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[LPPrince]

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Didn't Jon cut half of the wildlings down by himself in the book before he legged it?

Modifié par DinoSteve, 04 juin 2013 - 12:56 .

[Some Geth]

GodWood wrote...

Before watching this episode I made sure to appropriately lower my expectations. The Red Wedding is without a doubt one of the greatest chapters in the ASoIaF series and to adapt it to television is no easy task by any means. Still, with that in mind, HBO's portrayal of the Red Wedding overall was pretty disappointing.

My two main issues would be:

- It was far too straight forward and efficient. The RW of the books was a chaotic affair, an orgy of blood, murder and chaos. The T.V adaption just had the Starks lay down and take it with not even the dire-wolf putting up a fight.

- The acting was too controlled. This isn't necessarily an issue with the actors but more what they had been directed to do. The RW of the books had Catelyn Stark complete loser her mind, clawing at her face, screaming nonsense and so on. The T.V portrayal just had her groan a bit then die.

- Just overall poor adaptation choices. Instead of having the band playing the Rains of Castamere, they had nothing; instead of having frantic camera shots constantly trying to keep up with the chaos they just had characters methodically killed in a matter of fact manner.

It wasn't all bad mind you, however this adaptation was nothing in comparison to the RW of the books and could have easily been done better.

Still the reactions of the non-readers should be proof enough that the scene accomplished exactly what it was supposed to accomplish.

As for my view? I hope Blackfish had a long, satisfying ******.

Modifié par Some Geth, 04 juin 2013 - 01:16 .

[RainyDayLover]

So... is anyone here still rooting for the Starks?

The wolves will come again.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Well Bran, Rikon, Arya and Sansa are still alive and kicking.

[MacNille]

This is my reaction after I read the book.
You can see when his heart breaks.

[MisterJB]

LPPrince wrote...

The Snow hasn't fallen just yet.

I think that if GRRM wants to keep his fame as a merciless writer, Jon has to be dead.
After Ned's death, no other POV character has bitten the dust for good. Well, except Quentyn but like Ned, he only appeared in one book before dying.

Modifié par MisterJB, 04 juin 2013 - 02:36 .

[TheRealJayDee]

Some Geth wrote...

Hell, even Maisie Williams (Arya Stark) has a reaction video to this episode. 

Haha, that's cute!

[Loaderini]

George Martin is a GOD and I want to have his children.
Also, I have newfound respect for Casey Hudson.

Modifié par Loaderini, 04 juin 2013 - 02:38 .

[LPPrince]

Loaderini wrote...

George Martin is a GOD and I want to have his children.

Also, I have newfound respect for Casey Hudson.

To the first sentence, understandable.

To the second, LOLWUT

[Loaderini]

LPPrince wrote...

Loaderini wrote...

George Martin is a GOD and I want to have his children.

Also, I have newfound respect for Casey Hudson.

To the first sentence, understandable.

To the second, LOLWUT

The shock I endured from ME3 is now only second in line, since Martin's imagination is currently raping my brain. So, I can once again count Hudson as a normal human being and have respect for him again

[LPPrince]

Loaderini wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Loaderini wrote...

George Martin is a GOD and I want to have his children.

Also, I have newfound respect for Casey Hudson.

To the first sentence, understandable.

To the second, LOLWUT

The shock I endured from ME3 is now only second in line, since Martin's imagination is currently raping my brain. So, I can once again count Hudson as a normal human being and have respect for him again

Oh. I thought we we going to have to discuss how Hudson killed off a character in the worst possible way while Martin did it wondrously. 

[LPPrince]

simfamSP wrote...

Fireblader70 wrote...

What a great adaptation of the books! Horrific! Gory! Tragic!

With the unnecessary addition of the brutal stabbing of an unborn child, which wasn't even in the books at all. That's too much, I'm sorry. Has no relevance to the plot and is only there for the shock factor.

Meh. I found it quite fitting to the universe. Or didn't the Goldcloaks kill every bastard in KL?

Killing babies is okay, its the killing of an UNborn baby that has some people going, "naaah"

[Cyberfrog81]

It fit perfectly.
The Lannisters made sure Robb had no heir in the book as well.

My minor issue with the RW... it needed something like an Umber fighting back. It felt like those loyal to Robb (with the exception of Catelyn, obviously) just sort of let themselves be killed. Even unarmed, some of them would be extremely dangerous. Take someone's weapon, slash open some Freys and Boltons, and THEN die.

[TobiTobsen]

Cyberfrog81 wrote...

It fit perfectly.
The Lannisters made sure Robb had no heir in the book as well.

My minor issue with the RW... it needed something like an Umber fighting back. It felt like those loyal to Robb (with the exception of Catelyn, obviously) just sort of let themselves be killed. Even unarmed, some of them would be extremely dangerous. Take someone's weapon, slash open some Freys and Boltons, and THEN die.

That's what bugged me too. That and the fact that we didn't knew a single Northman at the wedding. In the books the Freys and Boltons are culling half the heirs of the Northern Houses.

How are they going to implement the "The North Remembers" Storyline? "You remember the Red Wedding? The extra in the last row, second from right, was my son!  Prepare to feel my wrath!"

[LPPrince]

It'll probably focus on the character everyone knew "Robb", and that he was a Stark, the family everyone knows.

Introducing too many secondary characters dilutes the show.

[TobiTobsen]

LPPrince wrote...

It'll probably focus on the character everyone knew "Robb", and that he was a Stark, the family everyone knows.

Introducing too many secondary characters dilutes the show.

As long as I get my pies I wont complain

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 04 juin 2013 - 04:33 .

[Nerevar-as]

MisterJB wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

The Snow hasn't fallen just yet.

I think that if GRRM wants to keep his fame as a merciless writer, Jon has to be dead.
After Ned's death, no other POV character has bitten the dust for good. Well, except Quentyn but like Ned, he only appeared in one book before dying.

From the structure of the books, he still needs Jon alive. Either that, or all the Wildings plots were filler. Fun thing is, I don´t find Martin that unpredictable. Ned biting it was clear very early on GoT. Didn´t guess Robb before the foreshadowing was heavy, but as someone told me, he was the only non POV significant Stark. That just couldn´t end well.

On the other side, I expected Sansa to be dead by now, as she lost her wolf the first, but she´s still around. Littlefinger´s reaction when he finds out she´s not the Stark heir (I think males take preference over age) should be something to see.

There´s also that he was planning a timeskip and later the story didn´t develop in a way that allowed it, so probably very young characters were going to be more significant than they currently are. Rickon felt like a little psycho for instance. But now I doubt he´ll do anything significant by himself.

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 04 juin 2013 - 05:04 .

[CronoDragoon]

With the addition of the Talisa death, the scene has an extra later of despair that the book scene did not. In this episode, the most violent and surprised reactions come from the Talisa death, then people settle down, still shocked but waiting to see the aftermath.

Then Robb is killed, once again throwing their emotions into turmoil. I have no doubt that some people thought the worst was over after Talisa, thinking that the scene had reached its tragedy threshold. This probably happens again to a lesser extent after Robb, when Catelyn is catatonic. There's just enough time spent on Catelyn's defeated figure that it seems the episode is wrapping up. Then bam, slit throat.

I felt the scene was a good microcosm for the series, and I think it fits well with why Martin says Robb had to die. After Ned's death, it was too expected for Robb to rise up and avenge his father. Gritty, subversive realism could not allow it. Similarly, within this scene, the expected thing would be for Talisa to die, and Robb and Catelyn taken hostage. Nope.

After Ned's death in the books, I actually did not feel like anyone could die. I saw his death as the catalyst for many future conflicts, and one of those definitely involved Robb taking up the family name to rep the North. When Robb and Cat died I was legitimately frustrated, thinking that it was so much wasted potential, and that Martin simply gloried in killing protagonists.

Then, when I thought I had Ice and Fire figured out yet again, I only had to wait a hundred pages or so to be shocked again. It will be interesting to see how the TV viewers will process this, since viewers will have to wait over a year instead of 100 pages like I did.

[LPPrince]

GRRM knows what he's doing, thats for sure. Or did, if you want to argue that.

[Cainhurst Crow]

RainyDayLover wrote...

So... is anyone here still rooting for the Starks?

The wolves will come again.

I'm a stark fan. I just have an understanding that in this setting, anyone who tries to change things is in for a painful, bumpy, and all around horrible time.