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[Seagloom]

Yeah, Melisandre immediately sprung to mind. Of course I have been keeping my eyes peeled for any hint of her from episode one. Also looking forward to her supposed POV chapter in ADWD.

Watching the episode again as I type this, I noticed they foreshadowed the Faceless Men too. I do not think they are going for mystery so much as suspense. They probably want viewers who are unfamiliar with the books to know something big is building. The suspense is in anticipation of established plot threads culminating rather than revelations. It would not surprise me if the writers and director are banking on the story's series of shocking events to blow people's minds rather than unraveling mysteries. TV shows tend to go that way. It makes for more riveting season finales.

Modifié par Seagloom, 09 mai 2011 - 03:40 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

Now I haven't read the books but the black watch seems to be in no condition to fight, I'm eagerly awaiting to see what goes on up there.

[Catspaw]

ReconTeam wrote...

Now I haven't read the books but the black watch seems to be in no condition to fight, I'm eagerly awaiting to see what goes on up there.

They're not. They do get better, but it's showing that The Watch has been ignored for a long time. Most of the "recruits" they get are the dregs of society and few are like Jon Snow who at least had some training. I'm a bit disappointed that Ser Alisser Thorne is coming across as a well seasoned, tough training officer and not the petty entitled jerk he is in the book.

To those who mentioned premature revelations: I'm also wondering why we seem to be hit in the face with spoilers in the show that take a much longer time to develop in the books. I don't really think there will be a "Eureka Moment" when we find out certain things at the end. By then, everyone will have figured it out and it won't be the huge surprise it was in the book.

I wondered how they were going to treat the 3 eyed crow or just ignore it. I'm sure that left people unfamiliar with the story scratching their heads. There was no flying? Interesting.

[LTD]

It is getting little bothersome how some scenes that'd do well to have a scale between big and massive insist on remaining so damn modest. Tournament of the hand was outright sloppy work; scale and overall effort present made the scene look like an outake from some highschool film project rather than huge big tourney on a super expensive HBO extravaganza.

The complete void of satisfactory scale when it comes to larger scenes such as Dani&Droko's wedding, Khalasar on the move and Hand's tourney kinda make it easy to worry about the coming battles. I wouldn't be surprised if they were fought exclusively on map.

Modifié par LTD, 09 mai 2011 - 03:30 .

[Addai]

There has to be more to the tournament, right? I assumed we'll see more. I mean, Knight of Flowers! Sansa has to see him there.

[LTD]

Addai67 wrote...

There has to be more to the tournament, right? I assumed we'll see more. I mean, Knight of Flowers! Sansa has to see him there.

I hope you are right. Seems kinda unlikely though. There have already been few scenes after the tourney and no episode has begun without large-ish time jump away from events of previous eppy. If we see more of the tourney, it'll mark a significant change in phase. I'd welcome it tbh. There is such a massive rush present. Majority ofscenes aren't getting the breathing space or time they'd deserve. I'd much rather see even large steps away from book's story line than this nearly ever present rush and 20 second lasting tourneys.

...Still love it though:p But I'm having hard time imagining I'd manage to enjoy any of this without being familiar with the book(s) 

Modifié par LTD, 09 mai 2011 - 03:31 .

[Addai]

I just can't imagine they won't show Ser Loras unhorsing the Mountain. That's such a huge moment. That would have been a much more effective introduction to Gregor Clegane than Littlefinger's story time. Leave the story of the Hound's face to when he and Sansa are having creepy alone time.

Like Seagloom, I'm left a little confused at where threads are going and how they're going to be brought together. Dany is khaleesi'ing up nicely, though. And I'm still in fangirl squee over Jon and Ghost, brief as the moment was.

[Brockololly]

Addai67 wrote...

There has to be more to the tournament, right? I assumed we'll see more. I mean, Knight of Flowers! Sansa has to see him there.

Definitely- and the Mountain and the Hound need to fight!

I think the show is doing pretty good as an adaptation of the book but you do definitely lose some of the sense of progression without the internal monologues for characters like Dany.  It kind of reminds me of The Wire in the sense that its definitely a show that you can't really judge episode to episode but have to take each season as a whole.

Still, it seems like some things are kind of being beaten over the head and made pretty obvious. Or maybe its just obvious given I've read the book.

The only thing that really bugged me with the last episode was having Littlefinger talk to Sansa about the Hound- I really liked the scene in the book, having the Hound talk to Sansa, as it fleshed out that relationship for the future a bit.

[Addai]

I think there has to be more tournament. I seem to recall the actors chatting on Twitter about that Mountain vs. Hound scene.

[naughty99]

LTD wrote...

It is getting little bothersome how some scenes that'd do well to have a scale between big and massive insist on remaining so damn modest. Tournament of the hand was outright sloppy work; scale and overall effort present made the scene look like an outake from some highschool film project rather than huge big tourney on a super expensive HBO extravaganza.
 

I think it was appropriate for the naturalistic approach they have taken.

The tourney being too huge would have been a bit like the stereotypical jousting scene in a King Arthur movie, etc.

It is a big, expensive event from the perspective of the inhabitants of King's Landing, and there are visitors flooding the city, but realistically, there would not have been a crowd like the superbowl or world cup.

It is still a pretty small city by modern standards. Consider the total number of guards in the City Watch, even when their numbers swelled to deal with the [SPOILER].

[LTD]

naughty99 wrote...

LTD wrote...

It is getting little bothersome how some scenes that'd do well to have a scale between big and massive insist on remaining so damn modest. Tournament of the hand was outright sloppy work; scale and overall effort present made the scene look like an outake from some highschool film project rather than huge big tourney on a super expensive HBO extravaganza.
 

I think it was appropriate for the naturalistic approach they have taken.

The tourney being too huge would have been a bit like the stereotypical jousting scene in a King Arthur movie, etc.

It is a big, expensive event from the perspective of the inhabitants of King's Landing, and there are visitors flooding the city, but realistically, there would not have been a crowd like the superbowl or world cup.

It is still a pretty small city by modern standards. Consider the total number of guards in the City Watch, even when their numbers swelled to deal with the [SPOILER].

Ugly wh0res, castles going through varying stages of decay, dirty inns,teethles peasants, people pissing over the wall..imo these are reflections of the naturalistic approach taken.  Tourney scene with two knights and some 50 extras is  a set motivated highschool class could build in an afternoon.It is lazy and poorly executed production of a scene, nothing else.

Song of Ice an d Fire and Hedge Knight both paint a very clear picture of tournaments being huge events in Seven Kingdoms, economically,socially and culturally.  Think of the vibe Olympics bring, rather than atmosphere of some bi-weekly junior league football game with bored soccer mom audience, which HBO's tourney looked.

King's Landing is still a pretty small city by modern standards

Not really..Tyrion and slighty more real  G.R.R Martin both have stated it has population of 500.000 or so.

Modifié par LTD, 09 mai 2011 - 07:39 .

[Brockololly]

Yeah, the other little nitpick with the tournament scene is how it seems clearly NOT in or around King's Landing but some random green, wooded area. From what little we've seen of King's Landing thus far it looks rather arid and Mediterranean and yet the tournament scene looked rather temperate with lots of green and some pine trees and such in the backdrop.

A nitpick, but kind of annoying, considering I think King's Landing looks too desert like on the show as is- I always pictured it warmer, but maybe more like southern France.

[naughty99]

LTD wrote...

Not really..Tyrion and slighty more real  G.R.R Martin both have stated it has population of 500.000 or so.

Wow, I missed that quote. That is truly huge.

That would seem to make the number of men in the City Watch pretty ridiculous. 

For contrast, during the Middle Ages (after the Normans took over), London's population was only around 15,000. 

Modifié par naughty99, 09 mai 2011 - 08:32 .

[HoonDing]

I think the general audience will lose interest if things don't start to pick up quickly. Heads need to start rolling.

[TJPags]

Addai67 wrote...

I think there has to be more tournament. I seem to recall the actors chatting on Twitter about that Mountain vs. Hound scene.

I'd hope so.  That scene, and the one at the banquet before the melee, Ned and Robert the next morning . . . .

Mountain v Hound was big character develoment moment in the book.

Robert at the banquet, Robert and Ned next morning were strong foreshadowing moments.  Then again, may have been too subtle for the way they're doing the series.

I'm starting to think that, unless they slow the pacing of the series down, we're getting some of Clash of Kings in this season . . .

[naughty99]

TJPags wrote...

I'm starting to think that, unless they slow the pacing of the series down, we're getting some of Clash of Kings in this season . . .

yeah they had to mix up some of the storylines from the 2nd book to make the series flow 

for example Hot Pie has some scenes during this season

[TJPags]

naughty99 wrote...

TJPags wrote...

I'm starting to think that, unless they slow the pacing of the series down, we're getting some of Clash of Kings in this season . . .

yeah they had to mix up some of the storylines from the 2nd book to make the series flow 

for example Hot Pie has some scenes during this season

Disappointing . . . .

[Brockololly]

hehehe

[ximena]

@episodes

As far as I've seen in the episode listings floating around tumblr, HBO summarized GoT in 10 episodes. Here be rather spoilerrific episode 8-10 details (Spoilerrific mostly for non-readers) Well... better than the whole book being squashed into 60-or-so movie minutes? XD

Modifié par ximena, 10 mai 2011 - 12:58 .

[Seagloom]

Interesting to see those spoilers, thanks. At least now we know the main plot is not completely different from the book. Did they announce how many episodes are in season two? I think ten is too short. They will choke the life from GRRM's novels otherwise. It might be nice if they split the later novels into two seasons, but I doubt the program will last long enough to do it. :/

Those Ned/Jaime panels are messed up. XD

[Brockololly]

Seagloom wrote...

Interesting to see those spoilers, thanks. At least now we know the main plot is not completely different from the book. Did they announce how many episodes are in season two? I think ten is too short. They will choke the life from GRRM's novels otherwise. It might be nice if they split the later novels into two seasons, but I doubt the program will last long enough to do it. :/

Those Ned/Jaime panels are messed up. XD

I think season 2 is going to only be 10 episodes, or at least I thought I recalled reading that somewhere....well, you have this from Martin on season 2 anyways:

From me again: I'm thrilled.

Ten more episodes! A CLASH OF KINGS.

Looks like I'll be writing the Battle of the Blackwater. David & Dan give me the easy stuff.

P.S.
A late correction. Actually, I don't KNOW how many more episodes.  Could be ten. Could be more. Could even be fewer, I suppose, though I  don't really think so.

Myself, I'd love to see twelve episodes this  second time around, since CLASH is a hundred pages longer than GAME.

But that's a call for HBO and Dan and David, and I am sure they will let us know once it's made.

But yeah, I often feel like things are pretty quick with Game of Thrones, so it would likely feel even more jumpy when you introduce even more characters and such as the books go on.

But I do recall either Martin or the showrunners saying before how if they got to the 3rd or 4th book they'd likely split those up into different seasons for the show.

Then again, its a rare thing that HBO seems to give big expensive shows like Rome or Deadwood anything more than 2 or 3 seasons:(

Modifié par Brockololly, 10 mai 2011 - 02:56 .

[Seagloom]

Can't wait to see who they choose to play Melisandre. Anyway, yes, that is my expectation too. The chances of this show covering the entire story is practically impossible. Putting aside that GRRM is still two books away from completion, I find it hard to believe HBO will stick with the series that long. Even "the Sopranos" and "Six Feet Under" did not last for as many seasons as they would need.

[Addai]

Troll Jaime is morbidly hilarious.

I am also highly anticipating who they'll get to play Mance Rayder. He's one of my favorites. And of course Ygritte!

[HoonDing]

These episodes fly by way too quickly. It's like a fantasy version of Dallas.

[Maria13]

I agree... When yesterday's ep came to an end I was like, "What! It's finished already..." Now a week's wait.