a cross and being flayed alive! Who could it possibly be?
Obviously, it must be the Karstarks. Did Luwin really fail to impart him any wisdom at all about the second most powerful House in the North?

Modifié par MisterJB, 07 mai 2013 - 11:49 .

[-Skorpious-]

MisterJB wrote...

I understand that pain and fear does nothing good for one's mental faculties and that Theon is in a lot of both right now but seriously? You're tied to a cross and being flayed alive! Who could it possibly be?
Obviously, it must be the Karstarks. Did Luwin really fail to impart him any wisdom at all about the second most powerful House in the North?

Theon can't tell us what house his captor belongs to because it's a spoiler!

Hey, Theon, even if he is being tortured at the moment, doesn't want to get fired for revealing critical plot points. 

[Degs29]

-Skorpious- wrote...
Hey, Theon, even if he is being tortured at the moment, doesn't want to get fired for revealing critical plot points. 

He's my hero.

This thread could use some more Theons lol

[Cainhurst Crow]

Just watched the episode, and I have to say I don't understand what all the hating is about.

[Degs29]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Just watched the episode, and I have to say I don't understand what all the hating is about.

You mean the claims of misogyny?

Personally, I don't get it.  We all knew Joffrey is an ass and that Littlefinger can be cruel to "bad investments".  It's not like the show was idolizing their actions.  I guess many saw Roz as a hero for having escaped prostitution, a career many deem to be a case of men subjugating women.  Could be that's why they're angry.  She ended up falling prey to a man with certain sexual perversions anyway.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Well yes, the misogyny part, but also complaints about there not being enough action, complaints about tywin and ramsey, and generally complaining about this episode going on.

Tywin was using his example of loras's homosexuality as a means to try and intimidate the queen of thrones, and her not being affected by it was to disarm what she thought was his main weapon over her, her legacy, which to him is more important than anything. Joffery we have seen as a psychopath sadist, and littlefinger as willing to sell someone to someone who would do horrible things, so it shouldn't surprise anyone that if he discovered ros was spying on him, that would be her fate. And theon isn't exactly in the right state of mind to even answer a question, dehydrated, starving, and constantly in pain, his minds shut down and all he's doing at this point is trying to say anything to make the pain stop. And the entire episode is meant as a connecting point for the other 3 episodes to come, a way to show that bad things are on the horizon, but that there may also be hope for some of the characters. I persoanlly thouroughly enjoy these types of episodes, since they give a much needed break from the constant death and destruction of everyone and lead to a much needed expanding of characters personalities, motives, and actions.

It puzzles me how this episode is considered bad by some people.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 09 mai 2013 - 05:16 .

[LPPrince]

'plainers gonna 'plain

[legion999]

MisterJB wrote...

I understand that pain and fear does nothing good for one's mental faculties and that Theon is in a lot of both right now but seriously? You're tied to a cross and being flayed alive! Who could it possibly be?
Obviously, it must be the Karstarks. Did Luwin really fail to impart him any wisdom at all about the second most powerful House in the North?

Oh, I get it now. He was captured by the Manderlys, right? 

[Degs29]

Darth Brotarian wrote...
It puzzles me how this episode is considered bad by some people.

Oh, I'm with you.  I can't remember there ever being a time when the credits rolled and I thought "gee, that was disappointing".