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[LTD]

Addai67 wrote...

LTD wrote...

*facepalmtree*
Why did they have to turn Daario Naharis into such dickless Orlando Bloom elven ladyboy?

DYED. FUKING. BEARD.

Daario made me facepalm every time he appeared on a page, so par for the course there.  I actually like the screen version better.

Aaaahh I dunno, I welcomed Daario and all other elements mortalizing Dany up in Dance.  It hadn't been bad if there weren't so much of it! Or rather, if all of the much of it hadn't gotten so dutifully reported by GRRM.

You just can't have Daario  without kinky decadent blue sex beard:( It is absurd. like imaginign movie- Legolas that looks like a male.

Modifié par LTD, 21 mai 2013 - 09:57 .

[Degs29]

LTD wrote...
Aaaahh I dunno, I welcomed Daario and all other elements mortalizing Dany up in Dance.  It hadn't been bad if there weren't so much of it! Or rather, if all of the much of it hadn't gotten so dutifully reported by GRRM.

You just can't have Daario  without kinky decadent blue sex beard:( It is absurd. like imaginign movie- Legolas that looks like a male.

Only Daario can 1-up Dany in terms of pure ****iness.  I find his personality to be infuriating.  It's the same reason I don't really like Daenarys that much as a character, just multiplied tenfold. 

[MisterJB]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

So stannis baratheon is directly responsible for the red wedding and for the whole kings landing tragedy, and for getting One-eye McBluelips in power?

Only if you believe R'hllor is real.
I'll convert if naked cougar priestesses sitting on your lap is a common form of worship.
If Alesters and Moqorros are more common than Melisandres, I'm out.

Modifié par MisterJB, 21 mai 2013 - 12:22 .

[MisterJB]

Jonathan28 wrote...

Nice to see the continuing whitewashing of Tyrion in the show, it never ceases to amaze me.

The show WOULD be more entertaining if Tyrion slapped Shae and said "YOU MADE ME DO THIS!"
Because he totally does in the books, that's not a joke. And it's not a spoiler either since it was supposed to have happened last season.

Modifié par MisterJB, 21 mai 2013 - 12:33 .

[LPPrince]

loool

At least we can count on tears to flow

(and not just from the eyes of viewers)

[Cainhurst Crow]

MisterJB wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

So stannis baratheon is directly responsible for the red wedding and for the whole kings landing tragedy, and for getting One-eye McBluelips in power?

Only if you believe R'hllor is real.
I'll convert if naked cougar priestesses sitting on your lap is a common form of worship.
If Alesters and Moqorros are more common than Melisandres, I'm out.

My whole skepticism of R'hllor went out the window when shadow baby assassins, flaming swords on command, and coming back from the dead became empirically proven feats that were accomplished using whatever power this fire deity has.

I'm taking varys's stance on it, all I know is that these people asked for something, and something is granting it to them.

[TobiTobsen]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

So stannis baratheon is directly responsible for the red wedding and for the whole kings landing tragedy, and for getting One-eye McBluelips in power?

Only if you believe R'hllor is real.
I'll convert if naked cougar priestesses sitting on your lap is a common form of worship.
If Alesters and Moqorros are more common than Melisandres, I'm out.

My whole skepticism of R'hllor went out the window when shadow baby assassins, flaming swords on command, and coming back from the dead became empirically proven feats that were accomplished using whatever power this fire deity has.

I'm taking varys's stance on it, all I know is that these people asked for something, and something is granting it to them.

Don't forget Victarions "lava"-arm, thanks to Moqorro.

You've got to give the Red Priests credit for the fact that they can back up their gospel with more than just hollow words. Only the Old Gods and their Greenseers and Wargs can keep up with that, but R'hllors powers seem to be more widespread (if we believe that every Red Priest can work those feats) and varied than simple dreaming and skinchanging.

If those red dudes would let go of this nasty black and white thinking and the human sacrifices I would sign up for some R'hllor magic lessons in an instant!

[LTD]

Darth Brotarian wrote...


My whole skepticism of R'hllor went out the window when shadow baby assassins, flaming swords on command, and coming back from the dead became empirically proven feats that were accomplished using whatever power this fire deity has.

I really enjoyed the fashion first book handles what we'd call supernatural.  You had beyond- the-wall and across- the-narrow-sea, both made to look foreign, strange and exotic to POV people and reader alike. - These were the places where you could just as well get killed by ice zombie or see naked blonde ****es walk out of fire after giving pseudo-birth to baby dragons...
...And theeen you had this safe, familiar cosy Westeros being pretty much low fantasy where magic is quickly becoming just a tale of wet nurses and dragons live as wall decorations only.

I liked this contrast and 'ruleset' it provided to each location. Obviously these different realities were destined to  come crashing each othern sooner or  later.. but when it began happening, it was too much and too fast. Shadow baby business and ppl getting mmo resurrections is pretty long road from atmosphere of the 1st book.   By now "Wizard did it" can solve literally every single problem and question.  I fear come  last book " Well, why didn't Gandalf just cancel winter, teleport King's Landing to north and then ride the giant eagle to Ramsay's castle and kill him on sight?" is gonna be a perfectly reasonable thing to ask.

When Ned got offed, that was it. Game of Thrones(the book) taught you a  valuable lesson of  how offing a head of somebody means that it is pretty much a game over.  Some four books of high(er) fantasy indoctrination and there is absolutely no reason to assume that Major *le gasp* Events at very end of Dance mean fuk all.

Modifié par LTD, 21 mai 2013 - 07:22 .

[MisterJB]

SPOILERS

Dance With Dragons confirmed that the Old Gods are a misinterpretation. They are, in fact, the spirits of the old Green Seers like Bran who ended up trapped in the Godswood after their bodies died. Westerosi have simply forgotten it with time.
It's a surpernatural phenomenon, certainly, but not a miracle. Likewise, the magical abilities of the Red Priests could simply be an old form of magic that the easterners attribute to a god.
It is also confirmed their fire magic has been increasing in power since the rebirth of the Dragons. Thus, I think it's more likely they are just using magic than actually having prayers answered by an actual, active god.

Still, you have to give the Red Priests credit. People are coming back from the dead: Beric Dondarrion can set his sword ablaze whenever he feels like it; shadow assassins are definitively real; The Long Night IS coming; the Others are vulnerable to dragonglass; Melisandre and Moqorro have a pretty good record of seeing visions in the flames that came to be true; Melisandre survived drinking poison; all the kings Stannis cursed died.

If I had to pray to someone in the Song of Ice and Fire universe, it would definitively be R'hllor.

Modifié par MisterJB, 21 mai 2013 - 07:59 .

[Addai]

George does quite a deft job of making you believe in and yet hate a god. I agree, though, it's probably more of a force than a personal being. The rules in the universe seem to be that magic is possible under certain conditions and always with a high cost. And there again, GRRM gets you asking how high a cost you'd accept for what you want.

As for bluebeard, they already established that they're not doing painted hair. I saw one of the horses painted blue, that might have been a nod to the custom while keeping the stars pretty.

[TheRealJayDee]

Daario is one of the characters I disliked most in the books. Somehow his less flamboyant appearance in the show makes me dislike him even more.

[LPPrince]

Davos, Arya, and Melisandre. D'aww

https://pbs.twimg.co...A5YAy.jpg:large

[TheRealJayDee]

So, who now imagines how the story would have to play out so that in the end of ASOIAF Davos ends up on the Iron Throne, marries Melisandre and they adopt Arya?!

[LPPrince]

Funny thing is, thats possible.

[TheRealJayDee]

It would be really funny if it actually ended anything like that. I'd luv it...!

[LPPrince]

That would be weird as hell though

[Cainhurst Crow]

Davos for king, he can run with the other million people trying to get their butts on the point chair of Tetanus.

[Straw Nihilist]

As long as it's not Daenerys.

[LPPrince]

The chair's quite comfortable(sat in an exact replica at the HBO Game of Thrones exhibit), so clearly they need to sharpen it up a little

[Cainhurst Crow]

How about we all make a "I support..." statement about what we want to see in the future.

For example,

I support ramsey being eaten by drogon.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 22 mai 2013 - 05:08 .

[CronoDragoon]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

So stannis baratheon is directly responsible for the red wedding and for the whole kings landing tragedy, and for getting One-eye McBluelips in power?

Nah. While I believe there's definitely something supernatural answering the Red Priests, it's easy to see the historical reasons why each of those died. The problem of course is that Stannis is going to believe that Stannis is directly responsible. Poor Davos.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 22 mai 2013 - 05:11 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

So stannis baratheon is directly responsible for the red wedding and for the whole kings landing tragedy, and for getting One-eye McBluelips in power?

Nah. While I believe there's definitely something supernatural answering the Red Priests, it's easy to see the historical reasons why each of those died. The problem of course is that Stannis is going to believe that Stannis is directly responsible. Poor Davos.

I don't know, coincidence is something I believe in, but there are some things that push what is coincidence and what is influenced in part by something else.

[CronoDragoon]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

I don't know, coincidence is something I believe in, but there are some things that push what is coincidence and what is influenced in part by something else.

But I'm saying it's not a coincidence at all. A lot of people die in Game of Thrones. I don't think it's a coincidence that rebel leaders get offed during the course of a rebellion, especially with every House only looking out for themselves. Even before Melisandre the Freys were established as cutthroats with no special loyalty. Balon is old and doesn't quite know it. Joffrey is a a well-known monster and Olenna a well-known schemer.

Although you could say the timing of all this is definitely coincidental.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 22 mai 2013 - 05:48 .