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HBO's Game of Thrones
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Posté 24 mai 2013 - 05:40
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Posté 24 mai 2013 - 05:52
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The books have extensive lore to them and the narrative is driven more by how many of these characters are bouncing around off of each other than individual journeys but for a few characters (mostly in the Stark family and Dany herself)...
And that's basically just how it runs when you're trying to manage seven kingdoms with a load of lords and families. It's pretty much GRRM's style at this point? Gendry might never amount to anything related to his bloodline in the books and that's quite similar to a lot (i.e. almost all?) other characters have a catalyst that sets off their journey, only for it to take them anywhere, with the end result ... not seeming very important. Just a lot of characters who serve as windows into a family, or peasant life at the moment, etc, with the bigger picture being more of the point.
It's not like GRRM does it amazingly, but I'm pretty forgiving of it and I don't expect much other than superficial anticlimax for a lot of the loose ends that are still driving throughout the books
Books and shows like Legend of the Galactic Heroes did this too (although ASOIAF isn't nearly to that extent) and it's not like lazy writing, it's just somethin' else
I'll bite my tongue sheepishly if every traditional setup does in fact get a traditional payoff.
And that's basically just how it runs when you're trying to manage seven kingdoms with a load of lords and families. It's pretty much GRRM's style at this point? Gendry might never amount to anything related to his bloodline in the books and that's quite similar to a lot (i.e. almost all?) other characters have a catalyst that sets off their journey, only for it to take them anywhere, with the end result ... not seeming very important. Just a lot of characters who serve as windows into a family, or peasant life at the moment, etc, with the bigger picture being more of the point.
It's not like GRRM does it amazingly, but I'm pretty forgiving of it and I don't expect much other than superficial anticlimax for a lot of the loose ends that are still driving throughout the books
Books and shows like Legend of the Galactic Heroes did this too (although ASOIAF isn't nearly to that extent) and it's not like lazy writing, it's just somethin' else
I'll bite my tongue sheepishly if every traditional setup does in fact get a traditional payoff.
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Posté 24 mai 2013 - 05:55
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Haha, well, the show will likely finish before the books do so...
And much faster than I'd imagined...
The way things are going...I have a feeling AFoC and ADwD will be covered over a single season. They're already working in some of the elements from the later books (i.e. Theon's arc from ADwD)
Next season will continue to do this; Arya going to Braavos whereas in the books her story is dragged out all the way through ASoS, Stannis marching beyond on the Wall and then on Deepwood Motte, Sansa to the Vale, the events in Dorne, Dany in Mereen and so on.
And besides, there's so much stuff that can be cut from the last two books. By the end of Season 5, the show will have caught up to the books.
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Darth Brotarian wrote...
Throw them through the moon door.
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We might need to call Prothy the Prothean.
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Posté 25 mai 2013 - 09:43
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Small spoilers....
Does anyone else hope that Septon Merigold's monologue about the Broken Men (army deserters turned bandits) makes it into the series at some point? I think that was Martin's best passage in the series, and assuming they get an actor whose acting ability can match the dialogue, that might have the potential to rival Clint's Speech for one of the best monologues in film history.
"My lady?” said Podrick. “Is a broken man an outlaw?”
“More or less,” Brienne answered.
Septon Meribald disagreed. “More less than more. There are many sorts of outlaws, just as there are many sorts of birds. A sandpiper and a sea eagle both have wings, but they are not the same. The singers love to sing of good men forced to go outside the law to fight some wicked lord, but most outlaws are more like this ravening Hound than they are the lightning lord. They are evil men, driven by greed, soured by malice, despising the gods and caring only for themselves. Broken men are more deserving of our pity, though they may be just as dangerous. Almost all are common-born, simple folk who had never been more than a mile from the house where they were born until the day some lord came round to take them off to war. Poorly shod and poorly clad, they march away beneath his banners, ofttimes with no better arms than a sickle or a sharpened hoe, or a maul they made themselves by lashing a stone to a stick with strips of hide. Brothers march with brothers, sons with fathers, friends with friends. They’ve heard the songs and stories, so they go off with eager hearts, dreaming of the wonders they will see, of the wealth and glory they will win. War seems a fine adventure, the greatest most of them will ever know.
“Then they get a taste of battle.
“For some, that one taste is enough to break them. Others go on for years, until they lose count of all the battles they have fought in, but even a man who has survived a hundred fights can break in his hundred-and-first. Brothers watch their brothers die, fathers lose their sons, friends see their friends trying to hold their entrails in after they’ve been gutted by an axe.
“They see the lord who led them there cut down, and some other lord shouts that they are his now. They take a wound, and when that’s still half-healed they take another. There is never enough to eat, their shoes fall to pieces from the marching, their clothes are torn and rotting, and half of them are sh-ting in their breeches from drinking bad water.
“If they want new boots or a warmer cloak or maybe a rusted iron halfhelm, they need to take them from a corpse, and before long they are stealing from the living too, from the smallfolk whose lands they’re fighting in, men very like the men they used to be. They slaughter their sheep and steal their chickens, and from there it’s just a short step to carrying off their daughters too. And one day they look around and realize all their friends and kin are gone, that they are fighting beside strangers beneath a banner that they hardly recognize. They don’t know where they are or how to get back home and the lord they’re fighting for does not know their names, yet here he comes, shouting for them to form up, to make a line with their spears and scythes and sharpened hoes, to stand their ground. And the knights come down on them, faceless men clad all in steel, and the iron thunder of their charge seems to fill the world …
“And the man breaks.
“He turns and runs, or crawls off afterward over the corpses of the slain, or steals away in the black of night, and he finds someplace to hide. All thought of home is gone by then, and kings and lords and gods mean less to him than a haunch of spoiled meat that will let him live another day, or a skin of bad wine that might drown his fear for a few hours. The broken man lives from day to day, from meal to meal, more beast than man. Lady Brienne is not wrong. In times like these, the traveler must beware of broken men, and fear them … but he should pity them as well.”
When Meribald was finished a profound silence fell upon their little band. Brienne could hear the wind rustling through a clump of p-ssywillows, and farther off the faint cry of a loon. She could hear Dog panting softly as he loped along beside the septon and his donkey, tongue lolling from his mouth. The quiet stretched and stretched, until finally she said, “How old were you when they marched you off to war?”
“Why, no older than your boy,” Meribald replied. “Too young for such, in truth, but my brothers were all going, and I would not be left behind. Willam said I could be his squire, though Will was no knight, only a potboy armed with a kitchen knife he’d stolen from the inn. He died upon the Stepstones, and never struck a blow. It was fever did for him, and for my brother Robin. Owen died from a mace that split his head apart, and his friend Jon Pox was hanged for rape.”
“The War of the Ninepenny Kings?” asked Hyle Hunt.
“So they called it, though I never saw a king, nor earned a penny. It was a war, though. That it was.”
Does anyone else hope that Septon Merigold's monologue about the Broken Men (army deserters turned bandits) makes it into the series at some point? I think that was Martin's best passage in the series, and assuming they get an actor whose acting ability can match the dialogue, that might have the potential to rival Clint's Speech for one of the best monologues in film history.
"My lady?” said Podrick. “Is a broken man an outlaw?”
“More or less,” Brienne answered.
Septon Meribald disagreed. “More less than more. There are many sorts of outlaws, just as there are many sorts of birds. A sandpiper and a sea eagle both have wings, but they are not the same. The singers love to sing of good men forced to go outside the law to fight some wicked lord, but most outlaws are more like this ravening Hound than they are the lightning lord. They are evil men, driven by greed, soured by malice, despising the gods and caring only for themselves. Broken men are more deserving of our pity, though they may be just as dangerous. Almost all are common-born, simple folk who had never been more than a mile from the house where they were born until the day some lord came round to take them off to war. Poorly shod and poorly clad, they march away beneath his banners, ofttimes with no better arms than a sickle or a sharpened hoe, or a maul they made themselves by lashing a stone to a stick with strips of hide. Brothers march with brothers, sons with fathers, friends with friends. They’ve heard the songs and stories, so they go off with eager hearts, dreaming of the wonders they will see, of the wealth and glory they will win. War seems a fine adventure, the greatest most of them will ever know.
“Then they get a taste of battle.
“For some, that one taste is enough to break them. Others go on for years, until they lose count of all the battles they have fought in, but even a man who has survived a hundred fights can break in his hundred-and-first. Brothers watch their brothers die, fathers lose their sons, friends see their friends trying to hold their entrails in after they’ve been gutted by an axe.
“They see the lord who led them there cut down, and some other lord shouts that they are his now. They take a wound, and when that’s still half-healed they take another. There is never enough to eat, their shoes fall to pieces from the marching, their clothes are torn and rotting, and half of them are sh-ting in their breeches from drinking bad water.
“If they want new boots or a warmer cloak or maybe a rusted iron halfhelm, they need to take them from a corpse, and before long they are stealing from the living too, from the smallfolk whose lands they’re fighting in, men very like the men they used to be. They slaughter their sheep and steal their chickens, and from there it’s just a short step to carrying off their daughters too. And one day they look around and realize all their friends and kin are gone, that they are fighting beside strangers beneath a banner that they hardly recognize. They don’t know where they are or how to get back home and the lord they’re fighting for does not know their names, yet here he comes, shouting for them to form up, to make a line with their spears and scythes and sharpened hoes, to stand their ground. And the knights come down on them, faceless men clad all in steel, and the iron thunder of their charge seems to fill the world …
“And the man breaks.
“He turns and runs, or crawls off afterward over the corpses of the slain, or steals away in the black of night, and he finds someplace to hide. All thought of home is gone by then, and kings and lords and gods mean less to him than a haunch of spoiled meat that will let him live another day, or a skin of bad wine that might drown his fear for a few hours. The broken man lives from day to day, from meal to meal, more beast than man. Lady Brienne is not wrong. In times like these, the traveler must beware of broken men, and fear them … but he should pity them as well.”
When Meribald was finished a profound silence fell upon their little band. Brienne could hear the wind rustling through a clump of p-ssywillows, and farther off the faint cry of a loon. She could hear Dog panting softly as he loped along beside the septon and his donkey, tongue lolling from his mouth. The quiet stretched and stretched, until finally she said, “How old were you when they marched you off to war?”
“Why, no older than your boy,” Meribald replied. “Too young for such, in truth, but my brothers were all going, and I would not be left behind. Willam said I could be his squire, though Will was no knight, only a potboy armed with a kitchen knife he’d stolen from the inn. He died upon the Stepstones, and never struck a blow. It was fever did for him, and for my brother Robin. Owen died from a mace that split his head apart, and his friend Jon Pox was hanged for rape.”
“The War of the Ninepenny Kings?” asked Hyle Hunt.
“So they called it, though I never saw a king, nor earned a penny. It was a war, though. That it was.”
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Posté 25 mai 2013 - 09:50
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Hopefully it does. But if that makes it in and the Manderlys' two awesome speechs don't...
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Posté 25 mai 2013 - 09:56
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legion999 wrote...
Hopefully it does. But if that makes it in and the Manderlys' two awesome speechs don't...
...and his awesomely delicious pies!
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Posté 25 mai 2013 - 10:18
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Han Shot First wrote...
legion999 wrote...
Hopefully it does. But if that makes it in and the Manderlys' two awesome speechs don't...
...and his awesomely delicious pies!
That goes without saying.
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Posté 25 mai 2013 - 11:52
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I want to see Tytos Blackwood and his feather cloak.
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Posté 26 mai 2013 - 04:28
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*BOOK SPOILER*
Just recently finished reading the incident at the Twins. I have to say, I was left with a very bittersweet feeling after I read it. Even though I didn't really care much for Robb and Catelyn for various reasons, I was still quite fond of them as characters, and seeing them go like that did touch me on an emotional level. Though I think that was mostly b/c of GRRM's writing. I'm glad I decided to read the experience.
Though after learning Tywin's involvement in the incident, I couldn't help myself to smile. Finally I fully got to experience Tywin's magnificence! And I now desperately hope his quote "Some wars are won with quills and ravens" turns up in the episode ending scene. I will enjoy people's tears with the upcoming event.
Just recently finished reading the incident at the Twins. I have to say, I was left with a very bittersweet feeling after I read it. Even though I didn't really care much for Robb and Catelyn for various reasons, I was still quite fond of them as characters, and seeing them go like that did touch me on an emotional level. Though I think that was mostly b/c of GRRM's writing. I'm glad I decided to read the experience.
Though after learning Tywin's involvement in the incident, I couldn't help myself to smile. Finally I fully got to experience Tywin's magnificence! And I now desperately hope his quote "Some wars are won with quills and ravens" turns up in the episode ending scene. I will enjoy people's tears with the upcoming event.
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Posté 26 mai 2013 - 05:02
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Keep reading there are worse details of that event still to comeChewin3 wrote...
*BOOK SPOILER*
Just recently finished reading the incident at the Twins. I have to say, I was left with a very bittersweet feeling after I read it. Even though I didn't really care much for Robb and Catelyn for various reasons, I was still quite fond of them as characters, and seeing them go like that did touch me on an emotional level. Though I think that was mostly b/c of GRRM's writing. I'm glad I decided to read the experience.
Though after learning Tywin's involvement in the incident, I couldn't help myself to smile. Finally I fully got to experience Tywin's magnificence! And I now desperately hope his quote "Some wars are won with quills and ravens" turns up in the episode ending scene. I will enjoy people's tears with the upcoming event.
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Posté 26 mai 2013 - 05:54
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Chewin3 wrote...
*BOOK SPOILER*
Just recently finished reading the incident at the Twins. I have to say, I was left with a very bittersweet feeling after I read it. Even though I didn't really care much for Robb and Catelyn for various reasons, I was still quite fond of them as characters, and seeing them go like that did touch me on an emotional level. Though I think that was mostly b/c of GRRM's writing. I'm glad I decided to read the experience.
Though after learning Tywin's involvement in the incident, I couldn't help myself to smile. Finally I fully got to experience Tywin's magnificence! And I now desperately hope his quote "Some wars are won with quills and ravens" turns up in the episode ending scene. I will enjoy people's tears with the upcoming event.
Well that escalated quickly for you:D Glad you decided to read it. Don't know how the show will portray it, but I doubt it will come as close as scary as it was reading it, esp for me.
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*BOOK SPOILER*
Just recently finished reading the incident at the Twins. I have to say, I was left with a very bittersweet feeling after I read it. Even though I didn't really care much for Robb and Catelyn for various reasons, I was still quite fond of them as characters, and seeing them go like that did touch me on an emotional level. Though I think that was mostly b/c of GRRM's writing. I'm glad I decided to read the experience.
Though after learning Tywin's involvement in the incident, I couldn't help myself to smile. Finally I fully got to experience Tywin's magnificence! And I now desperately hope his quote "Some wars are won with quills and ravens" turns up in the episode ending scene. I will enjoy people's tears with the upcoming event.
I hope so too. GOT has been severely lacking in subtlety lately and the last thing I want is Tywin going "IT WAS ALL MY EVIL PLAN, MUAHAHAHA!!"
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I'd actually enjoy Tywin hamming it up like that, because I like to think of the tv adaption as its own thing in some regards.Tywin shouting at his kids was already an out-of-character moment for him. Why not just go all out and have Charles Dance throw in an evil laughing scene while they're at it.
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Posté 27 mai 2013 - 12:43
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Because so far in the show, Tywin hasn't laughed like that. He's not that kind of guy.
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Posté 27 mai 2013 - 02:53
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Because so far in the show, Tywin hasn't laughed like that. He's not that kind of guy.
He has already smiled though, and that is the first step to deliberate laughter.
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Posté 27 mai 2013 - 04:20
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Posté 27 mai 2013 - 10:48
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Posté 28 mai 2013 - 02:58
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This was good. :happy:RainyDayLover wrote...
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Posté 29 mai 2013 - 08:28
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Four more days until the Rains of Castemere come to a television near you!
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Posté 29 mai 2013 - 08:31
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Ahh yes. 4 more days till I open up another 750ml bottle of Ommegang Brewery's Game of Thrones Iron Throne Blonde Ale and enjoy my book knowledge.
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Ahh yes. 4 more days till I open up another 750ml bottle of Ommegang Brewery's Game of Thrones Iron Throne Blonde Ale and enjoy my book knowledge.
