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[LPPrince]

HiddenInWar wrote...

I kinda want to start watching this show, it looks interesting. Apparently a lot of people die in this episode and that dragon lady is really cool.

Start from the beginning and work your way up. You'll love it(hopefully).

[zeypher]

LOL all the butthurt is amusing. I mean i have not read the books but it was quite obvious from the start of this series that there aint going to be no fairy tail here. So i find people reaction amusing,
" GOT is dead to me"..
You were right this episode has provided for some awesome entertainment.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

HiddenInWar wrote...
\\ and that dragon lady is really cool.

Pfft everyone knows that Stannis the Mannis is the best and rightful King of Westeros! (Seriously though you should watch it from the beginning there's a 78.23% chance you'll love it)

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 04 juin 2013 - 07:51 .

[Fireblader70]

What a great adaptation of the books! Horrific! Gory! Tragic!

With the unnecessary addition of the brutal stabbing of an unborn child, which wasn't even in the books at all. That's too much, I'm sorry. Has no relevance to the plot and is only there for the shock factor.

[Dave of Canada]

Fireblader70 wrote...

With the unnecessary addition of the brutal stabbing of an unborn child, which wasn't even in the books at all. That's too much, I'm sorry. Has no relevance to the plot and is only there for the shock factor.

Despite absolutely hating the Starks, I agree. It's kind of disappointing that they crushed the hope of a legitimate Stark heir possibly returning to Winterfell.

Stoneheart is insane, Sansa is stupid, Arya's plot is going everywhere, Rickon is god knows where and Bran is a tree.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 04 juin 2013 - 08:13 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Fireblader70 wrote...


With the unnecessary addition of the brutal stabbing of an unborn child, which wasn't even in the books at all. That's too much, I'm sorry. Has no relevance to the plot and is only there for the shock factor.

She was carrying the heir to the North.

Did you honestly think there was any way that would end well for her?

It was for shock factor that was true, but it was also for Robb. He gets to watch everything he's struggled for cast down around him because of a bitter old man, a cold hearted betrayer, and his own stupidity.

He played the game and lost.

[Fireblader70]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Fireblader70 wrote...


With the unnecessary addition of the brutal stabbing of an unborn child, which wasn't even in the books at all. That's too much, I'm sorry. Has no relevance to the plot and is only there for the shock factor.

She was carrying the heir to the North.

Did you honestly think there was any way that would end well for her?

It was for shock factor that was true, but it was also for Robb. He gets to watch everything he's struggled for cast down around him because of a bitter old man, a cold hearted betrayer, and his own stupidity.

He played the game and lost.

No, you misunderstand me.

She wasn't pregnant in the books. There was never an heir to the North in the books. In the show, they made her pregnant just so they could have a scene where she is brutally stabbed in the stomach over and over again. Completely unnecessary, irrelevant to the plot, and just plain horrible. The scene would have worked just fine if the stabbing of the unborn child wasn't there - it did in the books, after all.

[Some Geth]

I feel the worst for Talisa, because everyone thought she was a dirty skank mole traitor. And then she gets killed in the most gruesome way possible and it turns out she was just a genuinely kind-hearted nurse who fell in love with a king.

That and I was only shocked about Robb and Cat when I read the book years ago, this time not so much.

Still it was an awful tragedy, but that's what makes it work so well.

Modifié par Some Geth, 04 juin 2013 - 08:27 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Fireblader70 wrote...



No, you misunderstand me.

I am very aware of how things were presented in the books.

The fact that they decided to have her pregnant with the heir to the North in the tv series is what told me that she wasn't going to survive the Red Wedding.

Stabbing her like that repeatedly was over the top and squick/shock inducing but she was never going to survive the RW.

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 04 juin 2013 - 08:30 .

[Fireblader70]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Fireblader70 wrote...



No, you misunderstand me.

I am very aware of how things were presented in the books.

The fact that they decided to have her pregnant with the heir to the North in the tv series is what told me that she wasn't going to survive the Red Wedding.

Stabbing her like that repeatedly was over the top and squick/shock inducing but she was never going to survive the RW.

And what I'm saying is that they never should have made her pregnant in the first place.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Fireblader70 wrote...

And what I'm saying is that they never should have made her pregnant in the first place.

On that I can agree.

I didn't particularly like that part of the adaptation so I just stuck with my "It's an extra way to twist the knife before they kill Robb" angle.

Made things much easier.


It helps that I watched episode 9 with a group of friends who hadn't read the book, their reaction was funny enough to call the whole thing for a win.

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 04 juin 2013 - 08:41 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

Dave of Canada wrote...
Despite absolutely hating the Starks, I agree. It's kind of disappointing that they crushed the hope of a legitimate Stark heir possibly returning to Winterfell.

The fact that Talisa had a more prominent role and was actually revealed to be pregnant had me hoping that a certain theory regarding Jeyne Westerling in the books was true. I was somewhat expecting the Blackfish and her to be sent back to Riverrun before the wedding, or that somehow they would both manage to escape.

But no, they made her more visible only to make the whole event all the more tragic. I applaud how delightfully cruel that was of them, but it also ties up some loose ends. By the end of A Feast for Crows the books have gotten quite complicated in regards to all of the people we are supposed to know. So I suppose it's good to simplify some things.

Maybe Rickon will reappear in a decade or so as a great warrior only to find everybody else is dead.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
Despite absolutely hating the Starks, I agree. It's kind of disappointing that they crushed the hope of a legitimate Stark heir possibly returning to Winterfell.

Maybe Rickon will reappear in a decade or so as a great warrior only to find everybody else is dead. Stannis has claimed his rightful throne...and everybody else is dead.

That's an ending I can live with!

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 04 juin 2013 - 08:43 .

[Some Geth]

If everybody else is dead, would that make Rickon king?

Modifié par Some Geth, 04 juin 2013 - 08:44 .

[Fireblader70]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Fireblader70 wrote...

And what I'm saying is that they never should have made her pregnant in the first place.

On that I can agree.

I didn't particularly like that part of the adaptation so I just stuck with my "It's an extra way to twist the knife before they kill Robb" angle.

Made things much easier.


It helps that I watched episode 9 with a group of friends who hadn't read the book, their reaction was funny enough to call the whole thing for a win.

Fair enough! Yeah, as I said, I think the scene was very well done overall (apart from that bit), and I can't wait to see what my own friends thought of it... *giggles with glee*

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Gendry may have a big role at some stage.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Inquisitor Recon wrote...
Maybe Rickon will reappear in a decade or so as a great warrior only to find everybody else is dead. Stannis has claimed his rightful throne...and everybody else is dead.

That's an ending I can live with!

Works for me.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

One of my friends actually cried.

My Response:
https://encrypted-tb..._CT4otPh1xqgPRA

Great times all around.

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 04 juin 2013 - 09:13 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

I just realized something delicious.

Cat dies "knowing" that Jon Snow is Ned's only surviving son, that's just... great on so many levels.

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 04 juin 2013 - 09:18 .

[franciscoamell]

DinoSteve wrote...

Can't wait till the TV series gets to A Dance with Dragons ending. The world will Rage/Quit.

If they can go through the RW, they can go through anything that happens in ADWD.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

franciscoamell wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Can't wait till the TV series gets to A Dance with Dragons ending. The world will Rage/Quit.

If they can go through the RW, they can go through anything that happens in ADWD.

I don't think so, I'd say if you were to do a poll the top two characters would be Jon and Tyrion.

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

I just realized something delicious.

Cat dies "knowing" that Jon Snow is Ned's only surviving son, that's just... great on so many levels.

Not really as Jon being a Bastard can't inherit. Never mind him being a member of the night watch.

Modifié par DinoSteve, 04 juin 2013 - 11:02 .

[goofyomnivore]

Meh I didn't really like the TV version of the Red Wedding. I actually thought this was one of the worst episodes of the season.

[GodWood]

Before watching this episode I made sure to appropriately lower my expectations. The Red Wedding is without a doubt one of the greatest chapters in the ASoIaF series and to adapt it to television is no easy task by any means. Still, with that in mind, HBO's portrayal of the Red Wedding overall was pretty disappointing.

My two three main issues would be:

- It was far too straight forward and efficient. The RW of the books was a chaotic affair, an orgy of blood, murder and chaos. The T.V adaption just had the Starks lay down and take it with not even the dire-wolf putting up a fight.

- The acting was too controlled. This isn't necessarily an issue with the actors but more what they had been directed to do. The RW of the books had Catelyn Stark complete loser her mind, clawing at her face, screaming nonsense and so on. The T.V portrayal just had her groan a bit then die.

- Just overall poor adaptation choices. Instead of having the band playing the Rains of Castamere, they had nothing; instead of having frantic camera shots constantly trying to keep up with the chaos they just had characters methodically killed in a matter of fact manner.

It wasn't all bad mind you, however this adaptation was nothing in comparison to the RW of the books and could have easily been done better.

EDIT: Numbers how do they work?

Modifié par GodWood, 05 juin 2013 - 06:41 .

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

I'm just getting too it in the book.